Paris, yes Paris, and Berlin have banned smoking from cafes, leading to some very curious interventions by competitive proprietors. (pic after the jump). | bbc
Michael Windisch has installed a "smoking point" in his restaurant
I will miss being served by barmen who could take your order, mix/pour a drink, and tell you how much you owe him, all without removing the cigarette from his mouth.
won't this then encourage people to smoke in the streets? I know quitting is the answer, but when you have to pass a corridor of smokers with their blue haze just to get in the bar/pub/restaurant what is the point?
i remember hearing after LA and Dublin banned smoking through the protests of smokers and bar/restaurant owners, that there were not subsequent major complaints from smoker, and there was more business at bars/restaurants - if i remember correctly, it was pretty strong factual data - if that is true, i am surprised how slow other cities/countries have failed to adapt...oh, wait, the tobacco lobbyists...
steve - lets not do this again - go to the smokless bar but dont tell me what or what not to do with my body. If you dont want to be exposed in the workplace than dont work there. This debate already has a thread of its own.
I hate to say it but I think smokers have the right to discriminate against nonsmokers. We should be able to ban YOU from our places of assembly just as you have us.
Im tired of the do gooders making laws with bullshit exscuses like second hand smoke kills bartenders - yeah prob like .0009 % who were already sickly alchoholics. Theyre hiding behind tweaked facts for the simple reason they dont like your smoke and rathert than comprimise theyre pushing theyre way on everyone else. Soon soda, then french fries. Wake up people, the fucking Nazis are here.
I saw this giant fat bitch on the news talking about how working as a waitress in a bar gave her cancer. Shes 35. I doubt it was the cause, but maybe she was genetically predisposed, or maybe she was just a fat bitch. Maybe we should tax her big ass for being full of trans fats and corn syrup.
So why do they blanket cover regions so that no one has an unfair biz advantage if therers no impact?
Secondhand smoke is dangerous to employees.
OK. In what dosage, duration and Proximity? Sawdust is classified as a carcinogen too.
Smokers impinge on the rights of nonsmokers to breathe clean air.
Not true. Non smokers can go to a non smoking environment. If they want to go to a smoking environment than its up to the proprietor to decide what type of customer they want. I ask you, do you like variety in your foods and music? Do you think someone who only likes bistro French should go to china town and demand all the chinese places turn french? No because thats fucking selfish and you nonsmokers wouldnt be a bunch of selfish pricks would you?
Hey this is really big. I mean BIG... No smoking in restaurants, bars and stadiums is now law in Turkey... Most people there, refer cigarette and tobacco as their 'best friend.'
Government gives 8 months to adjust to new law.
We are talking about possible riots...
* A personal experience;
There used to be smoking section in Turkish Airlines but instead smoking restricted to back of the plane like the other airlines, it was right or left side of aisle in the aircraft.
everyone in my old office smoked. 15 smokers and me in an unventilated room 16 hours a day 6 days a week, and they all chain smoked. i became ill, natch. they were/are nice guys, but it was totally hard on my bod. i road a bike to work every day so they just thought the non-smoking thing was part of the weirdness. i didn't complain, but it wasn't nice.
anyway, one of the 15 died of cancer, which started in his throat and tongue, and another 2 have cancer now and who knows if they will survive...or if if it is related...but the ceiling of the office which was nominally white once, is now a sickly yellow-brown, and has been for a few years. that, my friends is an imposition. it just is.
too funny orhan.
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I will miss being served by barmen who could take your order, mix/pour a drink, and tell you how much you owe him, all without removing the cigarette from his mouth.
illinois -- smoke ban as of 1 jan 08 -- london since july -- its great!
louisville's '07 ban (since july) WAS great. courts struck it down just before christmas, so now the smoke pollution has returned for '08.
won't this then encourage people to smoke in the streets? I know quitting is the answer, but when you have to pass a corridor of smokers with their blue haze just to get in the bar/pub/restaurant what is the point?
