I'm a Colorado (front range) native, been living in inner city Portland, OR for about 10 years. Family, kids, lack of sun, and a love of mountains and light fluffy snow are calling me back to CO.
Don't want to go back to suburban front range.
Feel like I'll need to live in Denver for any remotely urban architecture / lifestyle.
I'm worried if I live in the mountains I'll be expected to design the bad log home knock offs that proliferate CO architect web sites.
In the time I've spent in Denver I'd wonder why I'd leave Portland for that?
Has anyone out there made a similar move?
Is anyone living in a mountain town and love their job?
Are there any architects in mountain towns that can afford the cost of living near their workplace?
Are there any cities / architecture firms I should check out in CO?
Should I just stay in P-town?
I'd love to hear all your thoughts.
Thanks.
I love Portland. The only two drawbacks are the weather and the state government. When will they realize they can't rely on property tax and state tax to provide civil services? but that's for another thread. Grew up in the Bay Area, went to U of O and now live in Boston and Portland would be my choice to live in permanently. Housing is still fairly cheap, you're 2 hours from the coast AND the mountian(s), some of the best wine comes from Oregon, it's got a great culture of music, art/architecture and beer brewing and best of all, one of the best urban master planning departments in the city. out side of the MAX going East instead of West, METRO has done a great job managing and planning the growth of the metro area and the gentrification of the core city. I love that the city is a managable size and very walkable (one thing I LOVE about Boston). As you mentioned family, i can see there being an issue with the schools. My best friend is a teacher in Beaverton and the state funding for schools is atrocious (afore mentioned state government issues).
Sorry, for the lack of denver info, my only experience has been spending the night at the airport...twice.
Last time I checked, Portland had some fairly impressive mountains nearby. Any reason you couldn't live in the mountains somewhere outside Portland and commute into the city?
Portland is an awesome little city. If NYC was no longer an option for me, I'd probably head to either PDX or Seattle.
i just moved (this fall) from central colorado to seattle. the only city i'd move back to in colorado (at least right now) is denver. union station/lodo area isn't bad - and the light rail is in full force there now which might provide a broader array of living options that would still give you access to the urban lifestyle of downtown. i don't think that it compares well w/ portland overall but there are plenty of cool things going on that could be found if you're willing to look...
on another note i might consider fort collins - but it would really have to be the right job. it's still a small town...
My neighbor has 3 chickens. Rosie (the chicken) was (she died) really frindly, she'd come inside the house if you left the door open and walks around our courtyard and lets you pick her up. Urban chickens... fresh eggs?
Portland is the most literate city in the nation? Wow. I guess that makes me the most illiterate person in town.
I don't know anything about Colorado 8|
There's a guy on here that has a firm up in Whistler... I think his username is whistler... he seems to be doing OK.
We have nice mountains here but they don't get any less rain... unless you head out to Bend I suppose the climate there is more like Colorado, high desert, sunny but cold snowy winters, but you're not really close to Portland then.
Glad you like the photo... It was taken in the Opal Creek Wilderness Area, where the Little North Santiam River flows through a spectacular gorge. It's maybe a 90-minute drive outside of Portland.
Thanks to mining claims dating back to the 1800's, the area was never logged, and it's one of the few old-growth forests left in Oregon. The trees in that canyon are enormous. More photos here.
P.S. Opal creek is great. I grew up in salem, we used to go to Little North Fork in the summers and go swimming. Good times. Thanks for bringing back the memories LIG
studio b does some nice mountainy stuff in Aspen... if you don't mind the opulence.
Denver has some nice pockets. I like North Denver for a bit of real life / neighborhoods. But it's almost completely gentrified by now. I've been thinking about Fort Collins as up and coming. And also wondering about smaller town living in Southern Colorado. So many beautiful places in the Colorado mountains and ranges.
