Brooklyn park delineates class lines, as beautiful views will be draped with "chicago-effect" high rise buildings which pay for the parks creation. NYT
What exactly do you mean by "Chicago-effect"?
It seems to me that Chicago has had the drop on NYC in terms of waterfront openness and egalitarianism for well over 100 or so years.
I understand this highly stressed portion of the chicago shoreline does not swell with space. However north and south of this stretch, which is practically the heart of downtown, significant planning has created a singularly successful waterfront relationship not seen in many major urban situations.
perhaps, but what if that line of buildings didn't exist before - the postion is this formation of new buildings for primarily the upper class creates a division between who benefits from the development the most. I think success is in the eye of the beholder especially when discussing the brooklyn location.
here is a juxtaposition to your outlook on chicago from the good people at the seminary co-op
Time: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:00 PM
Location: 57th Street Books
Title of Event: Ojikutu & Dills—Chicago Noir
Under Daley II, Chicago has spent a lot of time and money marketing itself as a tourist-friendly place for the whole family. It's got the shiny new Millennium Park, a spaceship in the middle of Soldier Field, and ever-growing numbers of identical faux-brick condos. But the rough-and-tumble city’s not gone. The hard-bitten streets of Farrell and Algren may have shifted locales, and they may be populated by different ethnicities, but Chicago is still a place where people struggle to survive and where, for many, crime is the only means for their survival. The 18 original stories in Chicago Noir reclaim that territory. Chicago Noir is populated by hired killers and jazzmen, drunks and dreamers, corrupt cops and ticket scalpers and junkies. It's the Chicago that the Department of Tourism doesn't want you to see. Bayo Ojikutu is a native Chicagoan, an instructor at DePaul, and the author of 47th Street Black; Todd Dills is a Chicagoan by choice, and the editor of THE2NDHAND.
I'm fairly confidant my outlook of Chicago is well informed. Walking its street for 18 years probably earned me that right.
"Urbs in Horto" - "City in a Garden"
I don't suppose this is on the City Seal because it's a meaningless and unappreciated aspiration.
I will admit Chicago has a very poor per capita park ratio, but reserving the shore for the public has produced significant benefits. If a portion of that shore suffers from the "Central Park Effect" it is unfortunate, but in large part prevented from ever happening again outside of a small area downtown.
New York and the HRPT have done a tremendous job reclaiming the Hudson shore, without uneccessary building construction, this should be used as a precedent. I essentially agree with you that non-park related building should be limited as much as possible in the Brooklyn park. I only disagree with the use of Chicago as a negative precedent. There are many successes that can be learned from...criminal ones notwithstanding!
I'm not necessarily deeming Chicago’s park districts as a negative precedent, as I am the wall of buildings which separates the lakeshore with the rest of the city - this isn't necessarily good urbanism whether you lived here for 18 years or not. In addition, Chicago’s polluted river and lake front with its constant beach closures from e coli and mercury contamination, and its position in my view as one of the most segregated cities in the US aren't very favorable as a model for anywhere much less NYC which is more integrated, egalitarian, and progressive than Chicago ever will be...
in addition, it seems to me you are a hapless victim of second city syndrome, a condition that when you hear anything about chicago-new york comparison you immedately begin a chest thumbing ritual of why chicago matters which misses my original point in the first place in characterizing an article in NYTimes on Brooklyn's transformation.
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What exactly do you mean by "Chicago-effect"?
It seems to me that Chicago has had the drop on NYC in terms of waterfront openness and egalitarianism for well over 100 or so years.
the chicago effect is a common term for a line of high rise density that travels down the periphery of a body of water - like this
I understand this highly stressed portion of the chicago shoreline does not swell with space. However north and south of this stretch, which is practically the heart of downtown, significant planning has created a singularly successful waterfront relationship not seen in many major urban situations.
http://www.alumni-world.com/snuaachicago/images/public%20images/chicago-waterfront-park.jpg
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perhaps, but what if that line of buildings didn't exist before - the postion is this formation of new buildings for primarily the upper class creates a division between who benefits from the development the most. I think success is in the eye of the beholder especially when discussing the brooklyn location.
here is a juxtaposition to your outlook on chicago from the good people at the seminary co-op
Time: Thursday, September 22, 2005 7:00 PM
Location: 57th Street Books
Title of Event: Ojikutu & Dills—Chicago Noir
Under Daley II, Chicago has spent a lot of time and money marketing itself as a tourist-friendly place for the whole family. It's got the shiny new Millennium Park, a spaceship in the middle of Soldier Field, and ever-growing numbers of identical faux-brick condos. But the rough-and-tumble city’s not gone. The hard-bitten streets of Farrell and Algren may have shifted locales, and they may be populated by different ethnicities, but Chicago is still a place where people struggle to survive and where, for many, crime is the only means for their survival. The 18 original stories in Chicago Noir reclaim that territory. Chicago Noir is populated by hired killers and jazzmen, drunks and dreamers, corrupt cops and ticket scalpers and junkies. It's the Chicago that the Department of Tourism doesn't want you to see. Bayo Ojikutu is a native Chicagoan, an instructor at DePaul, and the author of 47th Street Black; Todd Dills is a Chicagoan by choice, and the editor of THE2NDHAND.
I'm fairly confidant my outlook of Chicago is well informed. Walking its street for 18 years probably earned me that right.
"Urbs in Horto" - "City in a Garden"
I don't suppose this is on the City Seal because it's a meaningless and unappreciated aspiration.
I will admit Chicago has a very poor per capita park ratio, but reserving the shore for the public has produced significant benefits. If a portion of that shore suffers from the "Central Park Effect" it is unfortunate, but in large part prevented from ever happening again outside of a small area downtown.
New York and the HRPT have done a tremendous job reclaiming the Hudson shore, without uneccessary building construction, this should be used as a precedent. I essentially agree with you that non-park related building should be limited as much as possible in the Brooklyn park. I only disagree with the use of Chicago as a negative precedent. There are many successes that can be learned from...criminal ones notwithstanding!
I'm not necessarily deeming Chicago’s park districts as a negative precedent, as I am the wall of buildings which separates the lakeshore with the rest of the city - this isn't necessarily good urbanism whether you lived here for 18 years or not. In addition, Chicago’s polluted river and lake front with its constant beach closures from e coli and mercury contamination, and its position in my view as one of the most segregated cities in the US aren't very favorable as a model for anywhere much less NYC which is more integrated, egalitarian, and progressive than Chicago ever will be...
in addition, it seems to me you are a hapless victim of second city syndrome, a condition that when you hear anything about chicago-new york comparison you immedately begin a chest thumbing ritual of why chicago matters which misses my original point in the first place in characterizing an article in NYTimes on Brooklyn's transformation.
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