Sure I could look around and find info already posted but theres to much bs to get through to find what I am looking for so don't post links to other threads. I am going to New York in two weeks and want to know what people think are the most recent top 10 most significant architectural works in New York? What must I absolutely see? Is there a book store in New York dedicated only to architecture books? A store like Stout Books in SF or Prarie Avenue Book Store in Chicago.
re: moma: you gotta see it, even if it's to determine on your own that you don't think it's great. when something as noteworthy as moma (or prada) hits - and it's open to the public - it's a chance to walk around in it and bring your own critical intelligence into play instead of just reading what's been written.
i actually thought prada was pretty good. materials, maybe not. but if you (f'rinstance) think of your experience of the space as elements of a story - the bridge from the entrance across the pit/looking down, the amphitheatre populated with synecdochical mannequins, the warp of the floor before you're blocked from going over the edge by the handrail, that enigmatic space at the bottom, the difference in character of the two entry conditions - it works as an experience. i expect that the materials were beside the point, or that they were chosen more for surface effect than anything else. if i turn off my eco-sense, i guess i could say that you don't necessarily expect longevity from the materials in a retail interior.
it's hilarious how many people say so much about how much OMA-RK is rubbish. the tired chorus of hating easily comprises half the tennor about the guy who is STILL the most talked about architect on earth.
i don't need to defend oma-rk for the prada building or anything else, they'll continue to be more relevant than the bitter cynics and critics who will never totally like anything.
your hating only makes rem stronger. mooooahhh ah ah ah ah ah (!)
yes, most talked about. it's not a value judgement. I'm merely pointing out that paradoxically, the sheer quantity of hating of oma-rk only makes them 'bigger'.
a professor of mine in first year wrote 'I LIKE' on my desk the first day of class, then drew a circle around it and a slash through it.
we should tell zeth01 WHY we think things are worth or not worth seeing, HOW they're good or bad. if we all did it, this site would be that much more interesting...
Asymptote interior is in the meatpacking district, I believe it is actually on 14th street? Also in that nabe is the vitra store, ROY, a stella mccartney boutique that is nice and a whole handful of small boutiques and bars that are just oh so hip. Oh and there is a gallery by LO-TEK and another boutique, comme de garcon, with a sweet entrance by a british firm that now escapes me......basically 12-23rd is a decent hike of galleries, boutiques, bars and resturaunts. SHOP has their parasite-esque building right there on like 16th and 9th or something, also nice.
prada is ok, the apple store is around the corner in soho as well, on green or wooster and that is slick also. Nouvel has a bldg in the making on grand and broadway
LTL has a small interior on Norfolk in the LES and a resturaunt up in Hells Kitchen, 50 something and 9th - I ate there and didn't even know it........
Mies/Johnson and diller scofidio got in ed together right across from the lever house, maybe worth checking it out and getting a really big beer as well. Not far from Urban Center for Books which is also way hot and in a McKim mead and white bldg
why am I such an archi-whore all of a sudden and how come I can't spell?
oh PS1 is a solid visit if you want to go to LIC on the 7.
i havent been yet, but for "architecture as art" for lack of better, the henry urbach gallery should host a nice collection. look it up online for hours and local. he spoke at columbia this summer. it was neat.
we should tell zeth01 WHY we think things are worth or not worth seeing, HOW they're good or bad. if we all did it, this site would be that much more interesting...
Amen, Steven, amen amen amen.
Folk Art Museum is at the top of my list. Williams and Tsien handled the concrete like a living being. The stair - the way it is rough on the sides and ground smooth on the treads - made me think of seeing a body simultaneously on the inside and the outside, and always reminded me of this:
wax anatomical medical study model at the Josephinum, Vienna
But don't let that put you off - go see the building. Every bit of materal there is gorgeous, and used thoughtfully.
yes! #1 is the Folk art museum! Architecture there is more than merely about deploying the latest bag of tricks. There the sequence, the light, the section, the materials, the details, the .....are pure poetry.
if you have the time, I would go to the Museum of Folk Art early in the day, and then again later on...you won't have to pay twice, and you can experience it under the changing light.
mdler-good job on the apples to apples comparison there. why you such an ass?
i know you hate everything rem cause you think he is too cool for school but I don't think knocking prada based on how much a client wants to pay is the best way to go. why don't you consider the buildings in a different manner?
what was OMA trying to do with their prada stores? was it effective? Was it worth the doing? was it done well?
Not for me to say but, a museum, and a great one at that, is a much different animal than a boutique fashion company expaning and re-defining their empire.
American Folk Art Museum, then walk down 54th to the new MOMA,
Prada SoHo just so you can make up your own mind wether it's crap or not, frankly I kind of like it.
While your in SoHo, check out Max/Mara's store and the glass staircase at the Apple store down the street from the Prada on Prince st.
Lever House and its renovations on park ave, then check out the Segram Building next door.
The W Hotel in Times Square has alot of "coolly" designed interior spaces.
