Jeez, Josh, you're being kind. That article isn't just written fellatio, it's tearful shame-ridden self-hating closeted homosexual fellatio with a rent boy, much like many of my great state's Republican representatives have!
Troy that expanation works. Its about character in various circumstances, but this is hardly what the US media talks about. They do as an aftethought. instead for the purposes of ratings they dig up 9 stories and make loud points and destroy lives while at it to fit their political agendas to prove Trump is a creepy sexist dude. His fan base gives 2 fucks and it is essentially confirmed the liberal media is in collusion with Hillary.....lets bring up Howard Stern shows from the past that millions had already listened to. so who the fuck cares if Russian hackers are in collusion with Trump? the most interesting thing about Trump is his ability to lure the media in on their predictable character and then just take a dump on them as his crazy fans get excited to the point - that whatever you want to believe is your right as an American and you god damn straight you can shoot someone if they do not like your take on America.....my thesis has concluded. we are officially fucked whether Trump wins or not. moving to Canada. Canada better start building a wall.
with regard to evangelicals, I would be interested in links to those still supporting Trump (i know I can google it, but if you read something saves me filtering crap)...........the guy behind Olaf grew up in that world and got the hell out when he was a free man at 18. Under certain church leaders that world can be highly manipulative and an intense mind controlling environment - read cult. it can also be pure Jesus in every hippy Ghandi sense possible, which often does become cultish - there is no hierarchy..........later in life I found out my grandfather who was a Southern Baptists preacher (who had a beard like a rabbi) had a style like a pastor I had heard only once or twice (who i liked even though I was not a believer, 18 years of shit you dont believe) a fiery honest workin farmer who'd put accountability on your shoulders and in small hops of fiery red anger would tell you where to look in the word of god for support. I cannot see anyone like that supporting Trump, but maybe I am wrong.......the third coming was Bernie Sanders, he's Jewish for christ sake.....well we missed it, apocalypse now.
i was just driving through northern arkansas and saw a big billboard that said "diversity is a code word for white genocide"
i don't know if these people are aware of what 'genocide' means, but whatever. this isn't ok. it's not ok for that to be construed as acceptable in public view. to have this in a place where schoolchildren can view it is an obscenity and not covered as 'protected speech.' we fought this war in the '50s and '60s, and now it's over. the alt-right doesn't get to come back.
It's a terrible message, but are you suggesting we give up the first amendment so that school children won't know that the world has some assholes in it?
jla-x, see, here's the problem, these tea-billies don't have a fence around stupid. now, if they want to raise toothless idiots, and erect American Front billboards, who the fuck cares? If however, they want to leave that hole, or depend on my tax dollars to bail them out, when a cat 5 tornado busts their trailer home state, then yeah, i have a problem.
Just saying, in order to have things like nude art and politically charged music like rage against the machine or Tupac, we need to also deal with a certain amount of garbage and ignorant speech. That's the price of liberty. Also, There are alternative non-governmental forms of dealing with signs like that.... Spray paint the word "Nickleback" over the word "Diversity...."
The left, is not capable of institutional biases, the white majority, and religious right however, has a history of it, a long one at that.
I agree with you jla-x.
But you made a point about "school children" and I'm suggesting that these home-schooled morons, should be chained to a tree, and not let loose from their state, if that's how they want to educate the thing that was created based on luck, budweiser, and failed condoms.
the left is absolutlety capable of institutional biasis, if you can't see that beta not sure how liberal you may actually be. jla-x line of thiught is a little more accurate. as i explained above the left has it coming and i am not suprised then radicals on the right are coning out of the wood work. thanks for the list of names above. i know a few of them and suprised to say the least.......you choices are satan or satan for president apparently.
Sorry beta - agree with gwharton here. All Humans, no matter their political leaning, are capable of institutional biases. It's our base us vs them nature.
I wonder if any of the Left-leaning Democrats on this thread have learned more about where the new boundaries are to what defines "Liberal" and "Progressive"? I feel that I have.
Bernie Sanders' run certainly helped to clarify the difference. Also, the DNC leaks, helped to reveal what DNC insiders really think of the intellectual left.
Just today, I noticed an email between Neera Tanden and John Podesta, where they're bashing Larry Lessig.
