I'd like to raise my hand for that position.

the position of supportive spouse is already filled, you're welcome to be one of my clients :D

Yes, my vote is for unpaid interns doing it for “experience”.

But it was the boss's firm that got the commission to the project. Without it, you are just another dreamer doing your imaginary projects on your sketch pad or rendering. So I say, the marketing team is the true force to be recognized.

A good marketing team is important to creating a great proposal. Having good work and team bios to put into that proposal is crucial though. Having both is how you get new work but it all starts and ends with the experience your firm brings to the project.

The bosses made the decision to hire me after seeing what I’m capable of and they decided to give me the competition or project to run, so kudos for that, for the rest Jay you’re way off...the offices I helped launch didn’t even have marketing departments.

Jay's destined to be another xenakis, licking the scrotum of his bosses all the while complaining that nobody sees his true potential.

just fk off sneakypete. Already know you are a dick the first time I saw your reply. That bad mouth is probably all you have. I bet everything is dik sucking in your view because you sucked too many.

Don't kink shame.

Claiming that an architecture firm makes it big without the effort of the architects who do the work to deliver the architecture.....is an interesting position

I've been thinking a "post your work" thread would be fun but I worry it might give up more anonymity than some posters here are willing to give.

I'd love to share my work, but it would deffo indicate who I am, and I don't feel comfortable with that.

I'd share my work. I have nothing to hide.

I've never worked in a firm that had a dedicated 'marketing team'. One firm I worked at had a graphic designer. Other than that it was all of the staff pitching in to create proposals.

Some mid-sized commercial practices have a couple of full time marketing staff who also work on business development.

Yup, same as Pete, posting my work would easily give up my anonymity, so that’s a no for me unfortunately.

Randomised. Since you sound like you think you are good with design and stuff. Have you thought about opening up your own shop. Launching your own career instead of your bosses. If I have competition winning project portfolio. I probably would. If not, what is preventing you from doing so. Serious question. Just random spitballing. No right or wrong answer.

rando - I must not be in the know but short of some really high profile buildings I wouldn't be able to identify the firm, let alone the architect of most buildings.

But the internet can Chad ;-)

True. Who would be that much of a creepy looser to spend the time to do that though?  :)

Jay, I can’t afford to open up my own shop (just yet), don’t have the money (the pitfall of living in a social democracy where any poor schmuck can afford to study architecture), I don't have the side-job in academia either or a wealthy family member that needs a new house (and a holiday home or two). I am only now starting to have a little more time on my hands since my 4yr old started going to kindergarten recently and after school care has (re)openend finally! So, I am going to invest some time in setting up some research project and apply for funding (or a PhD) and try my hand at some small projects / commissions on the side, so fingers crossed!

I hope this works out for you Rando! Sounds rather cool!

Thanks Chad, me too!

Ugh, have you worked with Arup on a project before? Sure, they do good work, but I feel like you have to beg it out of them. Maybe I'm just not getting their best and brightest.

My experience with Arup is that they are eager to take on whatever challenges we would come up with, seismic design in San Francisco can be daunting at best

Arup is a bigger name than most architecture offices...

They are so big that my little insignificant self have never heard of them. ;)

Had to google her so that's a good one!

I see a pattern emerging...

I ran into this one back in grad-school. I was writing a case study on Kahn diagrids and early skyscraper examples and was properly re-directed towards Tyng by my Advisor.