...i think its the most amazing architecture story of the year. living without light in a cellar for 24 years or in the case of the children for most of your life... all there while the "other" family conducts the usual business above...
Funny how different people think about things. I told my girlfriend (who is studying psychology) about this story, and immediately she started ascribing certain character traits to the father.
My thoughts, on the other hand, first went to the children's conception of a home, and the world (their "outside" world was only what they saw on TV, or what their mother might have told them from when they were young), and things in that same vein.
Re-posting this story for architectural discussion is trashy. It is not relevant and I think attempts at objective discussion (see post above) are actually voyueristic and trivialize the victims' suffering.
how can you compare some news/report on how Zaha's London flat looks like -which can be discussed in a voyeuristic and ironic way- with this story?
this is not funny, it's pathetic and tragic and it has nothing to do with architecture, art, culture, politics or science (except for psychiatry, which is on the antipodes of the science of construction or urbanism)...
I think the criticism here is not about being voyeuristic or not is the "trivialize the victim's suffering" part by underlining that there is a plan of the cellar in the BBC article and use that to turn it into an "architecture story"...
I'm guessing it has also to do with the day/week you're having when you read it... Stelina, for example, is probably having a good one.. or maybe she's simply an idiot
one is an artists at the cost of regarding that which all non artists call form as 'content', as 'the thing itself' FN
or who was that other guy, painter sitting on his wife/sisters death bed, realised with horror he was trying to identify and remember the colour of her wan, dead eyes.
Medit - yeah, I am having a good week. What was your point again?
Please spare us your quasi-intellectual babble on the lacking relevance of the article to an architectural statement. To put aside all notions of how tragic this case is in all social and psychological aspects, which we are all hopefully aware of - what more is the question for us architects to think about and analyze, than the question of living modes, such as this imprisonment, its absence of daylight, extreme scarcity of space eliminating any freedom of movement and experience, a true story of a brutally imposed life-long isolation in a miserable place confined to three simple-minded, linearly connected squares, which were, by the way, the sole extents of the world for these people, literally: the architecture of their lives? It doesn't concern you at all that this is a blatant case of architecture being the medium which molded the existence and the complete psychological dispositions of these people??? No? You are calling all this IRRELEVANT to architects? That's what makes you a tool, so try selling your jabber elsewhere before even thinking about calling anyone an idiot with no reason.
yes i call this completely irrelevant to architects as not a single architect in the world plans a basement with the assumption that one day a crazy psycho will lock a person down there for 24 years...
this is a case to study and analyse for people who will find -let's hope not- another person locked in a basement again someday - that is: Criminologists... we as architects are mere spectators, just like a nurse or a truck driver
an architect cannot predict a situation like this, we plan designs for standarized lifes (or particular ones when asked by a particular client) - and so we analyse basements that have been used for "normal reasons" and then finding solutions on how can we improve them...
but trying to analyse, in an architectural forum and in an architectural manner, how the "architecture" of this particular basement in this case affected that poor people is almost like saying that what mattered most in this situation was the characteristics of space more than their suffering... what will be your conclusions? that they needed a window? that for seven kids they neede at least 4 m2 more of space? do you think it mattered at all -to them at least- if there were three squares or four?.. and whatever conclusions you take from this, what will you do with them? will you use it for your next McMansion in case that the owner is another lunatic?
if this was a fashion forum should we discuss how they dressed or what? or if it was a nutritionists forum, should we analyse what they ate and emphasize that their diet was not too much healthy, even if she was going' completely mad and their kids are fucked forever?
it's like those people who now think that one must plan skyscrapers thinking that one day, MAYBE someone will crash a 747 on them... I don't remember any (serious) article on how difficult was to break a window of the WTC to find a way to jump from the 24th floor.. like if that was the real thing to consider in that situation
and I don't like calling people an "idiot" (and I won't do it again) but I do not like being called a tool for no reason, at least you could have exposed your view in your first response of this thread... you get what you give.. and I'm leaving this thread for good... everytime I hear about this story it makes me sick
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I'm confused... how does this have to do with architecture?
There's a floor plan at the bottom of the article.
...i think its the most amazing architecture story of the year. living without light in a cellar for 24 years or in the case of the children for most of your life... all there while the "other" family conducts the usual business above...
it's like the morlock and the eloi.
except in this case the eloi eat the morlocks
shouldn't it be their 7 children, not her's?
either way, what is it w/ austrians and locking people in cellars?
Horrifying and unimaginable. How she didn't kill herself is beyond me....
how is this repugnant piece of news in the category of "Culture"?
you'll need a new label for these things, like "Psychopaths & Architecture-non-related trash"
Medit - stop being a tool.
