We do all make mistakes. I just posted about an animal's giant penis from work; maybe I'll get fired. But that woudl be for intentionally breaking the rules, not a mistake!
I was once advised to never label drawings as "100% Set" because no set of docs is ever 100%. EVERYONE knows that there will be mistakes and inconsistencies that require clarification after the set is issued; it ALWAYS happens. It sounds to me like your firm might have a big stick up their butt. Or maybe a tapir penis?
Yeah I mean if there is a mistake they should have you fix it and not punish you. That's how you learn.
I made one that cost a few thousand to fix once. No one was happy about it, but I wasn't punished. I learned from it, helped fix it, and now I don't make that same mistake again (it was an issue with height/depth of workspaces in some custom millwork).
not sure your level, but stupid mistakes or missed red-lines = your fault, anything else = QAQC fault. Not that it really matters as your not the one assigning blame...
never heard of a "compliant form," i assume you work for a faceless bureaucracy?
The thing is, we never used to have all these forms at the firm. All of these things have just recently been implemented because how large my firm has grown, we are now a 200+ company, earning more than ever due to taking on larger and larger jobs.
We recently hired a "management" consultant type guy to restructure the company to comply with the auditing we get now due to our growth. We now do more paperwork than actual work now, every drawing I do I have to submit it to several different systems, submit a submittal transfer form several times, then do Q/A forms which are two pages long and then send e-mail to my coordinator about the project and print the submittal forms to put into folders, plus giving them to our MD.
if you made a mistake, you should own up to it and do what you can to fix it. even if it should have been caught by qa, you should still try to do what's in the interest of your project
i don't think a non-compliant form will help fix it though. seems inundating you and your coworkers with useless paperwork and bureaucracy will make more people quit caring, and more mistakes will go out the door.
archiwutm8, what do your coworkers think of the data-recording? I've never heard of such a thing in an architecture firm, except during CA phase.
What was the nature of the mistake? On most projects the most expensive problems and greatest waste aren't from mistakes as much as poor judgment. Any idiot can fix a mistake once it's pointed out - poor judgment is intractable once baked in to the work.
It sounds like your firm's leadership is struggling to understand what value they actually bring to projects. 200 isn't particularly large for an AE firm... Management consultants are expensive. And you can be sure they don't error-log their reports, nor track the long-term performance of past clients.
How well do you trust the judgment of your firm's leadership? It sounds like they may be grasping for ideas how to manage a medium-sized office during a pretty good economic cycle, not a good sign for the future.
I honestly feel like I've entered Crazytown. In an online neighborhood forum I have a lady literally telling me the word "node" doesn't exist as an urban design term, only a biological term, and all I'm trying to do is drum up support for the use of public dollars for developers. The project is a federally-funded BRT line.
$150 for 11 images in an hour say versus 24-48 hrs on my computers. since i used to teach 3dsMax I have a real hard time paying anyone to model or do anything as it would only take me aay 15 minutes versus someones 2-4 hrs..........so $150 in one hour just for pure processing power to see some ideas is a mid level architexrs hourly but its just calculators you know...
You used to teach 3DSMax? What are some good learning resources? I haven't used it in so long and need some top ups from the beginning. How did you find the teaching gig? I taught Revit.
archiwut you sound like a person who knows the tech shit. consult for a lot of architects etc...find the academics and hopefully the program they are at are looking for studio digital support. i am in nyc. started as paid studio support and then taught full classes and then the program switched to Rhino, since Vray finally started looking good out of Rhino.......no real good books. i took scrernshots of my lectures and then did a PDF with comments, worked well for students.
well my belt buckle finally broke, damn denial...was.off to a big meeting and was worried man if I run into Macys on 34th instead hit a tourist shop and got me a knock off Prada. lets see if its a lucky belt?
How is everyone.....I just wish to know what does a student do when they have so much going on in their personal life and they become demotivated and slowly lose interest :/ especially if they've been working hard lately knowing that any future they dream of is nearly impossible no matter how enthusiastic or hard worker they were for barriers were placed by other people and external factors they have no control over :'(
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Well I managed to fuck up two drawings this week and the qa didn't manage to catch it before it went out to the client. Maybe I'll be fired.
Everyone makes mistakes. If we all got fired for them, we'd all be unemployed (and unemployable).
I think I've honestly just stopped caring and I can't seen to get this feeling out...maybe I should take a break from the whole AEC industry?
i am no longer employed, which is very exciting.
This is my second favorite sentence of the day. curt, I adore you.
My favorite sentence of the day (thus far) even though it's actually a headline not a sentence proper, is this: Watch A Tapir Scratch An Itch With His Enormous, Prehensile Penis
Archinect theme of the month is Sex, ya'll!
archiwutm8, maybe the qa will be fired?
We do all make mistakes. I just posted about an animal's giant penis from work; maybe I'll get fired. But that woudl be for intentionally breaking the rules, not a mistake!
LOL Josh!
My spirit animal is probably the blobfish.
I just found out I'm being issued a non-compliant type form stating I failed and issued a drawing with errors to the client., what the fuck.
^^Do you work at the architectural equivalent of Initech?
just take your stapler and get the fuck outta there before someone burns it down.
The issuing of the drawings is 100% QA's fault, especially if you are a junior architect or intern and not actually stamping the drawings.
Paperwork and policy replacing people and responsibility. Disgusting.
