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Where do architects hang out online?

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Hello!

I was wondering lately where do architects hang out online? I see so many communities for developers (dev.to, indiehackers.com), for artists (behance, deviantart), writers (medium, nanowrimo forums). But architects seem to be a bit left out, with only Archinect out there.

I have also been asking myself why do architects seem reluctant to share knowledge? Is it for lack of a cool and exciting community? Tools? We seem to be so competitive, only showing off our work but really not helping each other out...

Would be cool to know what other architects/students think about this!

Greetings from Beijing!

Daniel

 
Jun 18, 18 10:47 pm

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The methadone clinic.

Jun 18, 18 11:04 pm
Le Courvoisier
In before the Richard WC Balkins “I’m gonna type 1000 words even though I know nothing about the topic” response.
Jun 18, 18 11:04 pm
joseffischer

Ok, that made me laugh this morning.

Threesleeve

When he did get here he only typed 750 words. He's slowing down in his old age.

Koww

Xvideos

Jun 18, 18 11:10 pm

haha that says a lot about the quality of the discussion in the most active online forum for architects I could find...

kinda sad...

Jun 18, 18 11:18 pm
Non Sequitur

why is it sad?

no serious answers for a genuine question.

JLC-1

can you bullet point your questions? the topic is very wide and wild - truth is never sad, it only has no solution. on "sharing" knowledge; I have no issue sharing even autocad drawings with people I know and value, but on the internet? you could be a deep dark black hole and nobody would know...

Twitter

Jun 18, 18 11:51 pm
citizen

Save the judgment for another day or two, Daniel.  

"Kinda sad" might also be applied to someone judging an entire group for not instantly springing into action at a query posted just hours before.  Give people a chance to respond.

Jun 19, 18 12:35 am

true. too abrupt from my part. sorry guys.

citizen

No sweat. I admit that I'm curious to hear, too...

what about you?? mostly Archinect?

joseffischer

kinda sad does capture what a lot of people have to say about architecture

citizen

^Daniel: yes, mostly. Not much on social media, and I feel like half my life (or more) is spent in front of a screen already. I'm trying to do less of that and more of other things (reading, exercising, traveling, music, friends in real time, etc).

randomised

I dunno, hanging out with architects is tiresome and boring most of the time. We see architects all day at work, don't think many of us have the need, energy or will power to hang out online with more of them after seeing their ugly mugs for 10 hrs a day already...All we talk about is our work and if we discuss someone else's work it's 99% of the time in a negative manner, who needs all that? So for me it's only archinect at the moment, gave up my Disqus account because of Godwin's law...

Jun 19, 18 3:39 am

I get your point. I also have this impression that we are really too full of ourselves and not really approachable. There is 100% will to show off our work and zero will to share knowledge and support each other. It can be a very toxic community (look at Dezeen and Archdaily comments, for example).

But I am wondering, why? Don't you feel the need to learn more? Or to share your knowledge and not only your work?

I wonder what would it take for architects to be more like devs in that sense... or is it just impossible?

And also, wondering if the reason for that is the lack of a fresh, healthy, engaging  platform for that kind of interaction....


Jun 19, 18 3:56 am
randomised

I don't think it's the lack of such a platform that's the issue, our body of knowledge is our livelihood and just sharing that online or giving it away for free is what a lot of people don't want to do.

They are often also the kind of questions that clients usually should pay for and when people want such advise for free it never ends well, just look at the comments.

And for students, they often ask questions they really should work out themselves, which are part of the learning process of being a student, so when they want shortcuts and are being lazy and entitled that also doesn't end well. The problem is that these encounters are usually not engaging, people have a deadline and a pertinent question they forgot to address earlier in the process and want immediate answers and will leave as soon as they get what they need, no interaction at all.

Also people will just steal or use others' ideas, ask for people to share their portfolio online to "see examples" or something but don't show what they did themselves or what they did with the given advise.

When people do ask for help or advise and post their own work along with that, they usually get good feedback, so it's not that toxic either. It's give and take, you get out of it what you put into it.

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RickB-Astoria

What kind of devs are you talking about? Are you talking about software/web devs or real estate devs because the latter do not really do this kind of stuff as they tend to be offline or otherwise not in any way or form with talking about anything they are doing on an online forum. 

