flat roof...the only problem with Rhinebeck is you have to go the Hospital in Sharon CT if you get ill. If your lucky you will find a Doctor there let alone a ventilator. I have been there, they over charged me by $500.00 Dollars and my insurance company caught up with them some 18 months later.

You should be working on a cure for type 1 diabetes.

Type 1 diabetes is some bullshit, man. My cousin has it and when I found out how they "got" it I was floored.

I have it too. Damn auto immune disorder.

fine. I hear ya. Hold my beer while I toss out all my current cancer work and make room for this newfangled disease.

I feel you.

if you need more tin foil, I have a costco-sized roll here. I don't need any.

Ok, because its never been done before right...notice how China and Russia are mostly unscathed...I’m not saying it was “man made”, or at least intentionally so, but they are definitely going to capitalize on it.

oh, the protests are going to come back for sure, after this subsides.

Yes it's curious that the two countries with the most effective worldwide propaganda outfits and the least press freedom have a curiously low incidence of disease. But not for the reason you're stating.

if you don't test for the virus you can't see it

true dat, here i am !

jla-x, you are a most notable coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality

Chad, I'm no fan of jla-x, but there's no need for the ad hominem.

Easy Chad, I don’t like you either soy boy. Anyone see the news that China hid asymptotic cases?

last I checked asymptotes don't cause any illness.

+1 for geometry humor

It's a quote from All's Well That Ends Well. The irony is lost on jla-x.

this guy ping-pongs all over the place; China weaponized it, China is responsible, to notice how Russia and China are "unscathed". I mean really, "soy boy", next it'll be "pizza gate-boy". Which is it; totalitarian state, known manipulators of "facts", or super-immunized?

Hence my Shakespearean insult regarding his truthfulness and dependability.

I just find it strange that the same crowd that bashes trump at every chance (often rightfully so) has a problem bashing the Chinese regime who clearly are far worse abusers of human rights and clearly more culpable in this particular situation. I’m not sure if your afraid to criticize those who look a little different (that’s racist imo) or that you are rooting for the success of communism?

EA, ya. Check the news. They admitted it. the asymptotic cases are silent spreaders. They make this way harder to contain.

Well the thing is jla-x, I have no problem bashing the Chinese regime. I have a problem with being a racist runt like Trump when he attempts to put ALL the blame on China. Trump's response to this pandemic is all about avoiding responsibility and trying to make himself look good.

Shhh. If you notice the smart people like Dr Birx and Fauci are letting him think he’s doing good. If we antagonize his feeble ego rn he may stop listening to the experts

Seriously. I think Cuomo is doing same.

As for racism, I don’t see the Chinese govt and Chinese people as the same thing. That’s an odd line of thought. I guess I can understand that really stupid peklle May take it out on some Chinese Americans
guy living in Florida,

But that’s really stupid. I don’t understand how they arrive at that connection.

I also don’t recall West Nile virus causing racism towards that region. I think it’s very important to not muddy the origins of these things because they tend to come from certain conditions that we need to raise awareness about. Bush meat is not morally wrong, but certainly dangerous. Many diseases originated in areas where humans and animals are in close contact. Exotic animals like that pangolin thing carry novel viruses that we otherwise would not be exposed to unless we capture them and sell them in open markets. It’s not racism to point that truth out. It’s a fact. I think China has a beautiful and fascinating culinary culture. There are aspects of it that pose a health risk. Eating Fugu in Japan is an obvious dangerous practice to the person eating it. That’s not racist to point out. They know this. Happens wet markets pose a greater danger to the world. Aside from viruses, their appetite for exotic animals has led to poaching all over the world.

Chad, lol ... apparently the reference was lost on me too. 

jla-x, asymptomatic (note that the first line is "not to be confused with asymptotic")

hey now... some of us are enjoying the fires.

The most popular indoor sport: bitchensnarken (from the original Prussian)

gratuitous correction to your joke: german and prussian are totally unrelated languages. but yeah the general malaise is definitely bringing out more nastiness and less thoughtful commentary than usual.

