that's the thing, French...it's like a car crash of hate you can't divert your eyes from. in denoucing her, they promote her...it seems like her orbit is getting wider though, and that she's showing up slightly less frequently.
donny deutsch did the right thing once she was on the show, but the right thing to do would have been to not have her on in the first place. f'ing ridiculous. bet it's good for ratings though!
she's now sourcing the national enquirer; i think she's approaching rock bottom.
seriously, i don't think she realizes her schtick is quickly losing appeal now that the right is so fractured...
Now you guys figure it out? She has been an absolute bigot and white supremacist since she has been blabbing her mouth. She has said that Muslims and Arabs should all either converted into Christians or die and she has used many racist terms to describe people.
Now that she has been uttering anti-Semitic drivel, there is finally attention brought to ger bigotry. How very typical.
Not really. When she did make bigoted remarks about people from the Middle East, the media always made light of it whithout trully vilifying here -- but really sensationalizing her bull shit. That is why she was always invited back on fox, cnn, and msnbc...
And she has a huge fan base. That is really scary.
I once shown my fanatical atheism in the Archinect news section regarding some mosque in Switzerland and stuff like that and didn't get too much approval from others... puddles, French, where were you in 1977? :p
btw, if it makes you feel better, I've never heard of this woman either. and hope I never will again.. must be an exclusively northamerican phenomenon, so the world is save
french & medit are with me...that's encouraging. the thing about being atheist for me is that it allows for a great deal of tolerance for other people. trouble is that typically (in america at least) whenever i admit that i don't believe in god people usually react as though i just told them that i'm a pedophile or something too-awful-to-believe like that.
she and pat robertson in particular just blow me away... its shocking that people could be so, so, so, so... just unbelievably stupid...
its shocking...
and archmed...
you are way off on this one... coulter has been a joke for years and the object of much fury for years. you dont get to take everything that happens in the states as further proof that we are all fucking morons.
"Last year she told Deutsch that former President Bill Clinton showed "some level of latent homosexuality" and then followed it up by telling Chris Matthews on MSNBC that former Vice President Al Gore was a "total fag."'
Opinions of Coulter aside, I kinda like the trash talking. The PC police sure haven't got to her yet.
heh.. well, we also have similar types of individuals, though they are usually too much "eccentric" to be taken seriously.. they appear on TV shows from time to time as well... but still, the phenomena seems to me that is much more accentuated in the USA (or so I heard)
I've been aware of people like these -wether they are televangelists, writers, etc- having a certain following in some parts of the States since I started listenin' all those Zappa songs back when I was at school... especially that Jimmy Swaggart guy... there was that Beatle song (Strawberry Fields?) with the lyrics rearranged to tell this man's ridiculous episode with some prostitute in a Texas motel or something like that..
Zappa's attacks on religious fundamentalism were definitely a way of learning English much more entartaining and fun than the typical TOEFL or whatever... -a lot if this stuff is interchangeable with other parts of planet Earth really, or at least of the western world-..
agnotstism sounds cool, but the idea of hanging out with this witch and her buddies kinda kreeps me out...
So I'll stick with General Puddles's Atheist Liberation Army myself...
An athiest all my life, I read Dawkins's The God Delusion this year and was encouraged by his arguments. But the need to believe in something other than ourselves is very strong. Dawkins is most outraged at the way children are led to adopt their guardians' beliefs before they can think for themselves.
i haven't read dawkins book or any of the others but i agree with that assessment: the need to believe is very strong. i was actually born to a roman catholic family (was even an altar boy for 6 years) and the whole idea of god is difficult one to get away from. but when i stopped to think about the question "why do i believe in god?" i realized that it was only because everybody had always told me that that is what to believe since my infancy. placed in that context, using my own observations of human nature, and considering all the conflict god has created, it then became a very easy choice to renounce him altogether.
that insight probably ocurred to me when i was about 16 years old and it was probably another 10 years before the issue came to a head with my family. they had known for some time that i was indifferent about church but when a discussion lead to my mother asking me, "but you do believe in god, don't you?" and i replied that as a matter of fact "no, i do not and i never really have." her reaction was pretty telling...she threw her drink at me (nearly hit me square in the nose) and stormed off in a rage. definitely not the way that my mother normally behaved.
anyhow, it's pretty obvious that belief in god is a very large hurdle for most people to overcome in their understanding of the world. it's as basic as gravity for many people. which is why i don't typically wear my atheism on my sleeve but i do bristle evertime i hear someone flippantly say something like "thank god" and i try to avoid such phrases in my own language.
she threw her drink at me (nearly hit me square in the nose) and stormed off in a rage
at her own child?
sometimes I wonder why some people -not puddles' mom specifically, which I'm sure she's great :)- have kids and raise them to be a replica of their progenitors when history has shown repeatedly that that never works at all...
you're right, steven--she's a few degrees away from being kathy griffin, (keep the terrible, cheap jokes, invert the christianity and add a dye job, throw in some crazy bigotry)
although she has become somehow inescapable on tv as well...
