Three skyscrapers are to be demolished in Istanbul's Zeytinburnu district for interfering with city's historical silhouette. Decision reached by the 4th. Administrative Court of Istanbul and the use licences of the buildings were revoked. Hürriyet
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First term of arch history: previously a Christian church, Hagia Sofia, when Constantinople, eventually converted into a mosque, something architecturally revolutionary about its (4) "pendant" domes, IIRC, and the symbol of the city. Have never gone east of the Greek isles. Maybe someday. As for the skyscraper moratorium, can't they just enforce a minimum distance, or a buffer zone? Also, if the skyscrapers are relegated to one direction, other vistas of this site would have no interference in the background. Paris put all its skyscrapers at La Defense. OTOH, Philadelphia eventually capitulated to buildings taller than William Penn standing at the top of a spire.
I think it was that building (1987 vintage +/-) with the layered, triangulated top (nice enough high rise) to surpass Billy Penn. Friends from Philly told me this "rule of thumb." None of them were architects and I never looked it up.
Thank you for the information. The most evocative view, I recall, was looking back at Philadelphia City Hall from the diagonal parkway that headed to the Art Museum.
As for Istanbul, I'd like to go, but have heard that one has to have their wits about them as they go around, more so than in other European cities. I do not know if that is fact or fiction. I wouldn't expect it to feel as tranquil as Athens, where you just wander around on the Metro, without any worries, and surface from the exits to inhale the capital's smog.
view corridors would not be consistent with the nature of istanbul. it really is a dense old organic city with a very prominent character. history is everywhere; there are no particular views to protect. it is a really dense complex city.
however, will the Çamlıca Hill moque , "designed so as to be visible from all parts of Istanbul,” not impose itself on the skyline? istanbul does not have any one domineering building but here comes this one.
also, is it not strange that the restrictions on the tower buildings have been placed near posthumously? is there something fishy (ie political ie not a friend of Erdogan's) going on?
on the way from the airport, i remember seeing bland residential highrise blocks...that might have been on the near outskirts but it did form an initial discordant introduction to the city.
i don't really know but it seems like decisions are being made to reflect the opinions and beliefs of one figure/one party...no? irrespective of whether one is sympathetic to height restrictions on highrise secular projects. the call is coming from the prime minister himself (or at least, he's basking in the easy-to-win empathy for his position on this one venture)- should this not observe and be controlled by municipality regulations (or suchlike?) in the first place? why allow the towers to develop in the first place? the developer said that he was not breaking any laws..is there substance behind that statement?
what we observe of turkish current politics in the region is quite tricky, clever, insiduous and definitely not all benign. i wonder whether the same is true within the country itself.
Vertical development should be suppressed on the periphery of historic peninsula which is one of the many districts of Istanbul. It is a cultural preservation.
In regards to public transportation infrastructure, a third intercontinental bridge is underway and an underwater railroad/metro tunnel is about to open next year, greatly improving public transportation. All these in addition to metrobus and metro systems, ferry network, trams and buses, Not to mention privately owned and widely used large fleets of dolmus and taxis.
City is growing vertically else places. But not always considered danger to iconic silhouette like the earlier images depict.
oh and i loved athens. strangely, i felt more at home in athens than in istanbul. it felt more immediately familiar for some reason. it felt less like one whole city than it did a string of smaller ones/towns. sort of the california of the old world (you definitely need a car to get around). and i get along better with the greeks than with the turks :o) but istanbul is the most robust city i've ever visited. aside from my chit chat above, its not strange that they have kept under control a kind of globalization that would be adverse to them such as these tower blocks. they still drink perch the small turkish coffee cups on these beautifully crafted zarf holders. Respect! we lost that art unfortunately.
tammuz, you are correct in every sense. There are power plays and corruption in every level. But I am happy this might be a legal precedent in future cases.
Athens...? Comparing it to Istanbul.. Nice little village (or, it used to be before the crash...) Zeus' hometown. Hahaha..
I'm only inquiring about riding public transportation (Metro) and general tourist safety from scams. It's sad when Americans put their wallets in their back pockets and ride crowded Metros in any of southern Europe's capitals. Don't they read the travel guides before going? So, it is implicit that Istanbul has a lot of corruption, if other European capitals are any indication, but how safe is it?
Hey man Istanbul is a dangerous city don't go there... They will take your money and throw you in Bosporus to feed the fish. Stay home in America, stay safe.. Ok?
yes, they will hunt you, trap you, then showcase you in a torture/snuff movie for a depraved filthy rich middle easter/eastern European/Russian audience. they will kidnap your daughters and sell them to the richest bidder and then you will tell them:
"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you."
Hey man Istanbul is a dangerous city don't go there... They will take your money and throw you in Bosporus to feed the fish. Stay home in America, stay safe.. Ok?