Software/Web Developers will often involve comprehensive online presence but the truth is these guys (often companies) are venture capitalized and have customer relations and developer relations (when establishing a platform for third-party software/web developers and the relationship involved). The reason that is used is that web forums tend to be better tools to facilitate discussions such as submission of listing code snippets and thoughtful inquiry and feedback because doing so over the phone doesn't work well. The ability to edit before posting and even viewing the submission before posting up online. On some cases, there is the involvement of instant messaging technology to discuss non-technical level, shoot the breeze kind of stuff and sharing ideas on a less technical level. 

There are various tools to facilitate the customer and developer relations. This is what technology field utilizes more than in person or over the phone communication. 

I don't think this is how traditional architecture field works. The field predated computing and for the most part, this field isn't technology oriented. Technology is used as a tool but technology isn't what "building" architecture is about. It's about spatial-function relationship & form and how space is defined & experienced through forming elements. 

There is a different culture and in my experience, it is substantially different. What you describe or imply seems to describe software/web & information technology developers.

If you replace everything you say about architects with "developers" or "writers" or "photographers" you could use the same arguments. Except these groups are constantly sharing knowledge and helping each other out online. Just look at dev communities like http://dev.to or http://indiehackers.com or the whole open source movement; or look at Medium and the amount of high-quality articles published for free. Look at Youtube and the huge amount of high quality supporting material for so many creative fields.

The notion that sharing knowledge would work against you and that's why you should isolate yourself on your castle and protect your assets feels wrong. You can share all you know, people can try to copy it, but no one will ever be you. That is your leverage. And sharing knowledge would only push the field forward, while isolating ourselves just makes the whole discourse fragmented. We are all in this together and should support each other...

And saying that students who ask for help are lazy, sorry but that is not true. Guidance and advice can be quite empowering for students. Otherwise all they are seeing is a bunch of selfish professionals who are just unhappy about the fact that they will soon have extra competition. Instead, they should feel excited and embraced by a vibrant and accepting community.

But I also see how this might sound very naive and idealistic. But I truly believe we would be better off if we got together and helped each other out.

There's got to be more people out there who also think so?


Jun 19, 18 6:11 am
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RickB-Astoria

Hello Daniel, 

I've been in the software development field since the 1980s. This field is a very different culture. The software field has two broad camps. Proprietary and non-proprietary. Open-source falls into the latter category in general. Lets remember the open-source software stems out of the culture of open hardware / hardware hacking (I'm not talking about cracking BBSs, networks, etc.). I'm talking about the culture of the 1970s electronics "hacking". Bear in mind that many of the open source software developers are either working in jobs not related to software development (but still often involved in IT) such as network administrators, database administrators, etc. Those whose jobs and business are on the line when people pirate or otherwise infringes on their copyrights will often have issues with open source. 

When your work is your life line because it is your work that earns you the income that you need to pay rent, buy food, and anything else in life, you'd be apprehensive about giving that away. I've done stuff in open source and proprietary. I don't give away the golden goose in such an FOSS basis. I may give some stuff that isn't so much a big investment of my time. If it is something you did over the weekend on your time off with minimal effort, you might give that away but if it is something you spent 40 to 80+ hours a week for a year or more, you'd might have a problem with "FOSS" open source. You'll find there are two general polar views around open source and many opinions between the polar view points. 

As a software business, I wouldn't give away stuff in open source license. For web based software or video game development, my source is very much visible but the license for others to use of proprietary code in source would not permit unlawful reuse of code. Web programming is programming, at least when you get into things like javascript, webGL, etc. However, mere individual language syntax is a non-copyrightable matter. The composition of the code substantively as a whole piece of work is. 

When it comes to Architecture, your bread and butter is designing buildings. I have heard of so called "open source architecture" (Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_architecture ), I think it is more or less theory than significantly practiced but it is an interesting possibility. Some other links: Open Architecture License ( https://github.com/dortheimer/open-architecture ), Wikihouse ( https://wikihouse.cc/ ), Paperhouse ( http://paperhouses.co/ or http://paperhouses.co/houses/ [examples] ), etc. It seems to be a bit academic because those doing this will probably not have to worry about income. Are they getting a stable income somewhere without having to design building so they can do it for free or give it away. I'm curious how it works from a financial/business point of view.

