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Doctor vs. Architect?

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sneharomieo

Yeah... I find that I'm more attracted to become an architect but now I'm going to coaching classes for medicine entrance. Which is better? Becoming a doctor or an architect? Basically I'm an above average student. Memorising power is low for me. But I'm creative. I love doing new things and studying more about the unknown. I don't know what to choose. I love to be a doctor and also an architect. I don't know in which I would be more happier in my life. All that matters me is that I need to be happy in my future, money is not a matter, I have strength and can work hard for living but I need to be happy. So please help me choose a career... Please.. 

Sep 19, 18 11:15 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

looks like you know quite little about both profession. They are very far from similar. Here's a good piece of advice: Don't outsource important adult decisions to unknown people in internet forums.

Sep 19, 18 11:20 am  · 
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sneharomieo

I'm actually so confused. It's my future. I really am in a turning point of my life. What do you think?

Sep 19, 18 11:25 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

I think you ought not to rely on random strangers for "life turning point" decisions. Double that since you don't know the first thing about either the education and professional worlds of either profession. It's much more complicated than a "go to X" type answer.

Sep 19, 18 11:33 am  · 
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sneharomieo

So you think I rely on strangers? I thought you were experienced people who could advice a girl...

Sep 19, 18 12:10 pm  · 
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sneharomieo

So sorry...

Sep 19, 18 12:11 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

sneharomieo, we're not psychologists nor are we career counselors. All we can tell you is to do your own research first. Architecture school is very different from practice and it's not evident from your posts that you've made the effort to understand the basics of either.

Sep 19, 18 10:31 pm  · 
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Sean!

If you don't have an easy time memorizing study material quickly you won't even make it through the pre-reqs.

Sep 21, 18 11:39 am  · 
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sneharomieo

Yeah...  I know my decision will be so important both for me and my family. My family encourages me to become a doctor. That's what they consider a good job. But for me, I think it's not the job that matters but how much dedicated or passionate you are for it. I would always love to see myself as a doctor, treating patients but nowadays it's totally like a new business. Instead of looking forward for the development of standard and health of people, doctors make money making more patients. It's one parameter which I dislike being a doc... But to cherish as an architect and the develpments and progression in that field is very low and society treats it in another way. I don't understand what's happening with me... Please do say an opinion... 



Sep 19, 18 11:36 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

You've massively oversimplified the medical field, both the practice and education side.

Sep 19, 18 11:40 am  · 
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tintt

Take a bunch of classes and see what you like. Try public health, it's a bit of a cross between medicine and design of communities.

Sep 19, 18 11:49 am  · 
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sneharomieo

Thank you for your valuable response....

Sep 19, 18 12:11 pm  · 
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randomised

Don't worry too much, my uneducated guess is that you'll neither be a doctor nor an architect in the end.

Sep 19, 18 2:35 pm  · 
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sneharomieo

Yeah... Thats an UNeducated guess...

Sep 19, 18 9:26 pm  · 
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randomised

Please do post an update when and if you get your license, whichever direction you pick. I once heard that being an architect is like being a lawyer that makes drawings, be aware of that...and being a lawyer isn't like they show it on tv either ;) But normally people who become doctors or architects don't just flip a coin, they just know...the fact that you don't know says it all, be honest to yourself here, if you had what it takes we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Sep 20, 18 11:56 am  · 
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Threesleeve

sneharomieo is most likely not in high school.

Sep 20, 18 4:43 pm  · 
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randomised

Whatevv Rick...do you know their age or school situation?

Sep 21, 18 3:41 am  · 
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randomised

You're the one bringing up the highschooler angle, so apparently you give a shit.

Sep 21, 18 5:25 am  · 
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randomised

Still too much.

Sep 21, 18 3:31 pm  · 
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randomised

Just let it go, why do you care so much if they're in high school? That kind of obsession is unhealthy and a little creepy Rick.

Sep 21, 18 4:30 pm  · 
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randomised

I was already done with this discussion before you even started it :)

Sep 21, 18 5:56 pm  · 
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randomised

You replied to my post, not the other way around, so I am right and you are wrong. I didn't ask for your replies, I addressed sneharomieo...

Sep 21, 18 6:47 pm  · 
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randomised

But I am right and you are wrong, so can't let you get away with it and simply have to correct you because the internet never forgets...

Sep 22, 18 3:19 am  · 
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randomised

I'm sure archinect backs up the forum every night on floppy disks before leaving for the night, so don't you worry...all your dumpster fires are safe.

Sep 22, 18 7:16 am  · 
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SpontaneousCombustion

randomised just join the rest of us in putting RickB on permanent ignore status. Once I did that I could appreciate how inconsequential his comments really are, because the threads just go on around him with no loss of cohesiveness or meaning, as if he doesn't exist in the first place, so I stopped feeling like I had to correct him.