The sprawl / mall scenario has taken over the front range, but this gives another kind of challenge - how do we deal with that in the coming years? I think the region could really use some good architects and planners to tackle that problem and think creatively about positive transformation.
good luck finding a firm in colorado doing truly ecologically sound design. Lived in the mountains for the summers and all my friends who lived out of the back of their trucks said I should just do freelance architecture gigs to have time to ski and raft. All the small mountain towns that are exploding with retiring frontrangers and older new-money texans have architects to design their dream homes or condos that clog the rivers and hills. Most of these people should probably stay where they came from, but they are there with money to spend. I'd like to think that there are architects in Denver or maybe even up in the hills who are engaged in sound design practices that won't ruin that gorgeous state. I just haven't found them yet. If you are looking for any kind of urban lifestyle you won't find it up in the mountains, they are a world apart. Or you could be one of the swarms of weekend warriors who gas up their jeeps and head to the hills every saturday to escape the smoggy drudgery of Denver. Or you could spend to much money to live in Boulder to design houses that cost too much money for people with too much money. Most of the interesting projects that i saw in the mountains were either by firms in Denver or Texas. Better yet, move down to New Mexico and build adobe homes off the grid.
I did see this beautiful house on the river one day and was amazed at actually seeing something besides a log cabin knockoff that had some deal of respect for its site.
[url=http://www.architecture.neu.edu/dbuploads/ACSA_2007_MOE_TUBE_HOUSE.pdf
]TUBE HOUSE by Ron Mason[/url]
Yep. You are all confirming what I knew/feared. With the exception of FRO who knows the secret and doesn't want to share it so everyone on this web site doesn't move there and ruin it for him! Give it up FRO! Tell me the secret once you finish your ride. Portland is great, Denver has spots but it isn't Portland. Portland is wet, the mountains are flat and the snow is heavy, but they are amazing in the summer. The coast is close, it really can't be beat. I grew up in Fort Collins, don't think I can go back there. Anyway thanks for the comments, they actually have been helpful, and keep 'em coming, especially the ones about CO!
Isn't Denver roughly double the size of Portland? With that I'd expect it to command a bigger slice of the architecture scene at least more than a city wedged between much larger Seattle and San Francisco.
I know that's heresy as nobody bad mouths Portland, especially the people that live there and preach its greatness. I have friends in Portland that always talk up that town so much and tell everyone to move there. I ask, is it the Amway of the west? Sounds like a pyramid scheme. Ha ha. I've been there many times and yeah, it's nice, but not perfect. I'd probably put it on a list of best towns but not #1.
So far as skiing, that I know. Colorado skiing is vastly superior to Oregon skiing. If that's what you live for, go Denver. A job is a job is a job. Skiing on the other hand, that's a lifestyle.
Another thought ~ the Denver/Portland comparison is roughly similar to the Calgary/Vancouver comparison north of the border. Both good towns and both vastly different than the Denver/Portland duo.
Interesting numbers. Portland also has the advantage of being a relatively short drive away from the Seattle metro area, while Denver is pretty much out in the middle of nowhere.
when you say PDX, are you talking about Portland International Airport? Because that's what PDX stands for. I don't understand this trend of referring to cities by the codes of their airports. Hey, anyone in ORD want to meet me in LHR for a weekend getaway?
okay so i made a bigger deal than i needed to. but it's just confusing and and it's also a really interesting reversal of the normative condition of naming airports after cities - now we're naming cities after airports...
I don't know about other cities, but for some reason locals often use "PDX" as a shorthand when referring to the city of Portland. I have no idea how or why it started, but my suggestion would be to get over it.
Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed Portland to be a metro of 2 million. It doesn't feel it. Guess that can be good or bad based on your perspective.
Yes, Denver is "in the middle of nowhere" if you think locally. But it's more central to the world than any other US city. It's the exact midpoint between Toyko and Munich. You can hop on a jet at DIA and be non-stop to almost anywhere in the world. An asset not to take lightly and hardly what I'd call the middle of nowhere.
Denver is also the cultural capital of the region. It's the biggest draw in the entire rocky mountian region. They host a full allotment of professional sports, something Seattle can't even claim, and something that puts the city on the map. Also Denver has lower unemployment and higher job growth than the entire Pacific NW region.
When it comes to hard economics Denver is a clear winner. Then again that's the numbers, not emotion.
I would rather be in Pagosa Springs than Telluride, or better yet Silverton...actually Albuquerque is growing like mad and has a nice architecture culture for a city its size...I could easily return there (Forbes #1 place for business growth last year).
Anyway...all there areas are surrounded by beautiful scenery with lots of different natural attractions to keep your soul nice and happy...I think you probably can't go wrong with either.
Denver may have convenient flight connections to overseas destinations, but how many times does one take advantage of that (assuming you're not a member of the jet set with lots of vacation time and money to burn)? Maybe once or twice a year if you're lucky? Just about any city with a major hub airport (JFK, ORD, DFW, etc.) will have plenty of options for nonstop overseas flights.
