Safe, sleek, inoffensive corporate architecture is offered that does little to elevate the conversation about the kind of large-scale civic architecture we want or need in downtown and region.
Safe, sleek, inoffensive corporate architecture is offered that does little to elevate the conversation about the kind of large-scale civic architecture we want or need in downtown and region.
It would be nice to know what kind of detailed transportation plans are in the drawings for these stadiums in relevance to greater Los Angeles. The proposed location is one of the worst bottlenecks in the area already. Imagine events in Staples Center and Stadium in the same time, nevermind the Convention Center events.
AEG wants you to get in their mega sports compound in the middle of congested downtown and spend your money on basketball, football, beer, costly entertainment, gifts, etc, etc.
But at the end, people will pay with many problems, like getting from Santa Monica freeway to I-5 in two hours, most of it spent on 10 and 110 intersection. But heck, "build it they will come.."
I agree with Christopher, these are conventional stadiums, plopped on the existing infrastructure with over optimistic EIRs to come..
i agree it would be a traffic nightmare, but the good thing is nfl football is only played on sunday, and perhaps it will spur discussion about transit solutions.
it would be an interesting proposition to use the stadium parking as a commuter rail hub for east west (10) commute via the expo line. the 7th/metro hub is in an inconvenient and culturally dead place. moving it to la live would do a lot for downtown. not to say la live is culturally interesting, but it could stand to be a little more convenient by not having to pay a lot for parking.
"Rather than tapping into that kind of design talent, AEG, in collaboration with the project management firm Icon Venue Group, solicited designs in a narrow architectural range, from firms that tend to produce stadiums indistinguishable from the work of their closest competitors."
Without working for AEG, all I can assume is that like many proposal-based projects, firms with prior experience of a similar building type generally get preference over the other firms. It tends be to difficult for offices with little to no related experience to compete. Considering the relatively "safe" route AEG has gone with the other buildings in the complex, it's not surprising that they would want to select anything that would compete architecturally.
All of these proposals seem to indicate that the stadium would irradiate the entire north wing/concourse of the convention center. There doesn't seem to be much discussion about what effects that would have. Would we be building a stadium that would then displace large conventions (LA Auto Show) to other venues?
I agree with dot. There really was a missed opportunity with the expo extension in not expanding the small Pico station to tie into the AEG development. There is potential, whether we like the Architecture or not, for this entire development to be a hub of financial capital for the city - certainly a fair amount of tourist spending - and not reinforcing that with the public transit is an embarrassment. Although it's only a block away, a distance of one block in downtown LA can really be a huge difference.
This station now serves both the blue and the expo/black line (are they going to keep calling it expo to avoid sounding racist?) so there is the ridership to do more than a mid-track station. It would make the most sense to move the station up 2 blocks to the corner of 11th and Flower where the track is already underground. All that stands between the main AEG corridor and the station is an empty parking lot, which logically would be the new station/transit hub. Considering the AEG office is on the corner, it would be a win for them as well.
For a cultural and historical look at the origins of play and later sport read Johan Huizinga's 1938 HOMO LUDENS aka Man the player. A great read and a favorite book.
Religion has its fervor, Nations have patriotism, Sports has fanatics. The banality of sports stadium designs reflect the stupid cheering and team identification inherent in sports that parallels god and country. No wonder stadiums are used for mass rally containers for patriotic and religious events. The individual is lost in some a colossal group sink hole.
I propose NO stadium.
eric chavkin
Dec 22, 10 1:13 pm ·
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It would be nice to know what kind of detailed transportation plans are in the drawings for these stadiums in relevance to greater Los Angeles. The proposed location is one of the worst bottlenecks in the area already. Imagine events in Staples Center and Stadium in the same time, nevermind the Convention Center events.
AEG wants you to get in their mega sports compound in the middle of congested downtown and spend your money on basketball, football, beer, costly entertainment, gifts, etc, etc.
But at the end, people will pay with many problems, like getting from Santa Monica freeway to I-5 in two hours, most of it spent on 10 and 110 intersection. But heck, "build it they will come.."
I agree with Christopher, these are conventional stadiums, plopped on the existing infrastructure with over optimistic EIRs to come..
i agree it would be a traffic nightmare, but the good thing is nfl football is only played on sunday, and perhaps it will spur discussion about transit solutions.
it would be an interesting proposition to use the stadium parking as a commuter rail hub for east west (10) commute via the expo line. the 7th/metro hub is in an inconvenient and culturally dead place. moving it to la live would do a lot for downtown. not to say la live is culturally interesting, but it could stand to be a little more convenient by not having to pay a lot for parking.
"Rather than tapping into that kind of design talent, AEG, in collaboration with the project management firm Icon Venue Group, solicited designs in a narrow architectural range, from firms that tend to produce stadiums indistinguishable from the work of their closest competitors."
Without working for AEG, all I can assume is that like many proposal-based projects, firms with prior experience of a similar building type generally get preference over the other firms. It tends be to difficult for offices with little to no related experience to compete. Considering the relatively "safe" route AEG has gone with the other buildings in the complex, it's not surprising that they would want to select anything that would compete architecturally.
All of these proposals seem to indicate that the stadium would irradiate the entire north wing/concourse of the convention center. There doesn't seem to be much discussion about what effects that would have. Would we be building a stadium that would then displace large conventions (LA Auto Show) to other venues?
I agree with dot. There really was a missed opportunity with the expo extension in not expanding the small Pico station to tie into the AEG development. There is potential, whether we like the Architecture or not, for this entire development to be a hub of financial capital for the city - certainly a fair amount of tourist spending - and not reinforcing that with the public transit is an embarrassment. Although it's only a block away, a distance of one block in downtown LA can really be a huge difference.
This station now serves both the blue and the expo/black line (are they going to keep calling it expo to avoid sounding racist?) so there is the ridership to do more than a mid-track station. It would make the most sense to move the station up 2 blocks to the corner of 11th and Flower where the track is already underground. All that stands between the main AEG corridor and the station is an empty parking lot, which logically would be the new station/transit hub. Considering the AEG office is on the corner, it would be a win for them as well.
Fucking terrible shit. Its is fitting, however for the monstrosity that is LA Live.
For a cultural and historical look at the origins of play and later sport read Johan Huizinga's 1938 HOMO LUDENS aka Man the player. A great read and a favorite book.
eric chavkin
Religion has its fervor, Nations have patriotism, Sports has fanatics. The banality of sports stadium designs reflect the stupid cheering and team identification inherent in sports that parallels god and country. No wonder stadiums are used for mass rally containers for patriotic and religious events. The individual is lost in some a colossal group sink hole.
I propose NO stadium.
eric chavkin
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