The left is probably just as biased if not more than the right. The most annoying thing from my facebook friends on the left is the moral high ground they feel they acquired by nothing more than claiming an association to a cause or group. Doing stuff seems to not really matter anymore. People feel they gain their "goodness" by their likes and associations. That's the weakest and most dellusional form of civics.
jla-x the ability for people to endorse information perpetuate really stupid shit through a simple button is freaking horrible. For both sides. nobody even reads the shit they endorse anymore. I can;t tell you the number of articles i have seen people on both sides like, or comment on that i have opened and they are just unintelligible drivel. I even saw someone right an article pondering a conspiracy theory based on information they cited from a 4chan posting. a fucking 4chan posting of anonymous crazy people with no sources information or anything. it gets regurgitated through these faux media sites and then taken as actual reporting and everyone gets butt hurt about it on facebook. It's both sides. It's my family. Why can't people be held accountable for this kind of thing. It goes all the way to the top with people retweeting garbage then saying "well I heard people have been saying"
It means that we have to choose our sources wisely, dig deeper into the facts, and stay updated on a story to see if new facts emerge over time. In the age of Twitter, its even possible to ask people directly about something you heard about them, or about a piece of legislation they're supporting, or whatever.
It's annoying because it takes work, but it's just part of the nature of doing research. There will always be people or bogus bits of information leading you away from the facts.
If your coworker shares an article from a random blog, weight it like it was a random blog. Don't treat it like it was found on the front page of the NY Times.
“Those established laws, customs, and practices which systematically reflect and produce group-based inequities in any society. An institution may be biased whether or not the individuals maintaining those practices have biased intentions”
See, waddle and dummy, I am social justice guy, and your poor little old me Christianity, is bunk, full of bunk, and downright wrong. No one is preventing you from worshipping Christ. On the contrary, it seems most people that have problems with Islam, are Christians.
"The United States is no longer a majority white, Christian country, and that is already beginning to have profound social and political implications. At 45 percent of the population, white Christians are a shrinking demographic—and the backlash from many members of the group against the increasing diversification of America has been swift and bitter. “People fight like that when they are losing a sense of place, a sense of belonging, and a sense of the country that they understand and love,” says Robert P. Jones, the author of The End of White Christian America, in this animated interview. “How do they re-engage in public life when they can’t be the majority?”"
Oh, and while we're at it, let's all remember that there's more to this election than just voting for President -- time to thump some of these tired old GOP members of Congress too:
"The left is probably just as biased if not more than the right. The most annoying thing from my facebook friends on the left is the moral high ground they feel they acquired by nothing more than claiming an association to a cause or group. "
and
The United States is no longer a majority white, Christian country, and that is already beginning to have profound social and political implications. At 45 percent of the population, white Christians are a shrinking demographic—and the backlash from many members of the group against the increasing diversification of America has been swift and bitter. “People fight like that when they are losing a sense of place, a sense of belonging, and a sense of the country that they understand and love...
wait, wait....the Lefties are now more pious than the religious, and the presumed opressors will become minorities.
the opressors are not a race or religion or a sex, but an economic class, but let's keep side tracking everyone with absolute bullshit - religion, politics, race, sex, etc... thank you American media!
McVeigh, a Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the Waco siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years before the bombing, as well as for the Ruby Ridge incident in 1992. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against the federal government.
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but yeah lefty liberal media, keep chuckling on your morning shows and degrading an entire group of the population. isn't this entirely contradictory to your very "tolerant" liberal policies?
Sure, let's all celebrate the diversity, but christ sake pay attention in your happy state of mind.
I'm hoping it doesn't come to this, but come on, pay attention.
I agree with Olaf that there are a lot of smug rank-and-file Democrats who are actually very gullible but they still pat themselves on the back for not believing in God, or knowing what institutional racism is.
Over the course of the primary, I was very surprised at how many older educated Dems are as naive as a college freshmen rebelling against their conservative parents.
Hillary is going to win, which will mean that we will have 16-straight years of Democrats in the White House. This isn't 2004. We don't have an anti-gay, born again, warmongering president to rebel against. Gay Marriage is legal. And now we'll the first female warmongering president. Look at all of these Republicans/NeoCons who have either endorsed Hillary or rejected Trump. The Clinton/Schumer/McCain/Graham wing of American politics reflects an economic, security, and foreign policy consensus. And the only reason a dipshit like Trump was even able to find an opening this year, is because the DC consensus refuses to seriously address economic anxieties.
Hey, don't get me wrong, I don't care about white people's tears, not one bit. We've stole our way here, we stole black and brown peoples from other lands, and from their own land here. White control, of a place that was not theirs to begin with, has been slipping, since Plymouth Rock Landings.