Formerlyunknown

I read "I've been in the software development field since the 1980s" and can't get any further. You've discredited the whole thing right there, no matter what the rest of it says. Your were EIGHT YEARS OLD when the 1980s ended. This is the same as if all of us put architecture experience dating back to elementary school on our resumes because we built tree houses and played with blocks and legos: we could list it, but then it would discredit everything else on the resume, and everything else we say or do from then on. You weren't in any industry in the 80s or the 90s. You didn't even have a GED until 2000-something.

eastcoast

After beginning my architecture journey years ago, I too felt similar in school. In the education side of it people had no problem interrupting my own work to ask questions or get advice on their work but couldn't bother to do the same if I too had a question or wanted advice. I stopped asking simply because people began to claim bits of my projects that they had given me advice on even it was something that I had suggested in the first place. I too searched for a place online with architects that were willingly giving advice (on how things work and the professional world of architecture. not design) that I obviously would have no idea about otherwise and couldn't already find on my own. Especially when it referenced the gap between architecture education and architecture practice and I don't know anyone else who can be of help to me. (Probably one of my least favorable decisions as I feel there's about 10 people on this forum that comment and post regularly yet are the most unhelpful and unkind for no reason) I'm still searching for my own answers as you are but as I have now, I think it stems early on in education. People seem to get this approach to their work in such a personal way that it becomes too personal. With the flexibility of grading (in education) two people could present the exact same project and get two different grades. And in the professional setting this could be in the form of a veteran architect with an intern architect who have the same idea but its only deemed valid from a veteran. I think it then becomes a sort of leverage for themselves. When someone isn't confident in their own abilities they are more limiting to the information they share. Its like giving one good idea away is all they have to offer who knows when or if they will come up with something else. Just confidence, ability, and power in my opinion. People who lack power will do anything they can to make it look as if they do have power. Had I known that this forum was so unaccepting of architecture students I probably wouldn't have joined. *Cue all the people telling me to leave. I think what you are talking about is a conversation that architects just don't want to have and feel entitled not to have. Its a chain of treatment that seems to go down the line.

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RickB-Astoria

Haven't you heard that there isn't a minimum wage to work or be in the business of software development. I was doing freelance software development and video games. I was using computers and learning to do computer programming when I was 4 to 5 years of age. Then started doing more programming work since that time. At first, I was doing freelance software & video game development that involved direct sales transactions and third party publishers. You were playing legos and blocks but that's not the same as creating a video game or a software tool, selling copies for $4.99 to $19.99 a copy or royalties from publishers under an agreement between freelance developer (me) and the publisher via a software distribution agreement with a royalty percentage for sales by the publishers. 

The primary publishers for getting started in those days were the publishers like Softdisk publishing and others. You were just playing toys. You are going on the assumption that you can only begin to work or do things professionally or earn career experience before you are 18 years old. That's archaic nonsense. You list it if you were being paid either as an employee or as a business. I'm not talking about a lemonade stand selling lemonade for 25 cents on a weekend. I'm talking about taking in royalties for software sales. I'm talking about direct orders paid via secured checks or money order payments or cash payments. As for the banking, it was a little more complicated than it is now. Nonetheless, it was a business it it's own right. 

When you can spend a few hours here and there per day and a little more on weekends, there wasn't a problem of developing software over a few a couple months and then selling them after testing to make sure it is working according to how it is suppose to by design. Just because I got a GED later doesn't mean anything. You didn't have to have a high school diploma or GED to start in this field. You started by making software, video games, etc.

Formerlyunknown

I've seen this show already, here and on other forums. Once anybody asks you how many you sold, whether it added up to any real income, where's the money now, etc. the hemming and hawing begins, and excuses about your controlling parents, and laments about the limitations of the software industry, and... here we go again: they all end up with you weren't really in business at age 4, or 8, or even at 36 for that matter.

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Formerlyunknown, 

Lets start with how many copies of a software is sold. It is none of their business. As for amount of income from royalties depends on the software distribution agreement terms. If wasn't always favorable. Where's the money now? It's none of your business. As for the software industry, it has its ebb and flow. The amount of money one earns does not have relevance to whether someone was part of the software development field. It doesn't matter. 

You are part of the architecture field when you were an unpaid intern for an architect. You might even be part of the architecture field when you were drafting in high school for a father or mother whose's an architect. It depends on whether you were doing something that was part of the field whether on the local area or broader area. It doesn't matter, you were part of it. 