The guy on that article sound like an idiot to me though. "Preaching" atheism is a total oxymoron. It's says he pases out fliers asking people "Are you a humanist?". That's just retarded, he's engaging in all the idiocy of organized religion, only he's preaching non-religion.
personally i think you all are doing way too much lip service (which is what she wants) by prolonging the existence of this thread. btw not all religious people are freaks, although this woman obviously has a screw or two loose and is to be ignored.
personally i don't believe or agree with a word she says, but maybe...MAYBE... she doesn't either?
my theory is that ann coulter is really a brilliant satirist who is making a fortune exploiting the ignorance of some on the right and the anger of some on the left. she is ivy league educated after all, and even the dumbest ivy leaguer can't be THAT dumb. think about it.
savvy and evil...yes. dumb and ignorant...maybe not?
Anything's possible. She may hate herself so much that she seeks to be reviled by others. An intelligent and educated person with this kind of disease would presumably be most embarrassed by being taken for an ignorant bigot. . .?
Who knows.... Even Rush Limbaugh has all but admitted that he doesn't personally believe in half the shit he spews on the radio, but he does it because it means $$$ for him.
But then, Bush is technically Ivy League educated as well.... Formal education doesn't equal intelligence, wisdom, or compassion.
The jews need to be perfected...
As if the world needed another reason to hate this woman
I'm sorry friend, but I had neve heard of that person before. Maybe if you did'tn link to her, less people would care about her bullshit...
Sadly, she has plenty of like-minded company. People like her make me want to divorce myself from organized religion altogether.
maybe you should. I have and I feel a lot better.
I agree. she is not only reinforcing herself as a moron, but contributing to the degradation of organized religion.
that's the thing, French...it's like a car crash of hate you can't divert your eyes from. in denoucing her, they promote her...it seems like her orbit is getting wider though, and that she's showing up slightly less frequently.
donny deutsch did the right thing once she was on the show, but the right thing to do would have been to not have her on in the first place. f'ing ridiculous. bet it's good for ratings though!
she's now sourcing the national enquirer; i think she's approaching rock bottom.
seriously, i don't think she realizes her schtick is quickly losing appeal now that the right is so fractured...
Well duh!!
Now you guys figure it out? She has been an absolute bigot and white supremacist since she has been blabbing her mouth. She has said that Muslims and Arabs should all either converted into Christians or die and she has used many racist terms to describe people.
Now that she has been uttering anti-Semitic drivel, there is finally attention brought to ger bigotry. How very typical.
I think that this has been brought to the public attention WAY before this.
so, not too typical.
Not really. When she did make bigoted remarks about people from the Middle East, the media always made light of it whithout trully vilifying here -- but really sensationalizing her bull shit. That is why she was always invited back on fox, cnn, and msnbc...
And she has a huge fan base. That is really scary.
she will still be invited on all of the channels. this isn't going to change anything
So, isn't she right?
JUST KIDDING! DID I GET YOU?
zing!
Where is EB when you need a non bias opinion....?
oh yeah, we need to get EB in on this
is there such a thing as fanatical atheism? i'm beginning to think that everyone should convert to atheism or die.
puddles, I'm now part of your fan base. So the two of us can fight the millions of this woman. I hope you are a ninja or something...
oh man, i love ninjas.
I once shown my fanatical atheism in the Archinect news section regarding some mosque in Switzerland and stuff like that and didn't get too much approval from others... puddles, French, where were you in 1977? :p
btw, if it makes you feel better, I've never heard of this woman either. and hope I never will again.. must be an exclusively northamerican phenomenon, so the world is save
consider yourself lucky, Medit
Coulter is one of our villiage idiots over here in the USA. She is a provider of much LOLs.
and ROTFLs
french & medit are with me...that's encouraging. the thing about being atheist for me is that it allows for a great deal of tolerance for other people. trouble is that typically (in america at least) whenever i admit that i don't believe in god people usually react as though i just told them that i'm a pedophile or something too-awful-to-believe like that.
weird
this was an interesting story from a few weeks back: *god* (oops) forbid Man Coulter should read this, though her head might explode...
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2007/09/16/the_nonbelievers/
she and pat robertson in particular just blow me away... its shocking that people could be so, so, so, so... just unbelievably stupid...
its shocking...
and archmed...
you are way off on this one... coulter has been a joke for years and the object of much fury for years. you dont get to take everything that happens in the states as further proof that we are all fucking morons.
Opinions of Coulter aside, I kinda like the trash talking. The PC police sure haven't got to her yet.