Sep 22, 18 11:59 am  · 
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Also the pages load twice as fast because there is only half as much bullshit.

Sep 22, 18 12:19 pm  · 
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curtkram

it looks like rick let random have the last word

Sep 22, 18 1:11 pm  · 
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randomised

Hurrah for me!

Sep 22, 18 3:21 pm  · 
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mahmoudbinjawad

You can be an architect with an undergraduate degree. You'll need to do an additional decade of schooling to become an MD. I don't think you've done your research.

Sep 20, 18 7:47 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

many places now require a master's degree in order to become an architect as the traditional 5y B.Arch is less and less common.

Sep 20, 18 8:08 am  · 
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Sean!

@Non Sequitur Not an equivalent; at all. Even if you want to get your M.Arch the requirements aren't as rigid as Med school. Pretty much anyone (with a college degree) can apply to Arch grad school. You should look at the requirements for US Med school... And let's not even talk about actually securing a spot.

Sep 21, 18 12:11 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Sean, I am well aware of the differences between architecture and medical school. Only fools still elevate architecture training to the same level as doctors.

Sep 21, 18 12:23 pm  · 
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whistler

Well, my brother in law did 2 years of Architecture school before completing his medical degree.  Went on to running his own clinic ( took over my Father in law's business ) I would never say that he has been successful in the traditional sense ( money and prestige ) But it has afforded him a decent lifestyle and many trips and time for himself which he uses remarkably well .... building boats, guitars, canoes, cabins, photography, furniture at a very high level.  He just didn't like the weirdness of of architecture school education ( I agree it was a bit wacky at times ) and recognized where his "bread was buttered" and what profession would allow him to live his life in fashion he wished.

Personally I could never see myself being a doctor, I figure you are either an "Architect" through and through or not.  It's in your DNA. 

Sep 20, 18 1:52 pm  · 
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xian

It's the people who get attracted to the field. Medical and legal get all the workaholics who would be doing great in any profession. Architecture gets all the artists who consider actual work selling out.

Sep 21, 18 10:44 am  · 
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artofeducating

Hello everyone. I can see the confusion and the dichotomy of this subject. First, I'll introduce myself in this forum. I'm Prof. Preyan, Faculty of Architecture and am an Architect, based in India. I mentioned the origin, to contextualise myself. As an Indian Architect, we're paid lesser than in any other developed countried. But, this isn't about being paid. It is about-

Doctors VS Architects

The problem with this topic, is really about the lack of Public Awareness. Everybody is arguing that- Architects aren't paid well. And this leads to the direct conclusion- Because they aren't as important as Doctors. To live a good life, a Human needs, Food, Shelter and Clothes. Three basic neccessities of being a Human. Shelter, once made by the people who used to live in it, now are built by Contractors and so on. Shelter, or our Physical Environment, is as Important as our Socio-Cultural Environment. It is like, we are discussing and debating as to what is better/ important- Hardware or Software??

Doctors have been considered highly as Healers, and even religiously are considered highly as they deal with Human Bodies and their Healthcare. Now, I know haters will be haters and not everybody is going to be satisfied with the reasoning I'm going to put, but it is what it is. Architects and Doctors, are equally Important for our Societies. Because, they both Center around- Human Anatomy. The arguments, which I've read in this thread are valid only if you look at them superficially. Several important reasons as to why I make that statement.

1. Origin of the field

Homo Sapiens, have always needed Food and Shelter since their origin. Shelter in terms of Houses and Clothes. But, the Field of Medicine only started to evolve, once diseases started to spread and we wanted to survive. The diseases, which were actually caused by the Things we ate, Places where we lived etc. Lifestyle, habits and such factors started to develop certain diseases at a really later stage. This emergence of Fields, which developed over time, really tells you one important characteristic of being an Architect- You are Responsible for Preventing a lot of Diseases to enter the Spaces you design. And, Architecture in its Conception existed before the Healing.

2. Passive and Active Healing

Doctors claim that they treat you, they heal you, but do they really? After all, they only consult, diagnose and prescribe you the Medicines, developed by Huge Industries, Tested on Rats (not literally anymore?). They diagnose you, for the symptoms they've learned through their books. Based on which they prescribe the medicine. They Heal you Actively, through the medium of Medicines, targetting the cells inside your body. Now, let us understand what Architects do and how they Heal us through their interventions. They design and are responsible, making a Physical World, where we can live our lives. We, stay protected from Rains, Snowfalls, Floods, Heatstrokes, Plagues, Insects, Harsh climates, so on so forth. Architects' designs protects from the diseases from happening in the first place. And keeps on doing it, passively, without telling you what they are doing for you, all the time. Architects design, based on the understanding of the Site, Climate and the Program of the Clients. Architects don't prescribe a Product, architects design specifically for you and your requirements. 