Just because I was in the software field since the 1980s, it doesn't mean that I could take the GED at the time. While I could have taken the exam and passed it, it doesn't they would administer the test. You know, they have to authorize you to take the exam when you are at least 16 years of age because they have a minimum age rule. Some states require age to be 18 unless they undergo an approval process for an age waiver or similar exceptions if strictly met. Outside that scope it doesn't matter. California has a strict 18 years of age rule the exception of being within 60 days of one's 18th birthday when they can take the exam. It is not something you can just side-step. Your reference to GED is irrelevant.

randomised

Too many tl;dr's...

Threesleeve

Richard you've previously stated repeatedly that you have more experience than any traditional college student could possibly have, and you based that on the suppositions that people under 18 can't sign contracts, and that anything without a contract does not equal legitimate professional experience. Now, those suppositions are arguable - but they're your own assertions. So if you expect people to buy that you have career-applicable experience dating back to when you were in elementary school, then you'll have to admit that any other student or professional in the world might also have that much or more experience, and permanently give up on your claims that you've got more experience than anyone.  One or the other.  

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RickB-Astoria

Threesleeve,

Contracting with minors (under 18) means the contract is voidable. However, this doesn't mean the contract is void. It doesn't mean contractual relationship can't be established and valid or ultimately binding. The thing is clients tend to contract with architect/building designer after meeting with them in person or otherwise seeing their faces. It's much more traditional. It is very unlikely a prospective client will enter into a contract with someone they know is a minor. When it comes to software field, contracts like software distribution agreements are often done without ever the parties meeting each other in person. There is no asking what your age is or any of that kind of background checking. There is nothing in law that says a minor under 18 years old can't form a legal business entity, either. It's not prohibited. There are minors who do this all the time. Hell, look at child actors. There are factors in law where a minor wouldn't be allowed to work.... such as working in hazardous work environment when they are below a certain age. When it comes to architecture & building design in an independent practice environment, a minor would not be trusted with decisions that would involve public health, safety, and welfare. An adult, yes. 

When it came to software and video game development, it doesn't involve HSW risks. In addition, in my case, I wasn't drawing on venture capitalists financing the development so the hurdle of getting VCs to invest in the development costs of a project manned by a "minor" was not there. Yes, VCs would have been apprehensive because it would likely involve some in-person dialogue with the VCs. When I had a project completed and ready to go to market, then it was merely having software distribution agreements which really needed no face to face communication. Often, all that is needed is the most basic contract with stipulation of terms, the identities of the parties (which maybe businesses entity names) and the signatories of the parties. The terms of an SDA would outline the royalties and terms like when royalty payments will be made and so forth (payment periods). In any case, no need to "age check" the persons. 

With an SDA, the "publisher" has little risk during development cycle (unless they are investing in the development). If you produce no game or software, they won't publish and no cost on their part because there is no advertising expense they put to market the video game or other software. If you produce a video game, they will check it against their quality standards. For example, Nintendo had significant content standards to be met. Publishers had some general quality of content but often less strict about the kind of content allowed but they sometimes do depending on their publishing guidelines. If your game has good content, game play is decent if not good or great, and works properly, it was generally a non-issue. The biggest hurdle is getting the bank accounts set up but usually that wasn't a problem if there is a parent on the account and/or adult financial manager(s) in the company. An (adult) financial manager would be similar (but not the same) to an agent for a child actor or music artist. Aside from that, it would work out.

Non Sequitur
There is plenty of good stuff shared on these boards if one puts in the effort. Perhaps it’s a bad sample pool, but a large percentage of students posting here are not looking to share, they are looking for quick answers they are too lazy to reaserch on their own. Ain’nobody got time to help these children cross the road.

My professional network involves a pub, a steady supply of Guinness, some decently damp coasters (my fountain pen ink lines look better in slightly spongy damp coasters) and the same 5 to 6 other licensed arch I’ve know for many years. That’s how information is best shared IMO.
Jun 19, 18 7:26 am
tintt

I do plenty of sharing. Do you? I think if you participate instead of demand you might get better results.

Jun 19, 18 8:18 am

Zing.

tintt

Hi Miles!

Yeah I do share. And I am trying to improve that. Slowly but surely. Just trying to find better places...

eastcoast

Half of what gets shared on here is shut down by all of you anyways so...

tintt

Oh?

