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pdxbride&groom

Lately I’ve been drawing inspiration from my backyard but the dang corner posts keep getting in my way. I decided to blow out a large section of useless, structurally irrelevant wall (He he) and “let in the light” year round. Only problem is now I’m obsessed with post-less 90 degree glass corner windows. My problem is the glass companies are making this process more difficult than it needs to be. FLW nature quotes are the only thing keeping my persistence on this project. Any thoughts?

 
Jun 25, 20 8:17 pm
Formerlyunknown

What do you mean by "the glass companies are making this process more difficult than it needs to be"?  There are any number of window and curtainwall manufacturers that offer various postless corner windows and systems. Some postless options in some locations/climates will require energy code variances. Talk to some reps.  

Jun 25, 20 9:03 pm  · 
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pdxbride&groom

Yes, the options are limited and pricey but there are a few. It’s the contractors/framers that are having to employ other experts like glazers because the glass companies act like it’s so easy to install and adhere. I’m still a bit fuzzy on the proper permits and number of technical panes the window should have because I was under the impression it should be at tempered, weatherproof, able to withstand high wind etc. So is it just one extra thick piece of glass? Either way apparently it comes in 2 pieces that have to be magically joined together by a glazer So how can they guarentee their work? When this thing leaks, do I call the contractor, the glass company or the glazer? Haha not funny but haha.

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Almosthip

Check out The Schroder house .....awesome corner windows that open.


Jun 26, 20 11:08 am  · 
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Almosthip

Open says me

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You're talking about a butt-glazed corner, right? Like this?

Not a good detail, IMO.


Jun 26, 20 12:21 pm  · 
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I personally prefer to use a smaller mullion with structural silicone sealant rather than the above detail.

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gwharton

That can work, but it's expensive and very leak-prone if not installed perfectly.

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That's a nice way of saying it will leak.

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Non Sequitur

Ya'll looking at this the wrong way... just get a corner-less folding window system/track. Sure, there will be a mullion at the corner but then just unlock the window and BANG, get those panels tucked away and out of your way.

Nanawall does this.  I was looking into this same situation for a residential project on the east-coast.  


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Get outa' here with your expensive Canadian ideas!

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Non Sequitur

Hey, so for once I comment on an architectural topic with a architectural (hence relevant) point and I get turned down.

This aggression will not stand, man - This aggression will not stand, man  The Dude

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Bloopox

A door system is a good idea - but in that case why go with a nanawall system that's still got a post except when folded out of the way? There are some European postless glass corner doors - even some double and triple glazed ones. More expensive even than an "expensive Canadian idea", I suppose.

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pdxbride&groom

Right, so did I mention this is for my home living room 2 stories high? So for umm, my own safety reasons I think I will pass on the nano. Also, it will be next to a sliding glass door so I could just go outside to the patio. But during Winter I want the view which happens to be at a 90 degree corner of an overhang. If I’m getting pushback on a non moveable part window, I’m guessing the nano would be considered “specialty”. I don’t think I could afford the grease or hinge screw on that thing.

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JLC-1

this is the smallest we have been able to get from windows companies, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think FLLW didn't use insulated glass, which would bring the detail to a single silicon bead inside and out.


Jun 26, 20 2:42 pm  · 
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Rick Joy also used single pane glass on some of his all-glass installations, I believe. I can't think of any application between interior and exterior where single pane is appropriate these days.

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SneakyPete

Moderate climate and a building with only passive thermal and moisture controls?

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pdxbride&groom

Wow, I appreciate the response to my wine infused rant. Yeah, postless, seamless window fusion... I believe the term is “mitered” but I think the glass glazing has to be done on site rather than ahead of time. Either way I refuse to let little details derail my project. Not many people want to touch this sort of thing.



Jun 26, 20 3:28 pm  · 
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JLC-1

conveniently avoided to show the glass seal

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pdxbride&groom

I guess I am about to learn if the “butt glaze” applies here because I was naive to think you would just take two 45 degree angles and heat them to adhere, using the framework as main supports. Or pre mold the glass so that it’s one solid piece at 90 degrees then custom cut the glass sides to fit the opening. I don’t want to concede my (Frank’s) idea of a postless corner but if the windows are big enough maybe it won’t be as noticeable that I went the cheaper easier route? 

Jun 26, 20 3:57 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Gorilla Glue will do just fine.

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pdxbride&groom
archanonymous

that's because they were mostly made up or omitted. Pretty much any FLW building tour will include an anecdote about how bad the project a) used to leak b) still leaks or c) probably will leak in the future, again.

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FLW was/is not immune ... there are only two types of windows in architecture: 1) windows that leak, and 2) windows that don't leak yet.

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archanonymous

Totally! Also applicable to roofs (see my comment in "Types of Roofs" thread like 4 days ago.

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pdxbride&groom

haha, so you’re saying just design a glass irrigation system to compliment the window and water my plants below?! Genius.

Jun 26, 20 4:41 pm  · 
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SneakyPete

Overhanging roof eaves that are 10 feet deep also help.

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x-jla

“plant vines”

Jun 26, 20 5:31 pm  · 
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proto

hire a professional & be prepared to pay for custom design & installation -- what you want to do is in "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" territory {this is not meant to be insulting, just frank...}

there are companies that can handle this

they'll even design the structure that needs to support this glass system top & bottom...the glass isn't going to hold up the roof or resist lateral forces

Jun 26, 20 5:35 pm  · 
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threadkilla

you could, you know... copy directly from FLW

Jun 26, 20 5:50 pm  · 
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pdxbride&groom

well if I’m going to borrow, maybe I should just remove the whole problem corner and make it inverted so that I’m sure to get closer to that ten foot eave overhang 

Jun 26, 20 6:19 pm  · 
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randomised


There I fixed it for you, a simple glass curtain wall corner!

Source: Neutelings Riedijk Architecten, MAS Museum in Antwerp

Jun 27, 20 6:31 am  · 
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OP I want to thank you for having all these architects do my research!


Jun 27, 20 8:08 am  · 
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Volunteer

Put the support column outside. You will never have to worry about a cantilever failing. 

Jun 28, 20 9:01 pm  · 
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