My point was that Portland's proximity to Seattle would come in useful on a more day-to-day basis. Let's say you live in PDX, but one of your favorite architects is presenting a lecture in Seattle, or your favorite band is performing in Tacoma. You can easily hop in your car and catch the event (assuming I-5 isn't flooded out), grab some dinner, and be back in Portland later that night.
On the other hand, if you're planning a trip to Tokyo or Munich, it doesn't really matter where you live in the US, as you're going to have an incredibly long flight no matter what.
The economic and employment situation is a valid point; Oregon had a pretty dismal job market when I lived there in 2004-2005, and I don't know if it's gotten any better.
As one who makes 5-6 cross country flights a year, I HATE flying through Denver. I avoid it at all costs. Because it's centrally located, they ALWAYS fly small ass planes from the coasts to Denver, like 737's and a320's. That and there's nothing worse than a 2.5 hour flight. Long enough to be uncomfortable, but not long enough to sleep or watch anythign decent. ORD on the other hand I like as you get a decent plane to fly to and from SFO. The flight from ORD to Tokyo was pretty sweet.
Chicago is easier for me because it's 90 minutes from boston, and 4.5 to 5 from SFO. I can sleep on the longer flight and the short one is easy. And I like the exposed structure of the terminals and the accent.
Whoever says 737's and A320's are small planes must not have been on a CRJ before. All the airlines are starting to buy those things in bulk and they suck. I fly a lot and invaribly get stuck on those....and once out of ORD going to Toronto so Chicago doesn't have a lock on big planes.
Actually I avoid ORD for layovers because flight are always hopelessly delayed. For originating flights it isn't bad, but that only works if you live there. I tend to prefer DFW, ATL & DEN for those.
And airport is a big deal to me when looking at a place to live. With family living all across the US and in foreign countries it makes a big difference in how often I get to see them or them come to see me. Yes, going to Toyko is an all day flight no matter what you do, but saving an extra 1/2 day not hopping around the country on domestic flights to my final destination makes our time together all that much longer.
To me that's more important than my friends in Portland talking about how they drive up to Seattle to do things like shop at Ikea.
Being that the original poster is from Ft. Collins you probably know more than me about the area anyways... if it matters, the job market is pretty good in Denver right now though. If you had told me 10 years ago I would be living here, practicing architecture, I would have laughed and said no way!! I always thought Denver was a dumpy dirty industrial cowboy town. But I gave it a chance and I love it here, Denver has come a LONG WAYS in the last 10 years, I think it's a great city, friendly people, lots of great restuarants, not too big not too small. While Colorado is hardly known for good architecture, one of the things I like about it is that it is up and coming, and I am a part of it, and have more influence and autonomy than I might in other large cities. Plus it's always sunny (except today).
What about Grand Junction? It's probably one of the fastest growing cities in the country. I know there is an archinector from GJ around here - I met your boyfriend at a wine festival. Speak up.
Colorado / Oregon
I'm a Colorado (front range) native, been living in inner city Portland, OR for about 10 years. Family, kids, lack of sun, and a love of mountains and light fluffy snow are calling me back to CO.
Don't want to go back to suburban front range.
Feel like I'll need to live in Denver for any remotely urban architecture / lifestyle.
I'm worried if I live in the mountains I'll be expected to design the bad log home knock offs that proliferate CO architect web sites.
In the time I've spent in Denver I'd wonder why I'd leave Portland for that?
Has anyone out there made a similar move?
Is anyone living in a mountain town and love their job?
Are there any architects in mountain towns that can afford the cost of living near their workplace?
Are there any cities / architecture firms I should check out in CO?
Should I just stay in P-town?
I'd love to hear all your thoughts.
Thanks.
i have been thinking about Portland myself...what are your thoughts (you obviously dont like it 100%)
I love Portland. The only two drawbacks are the weather and the state government. When will they realize they can't rely on property tax and state tax to provide civil services? but that's for another thread. Grew up in the Bay Area, went to U of O and now live in Boston and Portland would be my choice to live in permanently. Housing is still fairly cheap, you're 2 hours from the coast AND the mountian(s), some of the best wine comes from Oregon, it's got a great culture of music, art/architecture and beer brewing and best of all, one of the best urban master planning departments in the city. out side of the MAX going East instead of West, METRO has done a great job managing and planning the growth of the metro area and the gentrification of the core city. I love that the city is a managable size and very walkable (one thing I LOVE about Boston). As you mentioned family, i can see there being an issue with the schools. My best friend is a teacher in Beaverton and the state funding for schools is atrocious (afore mentioned state government issues).