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Donna described it best. Archinect is like a clubby bar where the guys and gals go after work. There have been bar fights, crying into beers, baudy humor and no shortage of students looking for answers to their homework, cheap assholes looking for free designs, real estate brokers looking for promotion angles - you name it, we've got it. Patrik Schumacher stopped by to self-promote and was quickly chased out. We even have a village idiot (although some might disagree on who that is). 

You have to earn your chops here. It's just like everywhere else except for the virtual bit and the natural consequence of anonymity in this system of pipes, which is for the lack of better words sludge

Jun 19, 18 8:54 am
Non Sequitur

my vote for featured comment.

Your $5 is in the mail.

Non Sequitur

Yay.

Anonymity is one of the worst parts of Archinect, IMHO.

Non Sequitur

Daniel, you say that until you get some crazy jesus conspiracy wanker invading your other social media and work profiles.

Yeah I get your point. But anonymity can have levels. And all social networks allow for blocking of said jesus conspiracy wankers, in case that happens. A simple Twitter or FB profile link would go a long way to raise the conversation level.

FB or Twitter raises the level?!

Pretty much the stupidest thing I've heard this month. That's like saying "holding political office
gives you integrity".

Hey relax, you misunderstood what I meant. I am talking about using other social profiles to give users here some identity. Sure, whatever they do on Twitter or FB, or even if their profiles are just another front, it is another story.

It is one thing to have johndoe35 participate in a conversation, and it is another to have a Miles Jaffe with links to other stuff you have online.

RickB-Astoria

I'll say lack of anonymity does mandate some accountability. If someone uses anonymity, they sometimes act more like assholes than they would using their real names.

exactly

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mantaray
"I also have this impression that we are really too full of ourselves and not really approachable. There is 100% will to show off our work and zero will to share knowledge and support each other."

Generally what you're describing is true of INTERNET FORUMS of all stripes. (And frankly I find Archinect much better than most which is why I've been here 10+ years--lots of helpful knowledge sharing here and genuine camaraderie.)

But Internet forums have taken on a life of their own. In real life, I love hanging out with architects. Maybe it depends on the city you're in, but at least where I live, the culture is SUPER supportive and friendly.
Jun 19, 18 9:29 am
tintt

I think it does depend. I worked in a firm where it was a huge deal to even speak. It was like the floor was paved with eggshells. Everybody had to tiptoe around. As an intern with about a year of experience, I asked a 50-something year old architect clarification about a fire/smoke rating and he said "I'm not going to tell you." and walked away. I asked him if there was a book I could look in. He said no. I later realized there are plenty of books on the subject, just that he didn't have one for me. "Don't train your competition" is a thing. I wasn't asking how to VP freeze. I was asking about something pretty important and confusing.

(This was an IDP firm of the year too.)

Jun 19, 18 9:59 am
Formerlyunknown

Yeesh. I worked in a couple firms like that. I think the older people rationalized it that they'd been treated that way, which made them figure out everything on their own, so they should treat younger folks that way too so we'd learn. No thought that perhaps if they'd been mentored a little then they would have learned even more...

One of those firms made some promotional videos while I was there, featuring each of the principals.  In all of them the principals are shown interacting with the staff, but only the principals are heard speaking, and then the staff are always muted and background music plays over them.  It's almost as if they were making instructional videos on how to run a firm where everyone is afraid to talk or collaborate.

tintt

I think they rationalize it too that you can google anything now, so why should they waste their breath?

Threesleeve

My guess is the old guy didn't know the answer to the question, so he was saving face by putting on a show of making you industriously find the answer on your own. If the question was what's the difference between a fire rating and a smoke partition I've got old guys in my office now who still can't answer that.

What's the difference between a fire rating and a smoke partition and if it is what I think it is, how can I monetize on it? Thanks in advance, I was asking for a friend.


tintt

Fire ratings are given to firecrackers, like oh yeah, this one's a 10! Smoke partitions are used to enclose smoke lounges at the airport. U use this info to 1. meet people in smoke lounges and 2. buy the best firecrackers.

curtkram

my company is pretty good about fracturing itself into compartments. it's kind of neat, because we have a compartment that thinks everything has to be kept secret and other compartments that don't, so the 1 year interns like you're talking about can actually see the difference.

tintt

Same guy also told me exterior walls were never fire-rated. Turns out he was kidding. I survived. Maybe I'm assburgers too.

tintt

That's how I found archinect. Been getting help here ever since.

tintt, what if I do firecrackers in smoke lounges, would that put fire ratings into question or the smoke partitions?