^ How is that possible, midlander? ;o)

And you bring way more intellect to my lame joke than it deserves.  I randomly chose Prussia, and had to Google it to learn it was once a German state.

Link or GTFO.

Oh fuck off.

v This goes ^ here

Oh fuck off.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/university-of-california-system-tells-students-staff-dont-say-chinese-virus

"Led by the incomparable Ben Shapiro, The Daily Wire is a hard-hitting, irreverent news and commentary site for a new generation of conservatives." 

Bless your heart.

Oh fuck off.

they're teaching their students the international standard set by the wor ld health organization in the same way they teach math and physics because they aren't uneducated rubes.

^head nodding vigorously

Last one, I promise.

Sneaky wins the internet again today. You all better step up your game.

For those of you getting bothered by the document from the University of California, I've highlighted the important parts for you to focus on...

A++ sneaky

LMAO @ "Council of Chief Diversity Officers"

there is no 'disciplinary action' in that document, and it's not a law. Rick why are you trying to censor the council of diversity officers?!?

pssst ... SneakyPete. ^ this is a good one to run your magic on.

OK, I lied about my promise.

Holy shit... there's an entire council of diversity officers... when is that convention...

Please try to be as clear as possible in online conversations. Don't assume that broad, sweeping statements will be fully understood.

That's perfect irony coming from you.

Hey you, be inclusive and remember that everyone has different circumstances! Continue to treat everyone with respect, both in their presence and in their absence. Do not resort or revert to unkind discussions about people, individuals or groups who may not be in your immediate social circle.

I'll keep that in mind if you ever start making the rules.

Okay SP, just remember to practice self-care! Recognize your own stress, manage yourself before managing others, and make time for your physical and emotional needs.

oh dear petey, I'm over here.

and i am here ^, there >, and everywhere v

!!!

It will. Think about all the profit your private medical sector will make.

Let me ask you, in Italy and Spain don’t you think this is draining their public health care system same way? There is nothing such free. Private or public, both have expenses derived from an economy. Both can become bankrupt.

because the US's system is a great benchmark to compare others too... right?

Who is the benchmark?

Don't know, but your name is certainly not in the running.

The "Nothing is free" point that halfwit libertarian types love to throw around is so dumb. No one is saying things are free, so saying they aren't like it's some kind of checkmate just shows how little you comprehend the society we're trying to build.

lmao

The “nothing is free” point acknowledges that even a communist country relies on goods and capital. A poor communist country will have a poor health care infrastructure. Even commies have bills

Again, no one is disputing that.

The quality of health care in the US is high. The insurance bs sucks.

What good is the quality to the person who can't afford it because of the insurance bs?

Right, but the hospitals aren’t turning people away. I’m guessing the government is going to have to negotiate some bill to pay this off.

How many people aren't going to the hospital because they don't think they can afford the healthcare for a myriad of reasons; under insured, high deductible, just lost their job and also their insurance, no insurance regardless of employment status, etc?

I dont think anyone i avoiding the doctors and hospitals at a time like this. In my years of experience taking family to various ERs around town, there are at least 4 out of 10 people that do not have any insurance but come to the ER even for trivial shit. I dont think not having insurance stops them from coming in.

That said, the fractured insurance/hospital system is definitely one of the reasons, I think that things are slow in places like New York. Each hospital has various hoops to jump through and different systems to address, which is a nightmare. The for-profit healthcare system we have right now has all but ensured that we dont have the proper system at a time like this.

"I’m guessing the government is going to have to negotiate some bill to pay this off." 

Or they'll just cut pay & benefits to maintain profitability.

Ya. The insurance system sucks. We do have very good hospitals and research institutions. Need to create a global response system after this. A NATO to fight pandemic

Not just track them, but a global network to quickly extinguish the next one.