Sorry, for the lack of denver info, my only experience has been spending the night at the airport...twice.
doesnt denver have awful smog problems?
Last time I checked, Portland had some fairly impressive mountains nearby. Any reason you couldn't live in the mountains somewhere outside Portland and commute into the city?
Portland is an awesome little city. If NYC was no longer an option for me, I'd probably head to either PDX or Seattle.
portland is also the most literate city in the country (which would make one assume that it could be considered the 'smartest' city in the country)
they also have some of the cleanest H20 in the world
you are also allowed to own 3 chickens per household in Portland
^ LIVE CHICKENS
Colorado:
Oregon:
Dun forget the Oregon breweries aquino-
i just moved (this fall) from central colorado to seattle. the only city i'd move back to in colorado (at least right now) is denver. union station/lodo area isn't bad - and the light rail is in full force there now which might provide a broader array of living options that would still give you access to the urban lifestyle of downtown. i don't think that it compares well w/ portland overall but there are plenty of cool things going on that could be found if you're willing to look...
on another note i might consider fort collins - but it would really have to be the right job. it's still a small town...
My neighbor has 3 chickens. Rosie (the chicken) was (she died) really frindly, she'd come inside the house if you left the door open and walks around our courtyard and lets you pick her up. Urban chickens... fresh eggs?
Portland is the most literate city in the nation? Wow. I guess that makes me the most illiterate person in town.
I don't know anything about Colorado 8|
There's a guy on here that has a firm up in Whistler... I think his username is whistler... he seems to be doing OK.
We have nice mountains here but they don't get any less rain... unless you head out to Bend I suppose the climate there is more like Colorado, high desert, sunny but cold snowy winters, but you're not really close to Portland then.
Glad you like the photo... It was taken in the Opal Creek Wilderness Area, where the Little North Santiam River flows through a spectacular gorge. It's maybe a 90-minute drive outside of Portland.
Thanks to mining claims dating back to the 1800's, the area was never logged, and it's one of the few old-growth forests left in Oregon. The trees in that canyon are enormous. More photos here.
the colorado aia always has many jobs posted. many of these firms give their staff ski passes.
Speaking of enormous trees the 700 year old Klootchy Creek Giant broke in two durring last weeks storm :(
Glad I stopped and saw it one last time last summer.
P.S. Opal creek is great. I grew up in salem, we used to go to Little North Fork in the summers and go swimming. Good times. Thanks for bringing back the memories LIG
ooh, this is fun
Colorado
Oregon
At least we're not comparing Gary, Indiana and Newark, New Jersey.
Colorado Related:
studio b does some nice mountainy stuff in Aspen... if you don't mind the opulence.
Denver has some nice pockets. I like North Denver for a bit of real life / neighborhoods. But it's almost completely gentrified by now. I've been thinking about Fort Collins as up and coming. And also wondering about smaller town living in Southern Colorado. So many beautiful places in the Colorado mountains and ranges.
The sprawl / mall scenario has taken over the front range, but this gives another kind of challenge - how do we deal with that in the coming years? I think the region could really use some good architects and planners to tackle that problem and think creatively about positive transformation.
what about if you lived here, it's not PDX, but perhaps a little more family friendly than LoDo, you'd still have to drive to really get anywhere...
good luck finding a firm in colorado doing truly ecologically sound design. Lived in the mountains for the summers and all my friends who lived out of the back of their trucks said I should just do freelance architecture gigs to have time to ski and raft. All the small mountain towns that are exploding with retiring frontrangers and older new-money texans have architects to design their dream homes or condos that clog the rivers and hills. Most of these people should probably stay where they came from, but they are there with money to spend. I'd like to think that there are architects in Denver or maybe even up in the hills who are engaged in sound design practices that won't ruin that gorgeous state. I just haven't found them yet. If you are looking for any kind of urban lifestyle you won't find it up in the mountains, they are a world apart. Or you could be one of the swarms of weekend warriors who gas up their jeeps and head to the hills every saturday to escape the smoggy drudgery of Denver. Or you could spend to much money to live in Boulder to design houses that cost too much money for people with too much money. Most of the interesting projects that i saw in the mountains were either by firms in Denver or Texas. Better yet, move down to New Mexico and build adobe homes off the grid.