Thanks for the condescension. And be sure to admit that cultural anthropology grad with a 2.5 to your program without looking at his or her portfolio first.
tammuz, let's not spend another minute on this troll. He brought a potentially interesting discussion about preservation, view corridors and issues with old cities to pick pocketing and thievery.. That is where he is at intellectually... But the sad part is that he is clueless and irrelevant.
let's not spend another minute on this troll. He brought a potentially interesting discussion about preservation, view corridors and issues with old cities to pick pocketing and thievery.. That is where he is at intellectually... But the sad part is that he is clueless and irrelevant.
Oh, please, man. The question I asked is one many people would parenthetically ask in a feature on Rio de Janeiro, of which I solicited a lot of opinions before actually going. Also, thanks for arrogantly calling metro Athens a "village," home to almost 5 million, given that Greece is more apt to be discussed in architectural history than Turkey. Greek-Turkish relations have supposedly healed, in case you haven't heard. I can discuss billing multipliers and teaching enough structures courses ... and you can revel in academic intellectualism. How much mileage do you expect to get out of Hagia Sofia? 50 posts?
Tammuz, I guess London makes for all your pretentious prose. The bad thing is that, at least in the past, L.A.'s jaw would drop when they heard a British accent, erroneously according them a level of credibility, and sometimes plum visible (or audible) jobs, such as disc jockeys and other mouthpieces, when they in fact were no more qualified than "home grown" people.
When I say this joke to my Greek friends and relatives we laugh at it together. I say the same joke interchanging my home town Izmir, an ancient port on the Aegean cost.
STFU.
You have not contributed anything relevant to this thread starting from your first post. We were discussing something else. You keep doing this for other threads and people including me, are tired of your stupid observances and irrelevant thread stealing you thief. You have no right to bring down reasonable discussions with irrelevant stuff.
What the fuck do you think gives you a free rain and opportunity to ruin other people's discussion topics. Even this is a public forum, people know the etiquette. If you didn't get it by now, you are either an oblivious jerk or a useless piece of shit. Pick your pick.
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close up.
Respect
preserving this.
First term of arch history: previously a Christian church, Hagia Sofia, when Constantinople, eventually converted into a mosque, something architecturally revolutionary about its (4) "pendant" domes, IIRC, and the symbol of the city. Have never gone east of the Greek isles. Maybe someday. As for the skyscraper moratorium, can't they just enforce a minimum distance, or a buffer zone? Also, if the skyscrapers are relegated to one direction, other vistas of this site would have no interference in the background. Paris put all its skyscrapers at La Defense. OTOH, Philadelphia eventually capitulated to buildings taller than William Penn standing at the top of a spire.
correction: Hagia Sofia is a museum.
^
I think it was that building (1987 vintage +/-) with the layered, triangulated top (nice enough high rise) to surpass Billy Penn. Friends from Philly told me this "rule of thumb." None of them were architects and I never looked it up.
Back to Istanbul ...
It would be impossible to set view corridors in Istanbul since the city set on hills and not based on Cartesian grid.
^
Thank you for the information. The most evocative view, I recall, was looking back at Philadelphia City Hall from the diagonal parkway that headed to the Art Museum.
As for Istanbul, I'd like to go, but have heard that one has to have their wits about them as they go around, more so than in other European cities. I do not know if that is fact or fiction. I wouldn't expect it to feel as tranquil as Athens, where you just wander around on the Metro, without any worries, and surface from the exits to inhale the capital's smog.
Thank you Istanbul. You are beautiful.
Athens...? Comparing it to Istanbul.. Nice little village (or, it used to be before the crash...) Zeus' hometown. Hahaha..
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-309270-istanbuls-traffic-problems-careening-beyond-city-limits.html
Because suppressing vertical development is going to fix this?
view corridors would not be consistent with the nature of istanbul. it really is a dense old organic city with a very prominent character. history is everywhere; there are no particular views to protect. it is a really dense complex city.
however, will the Çamlıca Hill moque , "designed so as to be visible from all parts of Istanbul,” not impose itself on the skyline? istanbul does not have any one domineering building but here comes this one.
also, is it not strange that the restrictions on the tower buildings have been placed near posthumously? is there something fishy (ie political ie not a friend of Erdogan's) going on?
on the way from the airport, i remember seeing bland residential highrise blocks...that might have been on the near outskirts but it did form an initial discordant introduction to the city.
i don't really know but it seems like decisions are being made to reflect the opinions and beliefs of one figure/one party...no? irrespective of whether one is sympathetic to height restrictions on highrise secular projects. the call is coming from the prime minister himself (or at least, he's basking in the easy-to-win empathy for his position on this one venture)- should this not observe and be controlled by municipality regulations (or suchlike?) in the first place? why allow the towers to develop in the first place? the developer said that he was not breaking any laws..is there substance behind that statement?
what we observe of turkish current politics in the region is quite tricky, clever, insiduous and definitely not all benign. i wonder whether the same is true within the country itself.