Non Sequitur

I don't think we should be promoting segregation in any form hence why I refuse to put any fire separations in my projects. What will our children's children think about our actions when they discover fire has feelings and sentient thoughts?

tintt

I can never remember if the rule is to always take firecrackers to the airport or to never do that.

Non Sequitur

I do both. I'll bring some with me in my carry-on but mail the others to my destination (in a generic brown box with no return address, of-course).  This way, I 'm always certain to have done the right thing.

I wonder if there are "G" rated firecrackers I can use in the smoking lounge in the airport? You guys know? I guess I could google.

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BulgarBlogger

We hang out in Israel and discuss Palestinians. LOL 

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Oh, the bvulgar in da house. What's your rating sweetie?

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BulgarBlogger

An F- for Israel-hating bastards like you lol

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what a sad person... comes out from nowhere to libel against me.

RickB-Astoria

Making my point already Orhan.

Netflix

Jun 19, 18 4:54 pm

to the OP 'squestions - I've been saying it for years, architects take themselves way too seriously.  I'm not sure if it's a complete lack of social skills and delusions of granduer, but the way architects behave with regard to first impressions, style...etc... practically doesn't matter.

all the work looks the same to an untrained eye anyway.  no one cares about anyone's portfolio unless it is marketable for more dollars. i.e. right now Architect A is hot, put his name on it and we'll make money, etc...

my favorite scene once, was at a university crit where I as recent grad made the effort to acknowledge the students in the room, while the seasoned crits ignored them even during named introduction, grabbed their coffee, talked about none of the projects, etc...but these guys were important they had websites with nothing built and talked a lot about shit no one cares about.  then this useless TA type lady comes over and starts dropping names on some architect I'd never heard of and how she was working on his projects no one had heard of, unbuilt of course, because that's real honor - unbuilt shit!.  after a while she shunned me, because all my responses were "no idea, never heard of any of this."

point is - no one cares Architects with a capital A. seriously, no one gives  a shit unless your name makes the product sale 1.25 x the typical value.

so called architects are reluctant to share knowledge because they have no knowledge.  as I explain to most General Contractors, the reason that little bitch architect stomped their foot and said everything is wrong and didn't answer your question - they are uneducated morons and have no clue...the General contractor's laugh and agree.

thank you douchebags in Black with fancy pants academic standings - useless.  thank you.

ramble complete.

Jun 19, 18 11:41 pm
Non Sequitur

I always groan and despise when I meet someone who's impressed that I am an architect. It's not that special, now shut up and get me my coffee you pesant.

Sir Apple Chrissy

Sorry i am busy writing a book about a revolution that will only happen in my mind.

Non Sequitur

Can I be coauthor?

eastcoast

Omg how accurate it is for the 'important people' to talk about their unbuilt projects.

Non Sequitur

^define important people. Plenty of books out-there and conceptual and un-resolved projects. BIG has a well known book on this.

eastcoast

The people that Apple Chris is referring to in his post ^ There are a lot of guest reviewers that showed up in arch school to review our work and then act like the hot shot guys of architecture (all men) but yet have never actually seen a building to completion or anything other than on paper really. Its no wonder a lot (but not all) students are pretty helpless when they get out of school. 90% of the professors have never even worked outside of the education system. I don't think it's always a bad thing when work isn't chosen to be constructed but when thats all you've got in your repertoire it seems like you're more of an artist less of an architect.

Non Sequitur

^ I agree wholeheartedly. Very few of my undergrad profs also practiced on the side but the majority (if not all) of my grad profs did. Night and day differences.

Sir Apple Chrissy

Agree and agree. Coauthoring allowed. The revolution begins in my mind tonight.

McTaco

Holy fuck does Rick right a novel every time he posts. Fuck or I’m high and drunk ? Shit boths maybe 

Jun 20, 18 1:09 am
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You're fucked, high, and drunk. The posts are longer then the two or three sentence length mental capacity of the COCKroaches of on archinect, BUT (or BUTT) it isn't a novel because a novel would typically be 50,000+ words. These posts are above are maybe 250 to 575 words each. You're whining about posts that are typically the length of picture books for readers of 7 to 8 years of age. Typical easy reads for age 9 would be about 2,000 to 2,500 words. None of my posts on this thread are that large. Most of my posts are nowhere in the 50,000 word range. 