I did see this beautiful house on the river one day and was amazed at actually seeing something besides a log cabin knockoff that had some deal of respect for its site.
[url=http://www.architecture.neu.edu/dbuploads/ACSA_2007_MOE_TUBE_HOUSE.pdf
]TUBE HOUSE by Ron Mason[/url]
shit
TUBE HOUSE by Ron Mason
don't come to Colorado, you'll hate it. Love to explain, but I've gotta go ride.
p-mullet
I bet that spruce would make me some nice flooring
Yep. You are all confirming what I knew/feared. With the exception of FRO who knows the secret and doesn't want to share it so everyone on this web site doesn't move there and ruin it for him! Give it up FRO! Tell me the secret once you finish your ride. Portland is great, Denver has spots but it isn't Portland. Portland is wet, the mountains are flat and the snow is heavy, but they are amazing in the summer. The coast is close, it really can't be beat. I grew up in Fort Collins, don't think I can go back there. Anyway thanks for the comments, they actually have been helpful, and keep 'em coming, especially the ones about CO!
ft collins - yech. i love pdx, it's just too small.
but being close to the ocean, sand dunes, rain forest, mountains, BC, and high desert always makes me happy.
Isn't Denver roughly double the size of Portland? With that I'd expect it to command a bigger slice of the architecture scene at least more than a city wedged between much larger Seattle and San Francisco.
I know that's heresy as nobody bad mouths Portland, especially the people that live there and preach its greatness. I have friends in Portland that always talk up that town so much and tell everyone to move there. I ask, is it the Amway of the west? Sounds like a pyramid scheme. Ha ha. I've been there many times and yeah, it's nice, but not perfect. I'd probably put it on a list of best towns but not #1.
So far as skiing, that I know. Colorado skiing is vastly superior to Oregon skiing. If that's what you live for, go Denver. A job is a job is a job. Skiing on the other hand, that's a lifestyle.
Another thought ~ the Denver/Portland comparison is roughly similar to the Calgary/Vancouver comparison north of the border. Both good towns and both vastly different than the Denver/Portland duo.
Never been a fan of Mt. Hood, but grew up on Bachelor/Willamette Pass. Hell of a lot less packed than Colorado slopes too-
Denver - 554,636
Greater Denver Metro - 2.7 million
Portland - 537081
Greater Portland Metro - 2.1 million
It probably has a bigger slice the question is what kind of pie do you want?
Interesting numbers. Portland also has the advantage of being a relatively short drive away from the Seattle metro area, while Denver is pretty much out in the middle of nowhere.
i make a mean pecan pie....with bourbon
that is true. calgary is denver. i've never been to vancouver or portland though. i thought vancouver was seattle.
Vancouver BC or Vancouver, Washington?
boy i hope it's BC.
cos vancouver WA's a dump.
LiG - seattle's only a short drive if I-5 isn't flooded (100 year flood) for the 3rd time in 17 years.
and what's nice about PDX is you can be in Seattle in 2.5 hours, Vancouver, BC in 5-ish.
from Denver, you get salt lake city and sante fe. while i love the desert, i'll stick to the NW for now.
when you say PDX, are you talking about Portland International Airport? Because that's what PDX stands for. I don't understand this trend of referring to cities by the codes of their airports. Hey, anyone in ORD want to meet me in LHR for a weekend getaway?
.... seriously... you're upset about that....
okay so i made a bigger deal than i needed to. but it's just confusing and and it's also a really interesting reversal of the normative condition of naming airports after cities - now we're naming cities after airports...
I don't know about other cities, but for some reason locals often use "PDX" as a shorthand when referring to the city of Portland. I have no idea how or why it started, but my suggestion would be to get over it.
I love pdx. If I could dream up a Colorado experience though it would be living in or around Telluride and working here:
http://www.onearchitects.com/
Interesting. I wouldn't have guessed Portland to be a metro of 2 million. It doesn't feel it. Guess that can be good or bad based on your perspective.
Yes, Denver is "in the middle of nowhere" if you think locally. But it's more central to the world than any other US city. It's the exact midpoint between Toyko and Munich. You can hop on a jet at DIA and be non-stop to almost anywhere in the world. An asset not to take lightly and hardly what I'd call the middle of nowhere.