I'm only saddened it's taken this long.
You don't get to genocide peoples, to this very day, and have me cry a river for white people. White people are fucking quacking dinosaurs, buh-bye.
WaD, what have you been missing here? Olaf has been all over the white christian shit this entire thread. I am tired of hearing about "white christians". It's really sickening to read, or hear, about what white people are losing, sickening. These are the same white people that roll around in their carts, paid for by Medicare, and claiming black and brown peoples are taking from the system - all the while screaming at the "socialist" Obama; "KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF MY GOVERNMENT MEDICAL ASSISTANCE!!"
The paternalism necessary to carry these Zombiepublicans, is fucking tedious. Can they hurry up and die already?
"But I can’t for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this — at least one that reveals no crime or violation of any important public policy.
We all deserve privacy. The burdens of public service are insane enough without the perpetual threat that every thought shared with a friend becomes Twitter fodder. Neera has only ever served in the public (and public interest) sector. Her work has always and only been devoted to advancing her vision of the public good. It is not right that she should bear the burden of this sort of breach."
Lessig is being far more gracious than Neera Tanden ever would be.
Speaking of grace... don't you see how cruel it sounds to ridicule poor and aging people because of their race and religion? As a Left-leaning Democrat, I'm almost more bothered by what you are saying because you're the one claiming to be on the left. I don't think Democrats should be ridiculing poor people and old people. If you want to address racism, work to undermine racism, don't internalize the hate.
I don't think I'm hating on poor, which I've been - not as an adult, but as a child, or the old. I am hating on the imprudence of those, those that especially go around telling people how to live their lives; calling them welfare queens, sucking off the welfare state, etc...When it's white people's behavior and theirs alone for their station in life. They're to blame for their racism, they're to blame for the policies that exist; we are still living with the horribly destructive legacies of Reagan and 40 years of Republican's war on drugs.
I am hating the racism, hard. Harder than people would like, because I won't acknowledge their fears, or their ignorance. They did it to themselves.
We've watched in slow motion, the Irish Wake of WASP America, and I am thinking it's finally starting to daylight, albeit at the expense of us watching the dog finally catch it's tail, and eat itself the way it only can, and should; from the ass up.
I am hating the racism, hard. Harder than people would like, because I won't acknowledge their fears, or their ignorance.
I don't blindly agree with everything b3ta says but I do agree with this. I'm old enough and fed up enough to not feel the need to be mindful of the feelings of people spouting straight-up ignorance.
Now granted, I've been taught since birth that racism is intolerable, that all people deserve to be given a fair shake and then judged only on their individual actions. I'm sure that many racist people *have also* been taught those racist values since their own birth, so I can feel a small bit of sympathy for their terrible upbringing - ti's not a child's fault to be raised in a racist environment.
But the information is out there. Staying close-minded and ignorant in the face of so much cultural information *is* setting yourself up to be deserving of scorn. It's like anti-vaxxers: the information is out there. If someone chooses to be willfully ignorant of good, scientifically-based, broadly-accepted knowledge, they don't deserve my sympathy and I don't feel compelled to spend my time enlightening them.
All that said: I can easily imagine, and physically feel if I think about it too long, the stomach-turning depression and frustration I will feel if Drumpf is elected president: then I remind myself that that same physical and mental anguish is what many, many fellow citizens will feel if Hillary is elected. I *can* sympathize with how miserable it is to feel that way, and I will try not to gloat over others' feelings in that situation, only. But I'll be happy for everyone if Hillary wins.
Look, I totally acknowledge my blindspot, my lack of empathy in this area. It's mostly due to the simple fact that though we are still largely segregated in this country, and most people in America have zero experience, or connection with people of color, we have umpteen ways of connecting to various segments of the global communities, and yet given the opportunity, we typically self segregate.
Until the dominate culture figures out a way to acknowledge its past, and try real reconciliation, I'm loath to give it a pass.
I really think you are entirely on the wrong track. Maybe it is cathartic for you to say these things, especially if you have known poor racist white people personally. I grew up in working class white neighborhood, and I also carry with me my own resentments toward my old neighborhood and my family, and toward low-achieving close-minded working class whites. But I know that those resentments are not usually constructive when thinking about systems that keep people in poverty and out of college. If you let your grievances guide your political identity, you will become exactly what you tried to leave behind.