I'll join the fanatical agnostic army. We'll watch you guys fight it out and hang out with the winners.
save me a seat!
heh.. well, we also have similar types of individuals, though they are usually too much "eccentric" to be taken seriously.. they appear on TV shows from time to time as well... but still, the phenomena seems to me that is much more accentuated in the USA (or so I heard)
I've been aware of people like these -wether they are televangelists, writers, etc- having a certain following in some parts of the States since I started listenin' all those Zappa songs back when I was at school... especially that Jimmy Swaggart guy... there was that Beatle song (Strawberry Fields?) with the lyrics rearranged to tell this man's ridiculous episode with some prostitute in a Texas motel or something like that..
Zappa's attacks on religious fundamentalism were definitely a way of learning English much more entartaining and fun than the typical TOEFL or whatever... -a lot if this stuff is interchangeable with other parts of planet Earth really, or at least of the western world-..
.. and, more important, his music was great
agnotstism sounds cool, but the idea of hanging out with this witch and her buddies kinda kreeps me out...
So I'll stick with General Puddles's Atheist Liberation Army myself...
i like the sound of that. very funny. and with that, let's make the first order to enjoy the weekend!
The agnostics don't hang out with either side, we just watch with icy detachment.
...and point and laugh ;-)
Brights
I'll join the ALA any day.
but I do love some 700 club.
An athiest all my life, I read Dawkins's The God Delusion this year and was encouraged by his arguments. But the need to believe in something other than ourselves is very strong. Dawkins is most outraged at the way children are led to adopt their guardians' beliefs before they can think for themselves.
maybe that's "ourselves and each other" -- and the truth, whatever that may turn out to be. . .
if provocation didn't equal $$$ in our twisted economy, anne coulter would be languishing on the not-quite comedian circuit.
This is why I don't watch the news.
i haven't read dawkins book or any of the others but i agree with that assessment: the need to believe is very strong. i was actually born to a roman catholic family (was even an altar boy for 6 years) and the whole idea of god is difficult one to get away from. but when i stopped to think about the question "why do i believe in god?" i realized that it was only because everybody had always told me that that is what to believe since my infancy. placed in that context, using my own observations of human nature, and considering all the conflict god has created, it then became a very easy choice to renounce him altogether.
that insight probably ocurred to me when i was about 16 years old and it was probably another 10 years before the issue came to a head with my family. they had known for some time that i was indifferent about church but when a discussion lead to my mother asking me, "but you do believe in god, don't you?" and i replied that as a matter of fact "no, i do not and i never really have." her reaction was pretty telling...she threw her drink at me (nearly hit me square in the nose) and stormed off in a rage. definitely not the way that my mother normally behaved.
anyhow, it's pretty obvious that belief in god is a very large hurdle for most people to overcome in their understanding of the world. it's as basic as gravity for many people. which is why i don't typically wear my atheism on my sleeve but i do bristle evertime i hear someone flippantly say something like "thank god" and i try to avoid such phrases in my own language.
at her own child?
sometimes I wonder why some people -not puddles' mom specifically, which I'm sure she's great :)- have kids and raise them to be a replica of their progenitors when history has shown repeatedly that that never works at all...
hey, teacher, leave 'em kids alone!
you're right, steven--she's a few degrees away from being kathy griffin, (keep the terrible, cheap jokes, invert the christianity and add a dye job, throw in some crazy bigotry)
although she has become somehow inescapable on tv as well...
<blockquote>this was an interesting story from a few weeks back: *god* (oops) forbid Man Coulter should read this, though her head might explode...
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2007/09/16/the_nonbel</blockquote>
The guy on that article sound like an idiot to me though. "Preaching" atheism is a total oxymoron. It's says he pases out fliers asking people "Are you a humanist?". That's just retarded, he's engaging in all the idiocy of organized religion, only he's preaching non-religion.
personally i think you all are doing way too much lip service (which is what she wants) by prolonging the existence of this thread. btw not all religious people are freaks, although this woman obviously has a screw or two loose and is to be ignored.
personally i don't believe or agree with a word she says, but maybe...MAYBE... she doesn't either?
my theory is that ann coulter is really a brilliant satirist who is making a fortune exploiting the ignorance of some on the right and the anger of some on the left. she is ivy league educated after all, and even the dumbest ivy leaguer can't be THAT dumb. think about it.
savvy and evil...yes. dumb and ignorant...maybe not?
Anything's possible. She may hate herself so much that she seeks to be reviled by others. An intelligent and educated person with this kind of disease would presumably be most embarrassed by being taken for an ignorant bigot. . .?
Who knows.... Even Rush Limbaugh has all but admitted that he doesn't personally believe in half the shit he spews on the radio, but he does it because it means $$$ for him.
But then, Bush is technically Ivy League educated as well.... Formal education doesn't equal intelligence, wisdom, or compassion.
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