Denver is also the cultural capital of the region. It's the biggest draw in the entire rocky mountian region. They host a full allotment of professional sports, something Seattle can't even claim, and something that puts the city on the map. Also Denver has lower unemployment and higher job growth than the entire Pacific NW region.
When it comes to hard economics Denver is a clear winner. Then again that's the numbers, not emotion.
I would rather be in Pagosa Springs than Telluride, or better yet Silverton...actually Albuquerque is growing like mad and has a nice architecture culture for a city its size...I could easily return there (Forbes #1 place for business growth last year).
Anyway...all there areas are surrounded by beautiful scenery with lots of different natural attractions to keep your soul nice and happy...I think you probably can't go wrong with either.
Denver may have convenient flight connections to overseas destinations, but how many times does one take advantage of that (assuming you're not a member of the jet set with lots of vacation time and money to burn)? Maybe once or twice a year if you're lucky? Just about any city with a major hub airport (JFK, ORD, DFW, etc.) will have plenty of options for nonstop overseas flights.
My point was that Portland's proximity to Seattle would come in useful on a more day-to-day basis. Let's say you live in PDX, but one of your favorite architects is presenting a lecture in Seattle, or your favorite band is performing in Tacoma. You can easily hop in your car and catch the event (assuming I-5 isn't flooded out), grab some dinner, and be back in Portland later that night.
On the other hand, if you're planning a trip to Tokyo or Munich, it doesn't really matter where you live in the US, as you're going to have an incredibly long flight no matter what.
The economic and employment situation is a valid point; Oregon had a pretty dismal job market when I lived there in 2004-2005, and I don't know if it's gotten any better.
As one who makes 5-6 cross country flights a year, I HATE flying through Denver. I avoid it at all costs. Because it's centrally located, they ALWAYS fly small ass planes from the coasts to Denver, like 737's and a320's. That and there's nothing worse than a 2.5 hour flight. Long enough to be uncomfortable, but not long enough to sleep or watch anythign decent. ORD on the other hand I like as you get a decent plane to fly to and from SFO. The flight from ORD to Tokyo was pretty sweet.
THEaguino
I hate flying through Chicago
Chicago is easier for me because it's 90 minutes from boston, and 4.5 to 5 from SFO. I can sleep on the longer flight and the short one is easy. And I like the exposed structure of the terminals and the accent.
is the summer chicago is a bitch...4:30 every afternoon the storms come in.
Whoever says 737's and A320's are small planes must not have been on a CRJ before. All the airlines are starting to buy those things in bulk and they suck. I fly a lot and invaribly get stuck on those....and once out of ORD going to Toronto so Chicago doesn't have a lock on big planes.
Actually I avoid ORD for layovers because flight are always hopelessly delayed. For originating flights it isn't bad, but that only works if you live there. I tend to prefer DFW, ATL & DEN for those.
And airport is a big deal to me when looking at a place to live. With family living all across the US and in foreign countries it makes a big difference in how often I get to see them or them come to see me. Yes, going to Toyko is an all day flight no matter what you do, but saving an extra 1/2 day not hopping around the country on domestic flights to my final destination makes our time together all that much longer.
To me that's more important than my friends in Portland talking about how they drive up to Seattle to do things like shop at Ikea.
the Canadair RJs are nice...fast and quiet and you dont have to deal with as many people
haha...i just had a conversation with my friend in portland about the desk she bought at IKEA...hilarious
The CRJ is the Denver-PDX, Denver-Eugene special. If I never get on another one of those again I'll be a happy person.
wait, dosen't portland have an ikea out by pdx now? and i'd rather fly a crj anyday than the turboprop they are usually replacing...
Being that the original poster is from Ft. Collins you probably know more than me about the area anyways... if it matters, the job market is pretty good in Denver right now though. If you had told me 10 years ago I would be living here, practicing architecture, I would have laughed and said no way!! I always thought Denver was a dumpy dirty industrial cowboy town. But I gave it a chance and I love it here, Denver has come a LONG WAYS in the last 10 years, I think it's a great city, friendly people, lots of great restuarants, not too big not too small. While Colorado is hardly known for good architecture, one of the things I like about it is that it is up and coming, and I am a part of it, and have more influence and autonomy than I might in other large cities. Plus it's always sunny (except today).
What about Grand Junction? It's probably one of the fastest growing cities in the country. I know there is an archinector from GJ around here - I met your boyfriend at a wine festival. Speak up.
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