I was once advised to never label drawings as "100% Set" because no set of docs is ever 100%. EVERYONE knows that there will be mistakes and inconsistencies that require clarification after the set is issued; it ALWAYS happens. It sounds to me like your firm might have a big stick up their butt. Or maybe a tapir penis?
I made one that cost a few thousand to fix once. No one was happy about it, but I wasn't punished. I learned from it, helped fix it, and now I don't make that same mistake again (it was an issue with height/depth of workspaces in some custom millwork).
not sure your level, but stupid mistakes or missed red-lines = your fault, anything else = QAQC fault. Not that it really matters as your not the one assigning blame...
never heard of a "compliant form," i assume you work for a faceless bureaucracy?
Why is it not QA's fault?
The thing is, we never used to have all these forms at the firm. All of these things have just recently been implemented because how large my firm has grown, we are now a 200+ company, earning more than ever due to taking on larger and larger jobs.
We recently hired a "management" consultant type guy to restructure the company to comply with the auditing we get now due to our growth. We now do more paperwork than actual work now, every drawing I do I have to submit it to several different systems, submit a submittal transfer form several times, then do Q/A forms which are two pages long and then send e-mail to my coordinator about the project and print the submittal forms to put into folders, plus giving them to our MD.
Show him your tapir and say here's your compliance...
time to find another firm
if you made a mistake, you should own up to it and do what you can to fix it. even if it should have been caught by qa, you should still try to do what's in the interest of your project
i don't think a non-compliant form will help fix it though. seems inundating you and your coworkers with useless paperwork and bureaucracy will make more people quit caring, and more mistakes will go out the door.
archiwutm8, what do your coworkers think of the data-recording? I've never heard of such a thing in an architecture firm, except during CA phase.
What was the nature of the mistake? On most projects the most expensive problems and greatest waste aren't from mistakes as much as poor judgment. Any idiot can fix a mistake once it's pointed out - poor judgment is intractable once baked in to the work.
It sounds like your firm's leadership is struggling to understand what value they actually bring to projects. 200 isn't particularly large for an AE firm... Management consultants are expensive. And you can be sure they don't error-log their reports, nor track the long-term performance of past clients.
How well do you trust the judgment of your firm's leadership? It sounds like they may be grasping for ideas how to manage a medium-sized office during a pretty good economic cycle, not a good sign for the future.
agreed - i was expecting a +10,000 giant, like URS or balfor beatty
I honestly feel like I've entered Crazytown. In an online neighborhood forum I have a lady literally telling me the word "node" doesn't exist as an urban design term, only a biological term, and all I'm trying to do is drum up support for the use of public dollars for developers. The project is a federally-funded BRT line.
"Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in an ordinary voice he sounded pompous and faggy to them....."
sorry Donna, but you can't argue with stupid
can you post a link? i'd love to see the arguements
I can't shuellmi, it's NextDoor, where you have to be verified as a resident to join.
kangeroo OSB mofo's
damn rendering farms are like a high-end drinking establishments
just dropped like $150 in an hour on 11 images and not happy with my designs now...ahhh
Olaf, $150 for 11 images?
What do they do for that amount?
Meh only 150? If you got someone to do the vis for you it'd cost anywhere from 400 to 1.5k per image.
$150 for 11 images in an hour say versus 24-48 hrs on my computers. since i used to teach 3dsMax I have a real hard time paying anyone to model or do anything as it would only take me aay 15 minutes versus someones 2-4 hrs..........so $150 in one hour just for pure processing power to see some ideas is a mid level architexrs hourly but its just calculators you know...
You used to teach 3DSMax? What are some good learning resources? I haven't used it in so long and need some top ups from the beginning. How did you find the teaching gig? I taught Revit.
archiwut you sound like a person who knows the tech shit. consult for a lot of architects etc...find the academics and hopefully the program they are at are looking for studio digital support. i am in nyc. started as paid studio support and then taught full classes and then the program switched to Rhino, since Vray finally started looking good out of Rhino.......no real good books. i took scrernshots of my lectures and then did a PDF with comments, worked well for students.
Oops, posted my awesome Kangaroo meme in the wrong place. I'm not going to dirty TC this early on a beautiful friday morning.
Snowing here, but still beautiful. And Friday.
Snow?
It was -2 (Celsius) this morning so I anticipated frost at 6am... but nope, all sunshine and lollipops.
Snow?
Its cold and raining here (London)
Snow. Turning to drops as it nears the surface, no accumulation. I'm in Denver. Looks like rain falling in slow motion.
yeah, up in the mountains we've been getting an inch overnight for the past 4 days, gorgeous mornings, but enough of it already!
well my belt buckle finally broke, damn denial...was.off to a big meeting and was worried man if I run into Macys on 34th instead hit a tourist shop and got me a knock off Prada. lets see if its a lucky belt?
Is it a ninja belt?
I wear Mission belt now. One handed operation. Saves time for the important things in life.
How is everyone.....I just wish to know what does a student do when they have so much going on in their personal life and they become demotivated and slowly lose interest :/ especially if they've been working hard lately knowing that any future they dream of is nearly impossible no matter how enthusiastic or hard worker they were for barriers were placed by other people and external factors they have no control over :'(
^find a hobby outside of architecture.
Or, take a decent aluminum bat to the barriers and move on with both middle fingers proudly extended.
haha :D I don't know... aluminum sounds like a good option though
Yeah, make sure everyone works as part of your team or "Batter Up..."
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