When you're hating on people and defining them by one flaw, you're hating on the good and the bad in them. You're hating on their ignorance and their knowledge, their weakest moments in life and their strongest moments life. You're also hating on you're fellow citizens, and maybe your own family and friends.
Not only does your "punching down" way of talking about race as a poor-old-white phenomenon seem morally shaky, it also gives a pass to all of the very wealthy people, Democrats and Republicans, who will live splendidly with a President Clinton, just as they did with every president before her, regardless of their views on racial inequality. Their fortunes will grow. The Koch Brothers will do just fine.
davvid, as I said. I'm not feeling the better angels bit. I'm every bit as angry at the racists, as they are of me. I can't even begin to accurately demonstrate how angry I am at the fact that my birth occurred between two assassinations, at the end of Jim Crow, and here we are, almost 50 years later, still dealing with these same issues.
I always wondered what kind of person I would have been, in the 1960's, and I'm not sure I would've been that much different than what I rail against today.
However, I am who I am now, and I'm determined to be on the right side of this. Too many black men in prison, too many killed by police.
"The words appearing most frequently in the Twitter biographies of the attackers were “Trump,” “nationalist,” “conservative” and “white.” Many of the owners of the 1,600 Twitter accounts were anonymous, though at least two are prominent white supremacists: Andrew Anglin, the founder of the website The Daily Stormer, and Lee Rogers of the Infostormer."
Thump the Trump
Jeez, Josh, you're being kind. That article isn't just written fellatio, it's tearful shame-ridden self-hating closeted homosexual fellatio with a rent boy, much like many of my great state's Republican representatives have!
I'm trying to be nicer and more likable, Donna. Gotta work on social skills too once you go up the ladder a bit.
Hope you hired a shoe cleaner.
Troy that expanation works. Its about character in various circumstances, but this is hardly what the US media talks about. They do as an aftethought. instead for the purposes of ratings they dig up 9 stories and make loud points and destroy lives while at it to fit their political agendas to prove Trump is a creepy sexist dude. His fan base gives 2 fucks and it is essentially confirmed the liberal media is in collusion with Hillary.....lets bring up Howard Stern shows from the past that millions had already listened to. so who the fuck cares if Russian hackers are in collusion with Trump? the most interesting thing about Trump is his ability to lure the media in on their predictable character and then just take a dump on them as his crazy fans get excited to the point - that whatever you want to believe is your right as an American and you god damn straight you can shoot someone if they do not like your take on America.....my thesis has concluded. we are officially fucked whether Trump wins or not. moving to Canada. Canada better start building a wall.
with regard to evangelicals, I would be interested in links to those still supporting Trump (i know I can google it, but if you read something saves me filtering crap)...........the guy behind Olaf grew up in that world and got the hell out when he was a free man at 18. Under certain church leaders that world can be highly manipulative and an intense mind controlling environment - read cult. it can also be pure Jesus in every hippy Ghandi sense possible, which often does become cultish - there is no hierarchy..........later in life I found out my grandfather who was a Southern Baptists preacher (who had a beard like a rabbi) had a style like a pastor I had heard only once or twice (who i liked even though I was not a believer, 18 years of shit you dont believe) a fiery honest workin farmer who'd put accountability on your shoulders and in small hops of fiery red anger would tell you where to look in the word of god for support. I cannot see anyone like that supporting Trump, but maybe I am wrong.......the third coming was Bernie Sanders, he's Jewish for christ sake.....well we missed it, apocalypse now.
ODN: Some of the more well known evangelical leaders who remain committed to Trump:
Don't forget Franklin Graham, son of Billy Graham and influential evangelical leader.
i was just driving through northern arkansas and saw a big billboard that said "diversity is a code word for white genocide"
i don't know if these people are aware of what 'genocide' means, but whatever. this isn't ok. it's not ok for that to be construed as acceptable in public view. to have this in a place where schoolchildren can view it is an obscenity and not covered as 'protected speech.' we fought this war in the '50s and '60s, and now it's over. the alt-right doesn't get to come back.
It's a terrible message, but are you suggesting we give up the first amendment so that school children won't know that the world has some assholes in it?
Who's Bob Robinson?
Always amusing when a non-Christian judges a Christian's faith. Stronger Together, huh?
^Classic horseshit.
