The mosque was built on an archaeological site dating back to 8th century BC and is said to be the burial place of the prophet, who in stories from both the Bible and Qur’an is swallowed by a whale.
It was renovated in the 1990s under Iraq’s late dictator Saddam Hussein and until the recent militant blitz that engulfed Mosul, remained a popular destination for religious pilgrims from around the world.
— arabnews.com
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Should we now cry for the "Iraq’s late dictator" who renovated the site or for the US who took him out with "Operation Iraqi Liberation"
Americans need to stop waxing their cocks, chugging supersized coke and burping profanities of their inner selfishness keeping their "need" above the world's other inhabitants.
I am tired of US fighting wars, destroying lives in places most can't even show on the map and losing. Losing my tax money to corporate profiteering and creating nothing but tragic news.
And, to those radicalized "creatures" who in the name of Islam committing crimes that have no place in the book. Go to the bottom of hell damn you!
Where are you from? You sound very smart.
I thought Muslims didn't drink....Mercia!!!
when i read the article, it appeared that it was not the US that destroyed this church. perhaps if the US stayed in iraq longer as a stabilizing force, losing more of your tax money, this could have been prevented?
you can have the coke, but the cock waxing stays. not negotiable.
Most americans can do all those things at the same time. You underestimate us.
Dumbsquad is tailgating me. America's fanatical defenders. Warmonger types who eschew the self critical analysis for the love of their cocks. Probably would want to fuck my mom too.
i don't understand that comment orhan (except of course the cocks part)
this was your post under the archinect moniker? it wasn't really you that the dumbsquad was tailgating, but rather the site then, wasn't it?
aren't you an american now? at least living in america? is it really that bad to defend the country that supports you? is your new thing going to be to hate people that don't hate america? at least tammuz doesn't live in america while hating us.
who's warmongering? maybe i really missed the point you were hoping would get across, but i see an article about muslim fighters destroying a church that pretty much nobody, including most muslims, would want to see destroyed. the article, and i think everyone that posted here, are opposed to the warmongering.
of course i have no idea who your mom is, but if you want to post pics....
very tea party.
btw, after seeing your picture my mom thinks you are better fit for this. go ahead entertain yourself.
i believe that is a pleko. i actually have one of those, but don't use it for the intent you seem to be suggesting. thanks for contributing useful comments to the discussion.
you are welcome. i am glad you finally got to the bottom of it.
i don't hate you, curtkram. I hate what your elites do around the world. I had your country's history. But I don't hate americans. In fact, I happen to think that on the average that they're much friendlier than some stuck up Europeans.
But its nice to see that spiteful McCarthyism is well alive. Hounding US nationalized people for having a critical point of view of the US. Let me remind you that all of you, excepting the indigenous people of the Americas, "came" to America. At least Orhan's ancestors didn't have to come, kill and oppress the natives in order to make the place his home.
As for the ISIL, Good morning people. They've been destroying churches, christian sites and shiite mosques and sites. In between, they take a break and eat people's organs (I will not post a link owing to the visual gruesomeness).
Tammuz, I'd say about 90% of Americans have ancestors that came here well after the natives were killed. Most Americans have ancestors that were late 19th early 20th century immigrants. Even if we did have a direct blood line leading back to the slavetraders should we still bear responsibility for what complete strangers did hundreds of years ago? For that matter why not go way back. Should I feel bad that my ancestors possibly attended the gladiator fights in Rome.
canada is also a nation of immigrants, and if i understand correctly, people sharing orhan's race once desired making the palestinian area a homogenous turkish nation.
i don't hate much of anyone, and certainly don't hate any nation, nationality, or religion. i would not want to live my life filled with the kind of hate you seem to carry, as it would cloud my judgement, make me easily manipulated, and give me an ulcer. the reason i don't read your posts when they're about hating america, killing jews, or destroying israel, is because they're predictably marketing material you're just forwarding on from some hate group. watch the people who read your posts, and they're posts become more hate-filled even in other topics. that shit gets into you and changes who you are. i don't want to be that person.
orhan is reduced to making mom jokes. come on now, that's just not right.
Orhan has exactly as much responsibility for the plight of the native Americans as I do being a third generation american. My grandfather did not kill Indians he worked in a sweat shop in East NY.
Did I say that jla-x? No.If yuo do feel guilty though, thats your business. If you don't, thats your business as well.