I can't even imagine..
Ugghhh!
to the gallows with him. Funny how we make the architect connection
i wonder if the children developed vision problems as a result of growing up in the dark. what about their melanin levels?
funny thing is that these could have made a very cool thesis project...if he had just done a better job of selling it that way...
Good point architechnophilia.
Funny how different people think about things. I told my girlfriend (who is studying psychology) about this story, and immediately she started ascribing certain character traits to the father.
My thoughts, on the other hand, first went to the children's conception of a home, and the world (their "outside" world was only what they saw on TV, or what their mother might have told them from when they were young), and things in that same vein.
Re-posting this story for architectural discussion is trashy. It is not relevant and I think attempts at objective discussion (see post above) are actually voyueristic and trivialize the victims' suffering.
Follow-Up:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=562724&in_page_id=1770
isn't news generally voyeuristic? so perhaps relevance of what is and what is not, depends on your perspective.
how can you compare some news/report on how Zaha's London flat looks like -which can be discussed in a voyeuristic and ironic way- with this story?
this is not funny, it's pathetic and tragic and it has nothing to do with architecture, art, culture, politics or science (except for psychiatry, which is on the antipodes of the science of construction or urbanism)...
I think the criticism here is not about being voyeuristic or not is the "trivialize the victim's suffering" part by underlining that there is a plan of the cellar in the BBC article and use that to turn it into an "architecture story"...
I'm guessing it has also to do with the day/week you're having when you read it... Stelina, for example, is probably having a good one.. or maybe she's simply an idiot
Revised floor plans based on the new information from Austrian Police.
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The green roof sicko enjoyed.
one is an artists at the cost of regarding that which all non artists call form as 'content', as 'the thing itself' FN
or who was that other guy, painter sitting on his wife/sisters death bed, realised with horror he was trying to identify and remember the colour of her wan, dead eyes.
one persons trivia is another persons truth.
Medit - yeah, I am having a good week. What was your point again?
Please spare us your quasi-intellectual babble on the lacking relevance of the article to an architectural statement. To put aside all notions of how tragic this case is in all social and psychological aspects, which we are all hopefully aware of - what more is the question for us architects to think about and analyze, than the question of living modes, such as this imprisonment, its absence of daylight, extreme scarcity of space eliminating any freedom of movement and experience, a true story of a brutally imposed life-long isolation in a miserable place confined to three simple-minded, linearly connected squares, which were, by the way, the sole extents of the world for these people, literally: the architecture of their lives? It doesn't concern you at all that this is a blatant case of architecture being the medium which molded the existence and the complete psychological dispositions of these people??? No? You are calling all this IRRELEVANT to architects? That's what makes you a tool, so try selling your jabber elsewhere before even thinking about calling anyone an idiot with no reason.
yes i call this completely irrelevant to architects as not a single architect in the world plans a basement with the assumption that one day a crazy psycho will lock a person down there for 24 years...
this is a case to study and analyse for people who will find -let's hope not- another person locked in a basement again someday - that is: Criminologists... we as architects are mere spectators, just like a nurse or a truck driver
an architect cannot predict a situation like this, we plan designs for standarized lifes (or particular ones when asked by a particular client) - and so we analyse basements that have been used for "normal reasons" and then finding solutions on how can we improve them...
but trying to analyse, in an architectural forum and in an architectural manner, how the "architecture" of this particular basement in this case affected that poor people is almost like saying that what mattered most in this situation was the characteristics of space more than their suffering... what will be your conclusions? that they needed a window? that for seven kids they neede at least 4 m2 more of space? do you think it mattered at all -to them at least- if there were three squares or four?.. and whatever conclusions you take from this, what will you do with them? will you use it for your next McMansion in case that the owner is another lunatic?
if this was a fashion forum should we discuss how they dressed or what? or if it was a nutritionists forum, should we analyse what they ate and emphasize that their diet was not too much healthy, even if she was going' completely mad and their kids are fucked forever?
it's like those people who now think that one must plan skyscrapers thinking that one day, MAYBE someone will crash a 747 on them... I don't remember any (serious) article on how difficult was to break a window of the WTC to find a way to jump from the 24th floor.. like if that was the real thing to consider in that situation
and I don't like calling people an "idiot" (and I won't do it again) but I do not like being called a tool for no reason, at least you could have exposed your view in your first response of this thread... you get what you give.. and I'm leaving this thread for good... everytime I hear about this story it makes me sick
you're missing the point again, but I can't be bothered. no hard feelings.
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