"Your intolerance, of my judgmental attitudes towards the LGBT community, choice, and contraception, is bigotry."
jla-x, see, here's the problem, these tea-billies don't have a fence around stupid. now, if they want to raise toothless idiots, and erect American Front billboards, who the fuck cares? If however, they want to leave that hole, or depend on my tax dollars to bail them out, when a cat 5 tornado busts their trailer home state, then yeah, i have a problem.
yes, you have a problem. we all knew that many years ago.
hey precious! i was wondering when the Grand Kleagle was going to show!
And now, you're here!
I got some matches...
Just saying, in order to have things like nude art and politically charged music like rage against the machine or Tupac, we need to also deal with a certain amount of garbage and ignorant speech. That's the price of liberty. Also, There are alternative non-governmental forms of dealing with signs like that.... Spray paint the word "Nickleback" over the word "Diversity...."
The left, is not capable of institutional biases, the white majority, and religious right however, has a history of it, a long one at that.
I agree with you jla-x.
But you made a point about "school children" and I'm suggesting that these home-schooled morons, should be chained to a tree, and not let loose from their state, if that's how they want to educate the thing that was created based on luck, budweiser, and failed condoms.
wadw: "Always amusing when a non-Christian judges a Christian's faith."
Why? In my experience christians are about the most judgmental (and intolerant) people I've ever encountered.
the left is absolutlety capable of institutional biasis, if you can't see that beta not sure how liberal you may actually be. jla-x line of thiught is a little more accurate. as i explained above the left has it coming and i am not suprised then radicals on the right are coning out of the wood work. thanks for the list of names above. i know a few of them and suprised to say the least.......you choices are satan or satan for president apparently.
"The left is not capable of institutional biases"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sorry beta - agree with gwharton here. All Humans, no matter their political leaning, are capable of institutional biases. It's our base us vs them nature.
I wonder if any of the Left-leaning Democrats on this thread have learned more about where the new boundaries are to what defines "Liberal" and "Progressive"? I feel that I have.
Bernie Sanders' run certainly helped to clarify the difference. Also, the DNC leaks, helped to reveal what DNC insiders really think of the intellectual left.
Just today, I noticed an email between Neera Tanden and John Podesta, where they're bashing Larry Lessig.
The left is probably just as biased if not more than the right. The most annoying thing from my facebook friends on the left is the moral high ground they feel they acquired by nothing more than claiming an association to a cause or group. Doing stuff seems to not really matter anymore. People feel they gain their "goodness" by their likes and associations. That's the weakest and most dellusional form of civics.
jla-x the ability for people to endorse information perpetuate really stupid shit through a simple button is freaking horrible. For both sides. nobody even reads the shit they endorse anymore. I can;t tell you the number of articles i have seen people on both sides like, or comment on that i have opened and they are just unintelligible drivel. I even saw someone right an article pondering a conspiracy theory based on information they cited from a 4chan posting. a fucking 4chan posting of anonymous crazy people with no sources information or anything. it gets regurgitated through these faux media sites and then taken as actual reporting and everyone gets butt hurt about it on facebook. It's both sides. It's my family. Why can't people be held accountable for this kind of thing. It goes all the way to the top with people retweeting garbage then saying "well I heard people have been saying"
It means that we have to choose our sources wisely, dig deeper into the facts, and stay updated on a story to see if new facts emerge over time. In the age of Twitter, its even possible to ask people directly about something you heard about them, or about a piece of legislation they're supporting, or whatever.
It's annoying because it takes work, but it's just part of the nature of doing research. There will always be people or bogus bits of information leading you away from the facts.
If your coworker shares an article from a random blog, weight it like it was a random blog. Don't treat it like it was found on the front page of the NY Times.
Boy, the Architect Klan is strong here. I knew my statement would hook Judge Smails.
http://aaaspolicyfellowships.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/7a.%20Reducing%20Bias%20-%20Thomas.pdf
“Those established laws, customs, and practices which systematically reflect and produce group-based inequities in any society. An institution may be biased whether or not the individuals maintaining those practices have biased intentions”
Institutional Racism
I'll go one step further; White People are not capable of experiencing institutional biases, white people are perpetuating institutional biases.
Beta and comb, pulling the "I know you are, but what am I" card. Some really good discussion happening here.
See, waddle and dummy, I am social justice guy, and your poor little old me Christianity, is bunk, full of bunk, and downright wrong. No one is preventing you from worshipping Christ. On the contrary, it seems most people that have problems with Islam, are Christians.
Drumpf is no more Christian, than ISIS is Islam.