Vertical development should be suppressed on the periphery of historic peninsula which is one of the many districts of Istanbul. It is a cultural preservation.
In regards to public transportation infrastructure, a third intercontinental bridge is underway and an underwater railroad/metro tunnel is about to open next year, greatly improving public transportation. All these in addition to metrobus and metro systems, ferry network, trams and buses, Not to mention privately owned and widely used large fleets of dolmus and taxis.
City is growing vertically else places. But not always considered danger to iconic silhouette like the earlier images depict.
oh and i loved athens. strangely, i felt more at home in athens than in istanbul. it felt more immediately familiar for some reason. it felt less like one whole city than it did a string of smaller ones/towns. sort of the california of the old world (you definitely need a car to get around). and i get along better with the greeks than with the turks :o) but istanbul is the most robust city i've ever visited. aside from my chit chat above, its not strange that they have kept under control a kind of globalization that would be adverse to them such as these tower blocks. they still drink perch the small turkish coffee cups on these beautifully crafted zarf holders. Respect! we lost that art unfortunately.
tammuz, you are correct in every sense. There are power plays and corruption in every level. But I am happy this might be a legal precedent in future cases.
Athens...? Comparing it to Istanbul.. Nice little village (or, it used to be before the crash...) Zeus' hometown. Hahaha..
I'm only inquiring about riding public transportation (Metro) and general tourist safety from scams. It's sad when Americans put their wallets in their back pockets and ride crowded Metros in any of southern Europe's capitals. Don't they read the travel guides before going? So, it is implicit that Istanbul has a lot of corruption, if other European capitals are any indication, but how safe is it?
Hey man Istanbul is a dangerous city don't go there... They will take your money and throw you in Bosporus to feed the fish. Stay home in America, stay safe.. Ok?
yes, they will hunt you, trap you, then showcase you in a torture/snuff movie for a depraved filthy rich middle easter/eastern European/Russian audience. they will kidnap your daughters and sell them to the richest bidder and then you will tell them:
"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you."
Hey man Istanbul is a dangerous city don't go there... They will take your money and throw you in Bosporus to feed the fish. Stay home in America, stay safe.. Ok?
Thanks for the condescension. And be sure to admit that cultural anthropology grad with a 2.5 to your program without looking at his or her portfolio first.
(un)observant: It's sad when Americans put their wallets in their back pockets and ride crowded Metros in any of southern Europe's capitals.
and that isn't condescending?
tammuz, let's not spend another minute on this troll. He brought a potentially interesting discussion about preservation, view corridors and issues with old cities to pick pocketing and thievery.. That is where he is at intellectually... But the sad part is that he is clueless and irrelevant.
vat a vaste!
let's not spend another minute on this troll. He brought a potentially interesting discussion about preservation, view corridors and issues with old cities to pick pocketing and thievery.. That is where he is at intellectually... But the sad part is that he is clueless and irrelevant.
Oh, please, man. The question I asked is one many people would parenthetically ask in a feature on Rio de Janeiro, of which I solicited a lot of opinions before actually going. Also, thanks for arrogantly calling metro Athens a "village," home to almost 5 million, given that Greece is more apt to be discussed in architectural history than Turkey. Greek-Turkish relations have supposedly healed, in case you haven't heard. I can discuss billing multipliers and teaching enough structures courses ... and you can revel in academic intellectualism. How much mileage do you expect to get out of Hagia Sofia? 50 posts?
Tammuz, I guess London makes for all your pretentious prose. The bad thing is that, at least in the past, L.A.'s jaw would drop when they heard a British accent, erroneously according them a level of credibility, and sometimes plum visible (or audible) jobs, such as disc jockeys and other mouthpieces, when they in fact were no more qualified than "home grown" people.
Go ahead, intellectualize away ...
Listen schmuck, aka, observant.
When I say this joke to my Greek friends and relatives we laugh at it together. I say the same joke interchanging my home town Izmir, an ancient port on the Aegean cost.
STFU.
You have not contributed anything relevant to this thread starting from your first post. We were discussing something else. You keep doing this for other threads and people including me, are tired of your stupid observances and irrelevant thread stealing you thief. You have no right to bring down reasonable discussions with irrelevant stuff.
What the fuck do you think gives you a free rain and opportunity to ruin other people's discussion topics. Even this is a public forum, people know the etiquette. If you didn't get it by now, you are either an oblivious jerk or a useless piece of shit. Pick your pick.
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