Non Sequitur

please Rick, just because we choose not to read your rants does not mean we're devoid of any mental capacity. You on the other hand... have issues.

Ricky posting while intoxicated? Not like him to be aggressively rude.

eastcoast

"The posts are longer then the two or three sentence length mental capacity of the COCKroaches of on archinect". Spot on! So accurate

RickB-Astoria

What is getting annoying is people like OLA whining about reading posts that are longer than 2 to 3 sentences. Those posts are about 250-550 words. They call those novels. There are not novels. It shouldn't take an adult more than 2 minutes to read. Novels are typically 25,000+ words. 

RickB-Astoria

Until you read 25,000 word novels in 90 minutes all day long and every day doing this for 8 to 10 hours quit whining about posts being more than a few sentences long.

Non Sequitur

Ricky, novels often have plots and a cohesive structure or narrative. Yours often equal hot piles of mindless ramblings. That's why they are not read and addressed by the rest of us.

Ricky, I never read anything you write that is over two sentences long, and most of the time I just ignore you entirely. The only amusing thing about you is seeing how others respond to you. That being said, why do you bother posting here in the cockroach forums - is that a step up for you?

Cockroaches of Archinect = good band name

also a source of protein

RickB-Astoria

Non Sequitur, true but plots, structure, and narrative are something that is composed over 10,000+ words not just a 500 word post on a forum. Everyone's post is mindless ramblings to at least someone on the forum. Lets just cut to the chase that you aren't interested in the topics I write about. How about shut the f--- up and read someone else's post and respond to those people.

Ricky is off his meds again. His mindless ramblings have gone angry.

Take a time out, Dude.

RickB-Astoria

How hard is it to understand that no person has to read or reply to my post. If it doesn't interest you (and this applies to everyone), move on to someone else's post. Basically, ignore the things that are of no interest to you. If I wanted to by like Non Sequitur, I would emulate him and his ways. I don't. I don't care. The point is, STFU and move on to other people's posts instead of trying to argue. 

Before that, my point to OLA was stop claiming my posts are novels in size. They are not. Until the word count is in the nearing 25,000 to 100,000+ words, it is not a novel. At 500 to 600 words, it is NO WHERE NEAR the size of a novel. 

PC keyboards have these special keys for rapidly moving up or down the website without having to use the mouse scroll where. Those keys are Page Up and Page Down. Learn them. It will get you past a long post quite quickly.

Non Sequitur

Hey now, keep my saintly name out of that dirty mouth of yours.

There is also 'ignore user'. I'm sure you understand plonk

Bye bye!

JLC-1

Where do potential clients hang out online?

Jun 20, 18 11:44 am

Amazon

Ok, where were we? 

Best ever architects' hang out is Thread Central. Probably the longest one too. I wonder how many pages it would be if it was a book?

Jun 20, 18 5:56 pm
mantaray

I remember the very day Thread Central first showed up Orhan. We've both changed names since then... fun to look back at the earlier days. Although I do feel Thread Central is almost a chronicle mirroring the exact trajectory of internet forums in general: started out in the early 2000s as a sort of fun, egalitarian, friendly and welcoming secret garden of sorts, and then as time goes by, being forced to weather the storm of trolls and various internet gasbags as the weeds make their assault upon the garden... not sure if you remember me but I was a different m name once. armenian from so cal. someday i hope to share a couple borek with you...

M***m of course I remember. Those were the good days when people were secure enough to laugh at themselves. I see lots of meanness around these days. Just the other day some low life called a libel on me for no particular reason in this thread. Based on his hateful assumption of me. A racist hack. I don’t post much anymore because of these kinds of problem people.

But it’s nice to see yo
u and occasionally other old friends around.

RickB-Astoria

Orhan, you're problem with Bulgar? Someone might interpret that you started the problem by use of "bvulgar". You might want to think about that for a moment.

McTaco

on a serious note I hang out at strip joints 

Jun 20, 18 6:46 pm
JLC-1

beautiful

Sir Apple Chrissy

Are you in love with a stripper?

tintt

We "hang out" on a beer app.

Jun 20, 18 9:54 pm
Non Sequitur

shssssssssus.

tintt

New app idea. Sketches with Architects. All are on napkins.

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