Finally! And also in Portugal all over the country smoking as been banned! It's a big step forward
i remember hearing after LA and Dublin banned smoking through the protests of smokers and bar/restaurant owners, that there were not subsequent major complaints from smoker, and there was more business at bars/restaurants - if i remember correctly, it was pretty strong factual data - if that is true, i am surprised how slow other cities/countries have failed to adapt...oh, wait, the tobacco lobbyists...
Retrograde Puritanical Laws
i'm no puritan, but i like to breathe, and i like to go out, and cig smoke is pollution. are litter laws also retrograde and puritanical?
steve - lets not do this again - go to the smokless bar but dont tell me what or what not to do with my body. If you dont want to be exposed in the workplace than dont work there. This debate already has a thread of its own.
yay, finally!
I hate to say it but I think smokers have the right to discriminate against nonsmokers. We should be able to ban YOU from our places of assembly just as you have us.
Im tired of the do gooders making laws with bullshit exscuses like second hand smoke kills bartenders - yeah prob like .0009 % who were already sickly alchoholics. Theyre hiding behind tweaked facts for the simple reason they dont like your smoke and rathert than comprimise theyre pushing theyre way on everyone else. Soon soda, then french fries. Wake up people, the fucking Nazis are here.
And I aint taking this shit much longer
I saw this giant fat bitch on the news talking about how working as a waitress in a bar gave her cancer. Shes 35. I doubt it was the cause, but maybe she was genetically predisposed, or maybe she was just a fat bitch. Maybe we should tax her big ass for being full of trans fats and corn syrup.
woah...
Smoking bans dont impact business:
So why do they blanket cover regions so that no one has an unfair biz advantage if therers no impact?
Secondhand smoke is dangerous to employees.
OK. In what dosage, duration and Proximity? Sawdust is classified as a carcinogen too.
Smokers impinge on the rights of nonsmokers to breathe clean air.
Not true. Non smokers can go to a non smoking environment. If they want to go to a smoking environment than its up to the proprietor to decide what type of customer they want. I ask you, do you like variety in your foods and music? Do you think someone who only likes bistro French should go to china town and demand all the chinese places turn french? No because thats fucking selfish and you nonsmokers wouldnt be a bunch of selfish pricks would you?
At 10:10 am evilplatypus said "steve - lets not do this again [...] This debate already has a thread of its own." Word.
bring it cock suckers -
Hello chip, meet shoulder. Shoulder, chip.
Dubbers, you just made me chuckle aloud. Thanks.
smokers have the freedom to stay at home and invite their buddies. evilplatypus, it is you that want to impose your deadly habit on the rest of us.
ep, the public cocksucking ban also went into effect in chicago on new years eve at midnite. just like the smoking ban. what timing.
oh well...makes it easier to make a move on somebody at that bar though doesn't it?
Hey this is really big. I mean BIG... No smoking in restaurants, bars and stadiums is now law in Turkey... Most people there, refer cigarette and tobacco as their 'best friend.'
Government gives 8 months to adjust to new law.
We are talking about possible riots...
* A personal experience;
There used to be smoking section in Turkish Airlines but instead smoking restricted to back of the plane like the other airlines, it was right or left side of aisle in the aircraft.
Alls I knows is: Don't get between EvilP and his nicotine.
...and his carcinogens.
everyone in my old office smoked. 15 smokers and me in an unventilated room 16 hours a day 6 days a week, and they all chain smoked. i became ill, natch. they were/are nice guys, but it was totally hard on my bod. i road a bike to work every day so they just thought the non-smoking thing was part of the weirdness. i didn't complain, but it wasn't nice.
anyway, one of the 15 died of cancer, which started in his throat and tongue, and another 2 have cancer now and who knows if they will survive...or if if it is related...but the ceiling of the office which was nominally white once, is now a sickly yellow-brown, and has been for a few years. that, my friends is an imposition. it just is.
too funny orhan.
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