But if one is going to, in any way, malign relative newcomer's belonging and right to criticize their (shared) country - and the right to dislike its foreign and internal policies and to criticize them are a right in a democratic state- it might be good to reflect on the fact that they are, in the eyes of the primordial residents of these lands, just as much newcomers. the only difference being that, again, Orhan's ancestors didn't have to commit genocides in order to find footing in America. I didn't say you should or should not feel guilty. But, what I am suggesting is that no one here should certainly be trying to make Orhan feel guilty or raise one iota of doubt about their rights to practice criticism AND their right of being in the US -which some nationalist hooligans here are starting to get worked up by. Aight?
if what i said previously came across as overly-offensive to orhan i apologize. i like orhan, he's had some great contributions to this site that i truly appreciate. i'm glad he can live where he wants without having to commit genocide. it was only the specific comments relating to the dumbsquad, fanatical defenders, and warmongers that i take issue with (probably because i misunderstand his intent; i'll be the first to admit it could be misinterpretation on my part). also, i personally would prefer him to rise above 'fuck my mom' comments, though i wouldn't deny him the right to continue making those comments if he chooses.
At least Orhan's ancestors didn't have to come, kill and oppress the natives in order to make the place his home.
I was responding to that...who said mine did? Most of us are basically no different from orhan. just about every other nation that I can think of also has a bloody and tragic history.
Orhan's ancestors didn't have to commit genocides in order to find footing in America
If he is Turkish his ancestors were either the targets of genocide or the perpitrators of genocide (by that logic). Im sure you know about the history of the Armenians.
But, what I am suggesting is that no one here should certainly be trying to make Orhan feel guilty or raise one iota of doubt about their rights to practice criticism AND their right of being in the US -which some nationalist hooligans here are starting to get worked up by. Aight?
Some people were just pointing out the hypocracy. Orhan has every right to critique America...I was simply stating that Orhan Is American...and that I am no more responsible for the native American genocide than he is.
You were not being addressed jla-x. My comments came pursuant to someone else's attack on Orhan specifically in relation to the US. When I need to grow a tail, Ill inform you. Till then, kindly contextualize my comments within the post. When the armenian genocide does present itself as a topic, we could discuss that (and personally, knowing many armenians, I completely believe that Turkey should address this historical open wound)
does orhan really need you defend him? i hold a higher opinion of him than that.
I know this off topic, but tammuz what do you do for a living? How do you find time to make money to pay the bills?..........curtram you are probably wasting your time with this tammuz kid, if you agree he tells you why you should not and if you disagree you are a hatefull person. .oddly enough though as tammuz became more calm and collected lately in his critiques of whatever - the led signal light went bizerk.
Let me remind you that all of you, excepting the indigenous people of the Americas, "came" to America. At least Orhan's ancestors didn't have to come, kill and oppress the natives in order to make the place his home
Tammuz, I wasn't really arguing/attacking you. I was just addressing this statement that you made, and the overall (lumpy) tone of orhan in his above comment. You separated orhan from "us" but that is impossible because you do not know "us." By separating orhan, you lumped us together into some stereotypical American. It's assumptions like this that feed into a reductionist fallacy - Sure some people came here and killed the native americans, but those people are long dead and there are very few present day americans that have ancestors that can trace back to that...Most of "us" are more like orhan in reality.
This is the picture of my mom when she was in elementary school. We are from Levant. The sea, specially Aegean Sea, means a lot to our family and friends. We are very accustom to live with other races, religions and traditions which we equally respect and enjoy.
I make no secret about Armenian Genocide and there are thousands of people like me in Turkey. I am courageous enough to come to face it. I joined many grassroots groups and signed many petitions for government to recognize the Armenian Genocide and come to terms with it. I could easily say it was 100 years ago and I have nothing to do with it.
I feel responsible, partially as a human being for the annihilation of Native Americans. I traveled many Indian reservations in the West and truly shamed as a human being what they had to put up with.
I came to United states in 1975 as a lone traveling and seeking late teenager with no family. This was probably before many of you were born. The world was much more peaceful than now except Vietnam War. Many of my friends were people at my age and who just came back from Vietnam. You could, like many of beat generation did travel with your magic bus to Nepal starting from London or Amsterdam. After spending the winter in Istanbul people continued thorough Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and eventually end up in Kathmandu spending time with beautiful people who welcomed them with open arms and fascination. I grew up in this environment of beauty. Not like most of you who grew up with violent computer war games and movies where people blow up each other to a constant annoying machine gun sound.
Here is my story and views on life here and American people as it was told few years ago.
I am open minded and critical of my adopted home, if you claim to be an American, you sometimes need to look in the mirror and see what your government, people and culture is up to. We all should be self critical instead of fanatically defend things we know very little about.
What's your story?
Have a good night.
Did I say that your immediate ancestors jla-x were responsbile?