Bye Felicia
"The United States is no longer a majority white, Christian country, and that is already beginning to have profound social and political implications. At 45 percent of the population, white Christians are a shrinking demographic—and the backlash from many members of the group against the increasing diversification of America has been swift and bitter. “People fight like that when they are losing a sense of place, a sense of belonging, and a sense of the country that they understand and love,” says Robert P. Jones, the author of The End of White Christian America, in this animated interview. “How do they re-engage in public life when they can’t be the majority?”"
All of this whining would be a little funny if he wasn't heading into such dangerous territory now with his "the election is rigged" BS.
Angela Davis
Oh, and while we're at it, let's all remember that there's more to this election than just voting for President -- time to thump some of these tired old GOP members of Congress too:
"The left is probably just as biased if not more than the right. The most annoying thing from my facebook friends on the left is the moral high ground they feel they acquired by nothing more than claiming an association to a cause or group. "
and
The United States is no longer a majority white, Christian country, and that is already beginning to have profound social and political implications. At 45 percent of the population, white Christians are a shrinking demographic—and the backlash from many members of the group against the increasing diversification of America has been swift and bitter. “People fight like that when they are losing a sense of place, a sense of belonging, and a sense of the country that they understand and love...
wait, wait....the Lefties are now more pious than the religious, and the presumed opressors will become minorities.
the opressors are not a race or religion or a sex, but an economic class, but let's keep side tracking everyone with absolute bullshit - religion, politics, race, sex, etc... thank you American media!
and beta, my entire point with all my rants on the last two (2) pages is very clear with regard to this question
“How do they re-engage in public life when they can’t be the majority?”" (white christians - who feel disenfranchised)
from wiki...
Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American domestic terrorist convicted[3] and executed[4] for the detonation of a car bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.[5] Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City bombing, the attack killed 168 people and injured over 600.[6] According to the United States Government, it was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11 attacks, and remains the most significant act of domestic terrorism in United States history.
McVeigh, a Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the Waco siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years before the bombing, as well as for the Ruby Ridge incident in 1992. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against the federal government.
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but yeah lefty liberal media, keep chuckling on your morning shows and degrading an entire group of the population. isn't this entirely contradictory to your very "tolerant" liberal policies?
Sure, let's all celebrate the diversity, but christ sake pay attention in your happy state of mind.
I'm hoping it doesn't come to this, but come on, pay attention.
Drumpf is no more Christian, than ISIS is Islam.
At least you got that right, beta.
I'm not arguing for Trump, but against the piety of bourgeois liberalism.
I agree with Olaf that there are a lot of smug rank-and-file Democrats who are actually very gullible but they still pat themselves on the back for not believing in God, or knowing what institutional racism is.
Over the course of the primary, I was very surprised at how many older educated Dems are as naive as a college freshmen rebelling against their conservative parents.
Hillary is going to win, which will mean that we will have 16-straight years of Democrats in the White House. This isn't 2004. We don't have an anti-gay, born again, warmongering president to rebel against. Gay Marriage is legal. And now we'll the first female warmongering president. Look at all of these Republicans/NeoCons who have either endorsed Hillary or rejected Trump. The Clinton/Schumer/McCain/Graham wing of American politics reflects an economic, security, and foreign policy consensus. And the only reason a dipshit like Trump was even able to find an opening this year, is because the DC consensus refuses to seriously address economic anxieties.
Hey, don't get me wrong, I don't care about white people's tears, not one bit. We've stole our way here, we stole black and brown peoples from other lands, and from their own land here. White control, of a place that was not theirs to begin with, has been slipping, since Plymouth Rock Landings.
I'm only saddened it's taken this long.
You don't get to genocide peoples, to this very day, and have me cry a river for white people. White people are fucking quacking dinosaurs, buh-bye.
You're the only one here talking race, beta. Not even sure why...
b3tadine[sutures],
Who is asking you to cry a river for white people?
WaD, what have you been missing here? Olaf has been all over the white christian shit this entire thread. I am tired of hearing about "white christians". It's really sickening to read, or hear, about what white people are losing, sickening. These are the same white people that roll around in their carts, paid for by Medicare, and claiming black and brown peoples are taking from the system - all the while screaming at the "socialist" Obama; "KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF MY GOVERNMENT MEDICAL ASSISTANCE!!"
The paternalism necessary to carry these Zombiepublicans, is fucking tedious. Can they hurry up and die already?