We aren't even talking about the adverse effects of the Physical World on our Psychology and Physiology. We aren't discussing the facts that why the number of Consultants, who psychologically study you and "prescribe" you, "medicines" has increased with the increase of Lifestyle changes, and the ways our Physical World is changing, impacting us. 


All in all, both the fields are equally important, no matter how you look at it. Looking at the fields, from a Payscale factor is certainly not "heathly", and if you think it is healthy to judge the importance of field based on payscale, then "consult" with a doctor, today! I'm sure, they'll have a medicine for the same.


Aug 1, 19 3:20 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

What da fuk?

Aug 1, 19 7:57 am  · 
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JawkneeMusic

same

Jan 2, 20 9:48 pm  · 
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JawkneeMusic

were talkimg Depak Chopra vs. Eckhart Tolle aka water balloons, a squirtnozzle, and buckets on my the the pheet

Jan 2, 20 9:51 pm  · 
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PaulaDS

I believe that training as a doctor is much more serious than training as an architect

Jan 3, 20 8:54 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

replace "much" with exponentially and you'll be closer to the truth.

Jan 3, 20 9:11 am  · 
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Two of my best friends are doctors in a general practice so let me share with you all the things that bother them about their career.

1. Most patients that you spend most of your time with do not get better and this can be both frustrating and depressing.

2. You are on call many hours as a doctor.

3. Doctors are scheduled for more patient visits than you can reasonably handle in a 10 hour day, the day typically with visit, paperwork/charts and research can be 13-14 hours regularly.

4. Doctors can experience quite a lot of job insecurity as their patients can jump ship for the new doctors that tell them what they want to hear and not what they need to hear, also the nature of the work opens you up to opportunities for harassment claims.

5. There is a committee for everything, from the font on the letter head to the pronouns to address patients and staff with and it is difficult and time consuming to keep up with the internal policies and procedures.

6. like architects doctors also have continuing education requirements but if those seminars are sponsored by device or pharmaceutical companies (as most of them are) then they have a lot of reporting that has to be done per the Affordable Care Act.

We Architects often look at other professions with a "grass must be greener over there" mentality but in some ways we have it easy and in others we have a tough row to hoe. Both of my friends on balance love their work and could not imagine another career.

Over and OUT

Peter N

Feb 8, 21 9:53 pm  · 
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randomised

The grass is only greener over at the landscape architects ;)

Feb 9, 21 4:20 am  · 
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natematt

unless the clients remove temporary irrigation from the landscaper scope and then proceed underwater it....

Feb 9, 21 6:43 pm  · 
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RJ87

Granted I went to a big state school where almost everyone that got in was fairly bright compared to the average American, but I'd argue architecture school is pretty hard to "fail". Studio work doesn't involve any legitimate knowledge benchmarks, its concepts are subjective in nature. Is architecture school easy? No. But almost everyone who doesn't come out of the other end quit on their own accord or got caught blatantly plagiarizing or cheating along the way. While some people make architecture school an absolute gauntlet effort wise to get an A there are some people who just coast, take their B & move on.

Medical school, however, involves exam after exam testing rote memory. If you don't pass the exams, you don't move on.

That difference is probably the reason their are so many architecture grads who are unlicensed professionals & you don't hear about unlicensed med school grads very often. Med schools will kick you out if they don't think you'll become a doctor, architecture schools let the designers finish.

Feb 9, 21 3:18 pm  · 
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natematt

by that virtue, architecture licensure is hard to get through with just rote memorization.

I would agree that it's hard to really fail out of architecture school. Though, I also think this is partly because it's easy to burn out of it, which I think most of the people who would fail out do. 

It is interesting to me though, that I think there is this association that people have between memorization and intelligence. 

Feb 9, 21 6:44 pm  · 
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RJ87

Agreed on memorization & intelligence not being precisely correlated. I think my broader point was just that medical school (and quite frankly most other professional degrees) have more hardline benchmarks to clear before you graduate. Architecture school is about having a desire to make it to the end, you can limp there without much hassle in the grand scheme of things.
I wish I had known that sooner, I wouldn’t have been so hard on myself the first 2 years. Probably wouldn’t have lost a girlfriend or two.

Feb 9, 21 11:28 pm  · 
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x-jla

I’ve heard at some point can’t remember where...”There are 2 different types of professions, ones that preserve life, and ones that make life worth living”

Feb 9, 21 8:27 pm  · 
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