The suggestion - you read it incorrectly- is that if you judging other Americans on the basis of who came first and who came second (via that ugly condescending "aren't you American now" barrage by curtkram) , thinking that you were in any way more primordially endowed to judge others, more primordially US American (having a longer history there and/or going back to the early colonies and/or harkening back to the european colonial origin), then perhaps it would be good to reflect on what primordial US American means for the authocthonic people of the Americas. And, on that basis, I think being non-primordial seems like a relief.
curtkram: and if i understand correctly, people sharing orhan's race once desired making the palestinian area a homogenous turkish nation.
I would like to say that I am very surprised by how little you know and yet how much confidence you show in exposing your ignorance. But I'm not- you prove it over and over again.
led signal light, you are a true humanist.
It is with their ignorance, hubris and arrogance that these individuals stare on to others.
Someone in some other post called Palestine a "desert land". I mean, Palestine..not just the biblical Palestine, not the mythical one...but right dead center in the cradle of civilization...and they call it a "desert land". Eh....what can one say?
Orhan, that's a beautiful story and I agree with your point about being critical of ones own country. I have always been critical and I never eluded to anything that would suggest otherwise. I think that being critical of the US is the most "American" thing one can do because that's the first step towards positive change. Anyway, I hope I did not offend you and if I did my apologies. I was getting frustrated that you were accusing me of things that I never said. And, ya I'm kind of jealous that I wasn't born during that Generation. You are lucky for being able to experience that era.
As for the Native American thing...you are absolutely correct. While I bear no direct lineage to these atrocities, I do feel shame, sadness, empathy as a human. This is what I was trying to say but maybe didn't express myself clearly. When people spew blanket statements about "you Americans" it is extremely counterproductive. My point is/was that there is no "you Americans" because we are very very diverse which you already know.
My favorite Soundcloud.com of Archinect blip is Orhan's interview, pretty cool story, it's the kind of narrative that makes you love America and LA.
With that said, I'm starting to pinpoint the language/cultural issue here - it's about humor. I know that sounds bad with all the shit going on, but it comes down to humor.
I'm a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) who is 1/16 Native American, my great grandmother had like 4 names, making Ancestry.com search complicated...
I've known many Turks or related people and have had friends from Yemen to Syria, and in general I have very good Persian and orthodox Jewish connections when it comes to business.
One of my favorite fiction authors is Sadeq Hedayat, right up there with Kurt Vonnegut. The manner in which people talk about Sadeq's literature is another sign of significant cultural differences. The Persians and Iranian nationals, Mulism, and Iranian Zoroastrians try to push him into a political or historical camp, but to a WASP that's like making Albert Camus be French or Algerian - both irrelevant and bullshit - Camus wrote about the modern condition...Sadeq...I am dedicating a blog to him - when Olaf dies....anyway...
On the macho level we WASP's are eye to eye with Mediterraneans. I'm corn fed American benching 265lbs x 10 these days, but on a humor level I am certain there is a disconnect.
A couple examples:
#1- In undergrad I made a joke about a Turkish friend's mother. As I sat down an exacto knife flew over my head. He and I were and are still cool - but Exacto knife overhead? I didn't know his mother and nor would I care if he said anything about my mother, because my Father would kick his ass if he talked too much shit, and frankly my mother and I didn't always agree. The mother-son relationship is a little more Spartan for us WASPs, a little less honor and a little more discontent.
#2 - My wife and I were in Turkey and a group of guys came up and started hitting on my wife...calling her as beautiful as their sister, and one whack job (the other Turkish cats were laughing at this douche) said my wife reminded him of his girlfriend who died in his arms in battle. A friend of similar culture pointed out this is the pack of Jackyls, apparently a standard maneuver for intimidation. It's macho beyond what a WASP wants to deal with. I'm just fine with calling the police or letting the guys beat the shit out of me, my wife can make her own decisions, if she wants bigger macho men, go for it.
#3- Lastly, I am constantly make sarcastic jokes with folks from that area, and they never get the sarcasm. Us WASPs make fun of our Gods like the Greeks. Satanic Verses anyone? Danish comic strips on Allah? Why any of that shit is offensive is beyond me, its funny.
Because I'm a WASP, I actually don't like myself. This is how we are conditioned and as history will tell you - we are the assholes, or in short related to the last great empire - Britain. We expect the same humor from other cultures, who in general have been fighting WASP's for centuries. No one is ever considered racist, sexist, etc...if they hate on WASPy males.
I think this is what it ultimately boils down to - humor.
The pissing matches are all about not understanding the absurdity of the importance put on one position or category or emotion over another.
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