Agreed that healthcare is in a dire state right now and affordability is as big an issue as housing, but it's hilarious (scary actually) that anyone thinks government managed healthcare is the answer... People who work for the government mostly don't care about anything except their retirement. Want hospitals to be open 9-5, m- fri, give em to the government. And to make it more complicated, the government is the epicenter of redundancy and bifurcation... think, CIA, NSA, FBI, Secret Service, HSA, DEA, ATF, etc... etc... etc.. the world you're dreaming of is utopia and the government is the wrong entity to even try it.

I really don't care who runs hospitals, the problem is the profit motive. If you can find someone who will run unprofitable but necessary services other than the government, please let me know.

[so this is the 'I am an architect and I have opnions thread'?]

Don't forget lawyers. There ought to be a law, if you check-in to a hospital you can't sue. It's just the risk you take to have your life saved.

The local VA hospital bought a 500k MRI machine to help with lung scans and left it out in the rain last week under a tarp. Its ruined. 2 of the head nurses that deal with coordination of staffing and resources have gone on 3 week vacations because they requested it earlier and are entitled to their time off. They are in fact stealing supplies but none of them can be fired. Theres your
government run healthcare.

wurdan, marines and seals work for the government. the government put a man on the moon. the internet was created in large part by the government.

our hospitals are gov institutions and are nothing like wurdan describes.

You do realize that you can’t have metal near an MRI?

^you do realize who you're asking that question to?

You do realize that only applies to magnetic materials, right? And very, very few implant grade materials are magnetic.

Saying the government is the best option for healthcare is saying that you want Trump to be in charge of your healthcare... cause he would be. is that really what you want?

"People who work for the government mostly don't care about anything except their retirement."

this is a lazy generalization that i was going to reply to but it's too dumb. anecdotes aren't arguments.

You're square

truth

to POWER!

of 2.

Get it?

Got it. Good 1!

you guys can do a lot for the cost of most of your military expenses. What's your point? M'urica needs shiny new murder toys to keep the Queen from invading.

i don't think we're worried about the queen invading anymore. the duke and duchess of sussex live in LA now.

My point is that their job is to defend the nation. That’s what we pay tax for. They use to money foolishly. It’s one thing to say “we didn’t see this coming”. It’s another to see it coming (which every half wit always knew was a possibility) and do nothing to prepare.

I think it's cute you think your military spending in done "to defend the nation".

I’m shocked that there wasn’t some national protocol to quickly react to this. Should have stopped travel from China the first hint we got of a new virus. There needs to be some kind of automated system that grounds flights instantly in the future. Those commie fucks knew about this for a while, covered it up, lied about the extent, whacked doctors, and let 5 million People from Wuhan travel around the world. This should show that world that communist regime’s cannot be trusted. The US and EU was not prepared for this. Fortunately, we seem to be making some progress. Now I seriously worry for the third world where they completely lack a healthcare infrastructure...

After this is over, US needs to completely cut China off from our economy imo. We need to make stuff here again. Especially essentials like medical supplies, drugs, etc. Rant over

Get ready for everything previously made in China to coast 5x the current price then. It's a global economy.

jla-x - there was a protocol in the United States. The pandemic response team was in charge of it. Trump disbanded it.

jla -x - our moron government knew about the virus and what was actually happening in China since November 2019. Our government lied about it, covered it up, and downplayed the threat for political gain.

Mark your calendars, I agree with jla today.

I don’t doubt it.

As for cost...good. Then maybe we’ll slow over consumerism and the environmental degradation that goes along with it. China and the US together have created an Economic system based on cheap goods, throw away shit...hopefully planned obsolescence will go away with the increased price points.

we need an updated, decentralized, digitized 21 century industrial revolution imo. Been saying this for years and years.

Those murder toys are not for keeping others from invading but to do the invading...

For once I agree with jla too. This kind of over-reliance on China is dangerous

the irony or the humor, Capitalism needs a Communist Regime to run factories for our lust as consumers...kind of like Mexico needs to traffic the drugs to us....

to JLA-x points, apparently Tom Cotton had an opinion on this in late January and Bush even had an opinion in 2005...nevermind Bill Gates in 2015...see links