Tired? Yeah, you betcha.
davvid, kinda disappointed with that wikileak post up there;
Lessig
and
Lessig
"But I can’t for the life of me see the public good in a leak like this — at least one that reveals no crime or violation of any important public policy.
We all deserve privacy. The burdens of public service are insane enough without the perpetual threat that every thought shared with a friend becomes Twitter fodder. Neera has only ever served in the public (and public interest) sector. Her work has always and only been devoted to advancing her vision of the public good. It is not right that she should bear the burden of this sort of breach."
Lessig is being far more gracious than Neera Tanden ever would be.
Speaking of grace... don't you see how cruel it sounds to ridicule poor and aging people because of their race and religion? As a Left-leaning Democrat, I'm almost more bothered by what you are saying because you're the one claiming to be on the left. I don't think Democrats should be ridiculing poor people and old people. If you want to address racism, work to undermine racism, don't internalize the hate.
I don't think I'm hating on poor, which I've been - not as an adult, but as a child, or the old. I am hating on the imprudence of those, those that especially go around telling people how to live their lives; calling them welfare queens, sucking off the welfare state, etc...When it's white people's behavior and theirs alone for their station in life. They're to blame for their racism, they're to blame for the policies that exist; we are still living with the horribly destructive legacies of Reagan and 40 years of Republican's war on drugs.
I am hating the racism, hard. Harder than people would like, because I won't acknowledge their fears, or their ignorance. They did it to themselves.
We've watched in slow motion, the Irish Wake of WASP America, and I am thinking it's finally starting to daylight, albeit at the expense of us watching the dog finally catch it's tail, and eat itself the way it only can, and should; from the ass up.
Trump is the new Nixon, the "Law and Order" candidate. Republicans have been running on fear since the 60's. Time to grow some perspective.
I am hating the racism, hard. Harder than people would like, because I won't acknowledge their fears, or their ignorance.
I don't blindly agree with everything b3ta says but I do agree with this. I'm old enough and fed up enough to not feel the need to be mindful of the feelings of people spouting straight-up ignorance.
Now granted, I've been taught since birth that racism is intolerable, that all people deserve to be given a fair shake and then judged only on their individual actions. I'm sure that many racist people *have also* been taught those racist values since their own birth, so I can feel a small bit of sympathy for their terrible upbringing - ti's not a child's fault to be raised in a racist environment.
But the information is out there. Staying close-minded and ignorant in the face of so much cultural information *is* setting yourself up to be deserving of scorn. It's like anti-vaxxers: the information is out there. If someone chooses to be willfully ignorant of good, scientifically-based, broadly-accepted knowledge, they don't deserve my sympathy and I don't feel compelled to spend my time enlightening them.
All that said: I can easily imagine, and physically feel if I think about it too long, the stomach-turning depression and frustration I will feel if Drumpf is elected president: then I remind myself that that same physical and mental anguish is what many, many fellow citizens will feel if Hillary is elected. I *can* sympathize with how miserable it is to feel that way, and I will try not to gloat over others' feelings in that situation, only. But I'll be happy for everyone if Hillary wins.
Until the dominate culture figures out a way to acknowledge its past, and try real reconciliation, I'm loath to give it a pass.
b3tadine[sutures],
I really think you are entirely on the wrong track. Maybe it is cathartic for you to say these things, especially if you have known poor racist white people personally. I grew up in working class white neighborhood, and I also carry with me my own resentments toward my old neighborhood and my family, and toward low-achieving close-minded working class whites. But I know that those resentments are not usually constructive when thinking about systems that keep people in poverty and out of college. If you let your grievances guide your political identity, you will become exactly what you tried to leave behind.
When you're hating on people and defining them by one flaw, you're hating on the good and the bad in them. You're hating on their ignorance and their knowledge, their weakest moments in life and their strongest moments life. You're also hating on you're fellow citizens, and maybe your own family and friends.
Not only does your "punching down" way of talking about race as a poor-old-white phenomenon seem morally shaky, it also gives a pass to all of the very wealthy people, Democrats and Republicans, who will live splendidly with a President Clinton, just as they did with every president before her, regardless of their views on racial inequality. Their fortunes will grow. The Koch Brothers will do just fine.
I always wondered what kind of person I would have been, in the 1960's, and I'm not sure I would've been that much different than what I rail against today.
However, I am who I am now, and I'm determined to be on the right side of this. Too many black men in prison, too many killed by police.
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