Time Warner Center on 59th street (again this is sort of give or take and controversial, but the overall formal arrangement is very good, as is, i do believe, the world's most expensive curtain wall hanging in front of it)
Foster's Hurst Tower right down the ave from Time Warner (still partially under construction but the exterior is pretty much done)
These are just off the top of my head, but there are plenty more.
I just happen to have a big smelly coffee table book (from the library) in front of me entitled: 'New York: Architecture and Design', isbn 3937718214, published by daab.
Anyway, here are some sites from the book that look interesting (altho some I've merely noticed on past visits)
The U.N. building> must be the most under rated site on the whole island considering it's function
The city's railway and bus stations> word up people, are these places not iconic?
Cooper Union building and Astor Place subway station> buy your underwear at Kmart and feel doubly retarded for not being a Cooper U student. If you need a toilet use the starbucks next to the engineering(?) building.
557 Broadway> walk around the block and see the other side of this amazing facade
295 Grand> looks like a great place to have a beer
119 Hudson St.> an Issey Miyake shop in Tribecca by F.O. Gehry
When you spend an entire afternoon walking around Chelsea gallery district don't miss the Gagosian Gallery, 555 W. 24th St.> it's practically a musuem, and it's free as are all the galleries (one way of avoiding the MOMA and still getting a dose, although the mid 50s have alot of good stuff, my favorite being the reading room of the NYC Public Library, also free).
501 W. 23rd St.> by Smth and Thomson, you probably wouldn't miss this one if you were on a gallery crawl.
Don't forget to walk across the Brooklyn bridge!
Oh, and regarding Rem K.(when was the last time any of the rest of youz wrote a book?), why doncha have a look at the guy's book, "Delirious New York", isbn 9064502110, first published in '78, so it might not seem too fresh; then again, neither does the air in the subway but people still use it.
i think the brasserie is a bigger piece of junk than prada. both are projects with a lot of hot air, and not much in terms of goods. They're both just gimmicky interior jobs.
New York top ten most recent
Sure I could look around and find info already posted but theres to much bs to get through to find what I am looking for so don't post links to other threads. I am going to New York in two weeks and want to know what people think are the most recent top 10 most significant architectural works in New York? What must I absolutely see? Is there a book store in New York dedicated only to architecture books? A store like Stout Books in SF or Prarie Avenue Book Store in Chicago.
i always stop at urban center books when i'm in town...
link
i've never been to stout, so i don't know how it compares, but i always drop some change at UCB
There's a Rizzoli store in the 50's somewhere. Urban Center is really amazing, lot of back issue selection
rizzoli is on 57th at 5th. Go to 53rd between 6th and 5th. MOMA, Folk Art, Saarinen's CBS bldg, American Craft Museum
lever house redo
grand central station
rose center
american folk art museum
austrian cultural institute
i could only think of 5, i'm sure the natives can think of 50
Prada is tres cool. Bring your spy camera.
um, moma?
if you can afford the entrance fee...
while you're at Prada, the MoMA store, also in SOHO, is pretty cool...
Am I the only one that thinks the Prada in NYC is overrated and crap?
totally agree - looked really cheap + like a flea-market threw up in there.
i would say crap at best
me too -- and nymoma ain't so great either (the building, that is--pay the $20, see the art, you almost kinda have to)
re: moma: you gotta see it, even if it's to determine on your own that you don't think it's great. when something as noteworthy as moma (or prada) hits - and it's open to the public - it's a chance to walk around in it and bring your own critical intelligence into play instead of just reading what's been written.
i actually thought prada was pretty good. materials, maybe not. but if you (f'rinstance) think of your experience of the space as elements of a story - the bridge from the entrance across the pit/looking down, the amphitheatre populated with synecdochical mannequins, the warp of the floor before you're blocked from going over the edge by the handrail, that enigmatic space at the bottom, the difference in character of the two entry conditions - it works as an experience. i expect that the materials were beside the point, or that they were chosen more for surface effect than anything else. if i turn off my eco-sense, i guess i could say that you don't necessarily expect longevity from the materials in a retail interior.
SW, good point
it's hilarious how many people say so much about how much OMA-RK is rubbish. the tired chorus of hating easily comprises half the tennor about the guy who is STILL the most talked about architect on earth.
i don't need to defend oma-rk for the prada building or anything else, they'll continue to be more relevant than the bitter cynics and critics who will never totally like anything.
your hating only makes rem stronger. mooooahhh ah ah ah ah ah (!)
PS, go see prada if you like architecture.
really?
my dad would probably say, the bigger the deer, the more i wanna shoot it
i just don't happen to like the prada store...i actually REALLY like the mccormick student center at IIT in chicago
i agree, that is a better project
yes, most talked about. it's not a value judgement. I'm merely pointing out that paradoxically, the sheer quantity of hating of oma-rk only makes them 'bigger'.
a professor of mine in first year wrote 'I LIKE' on my desk the first day of class, then drew a circle around it and a slash through it.
we should tell zeth01 WHY we think things are worth or not worth seeing, HOW they're good or bad. if we all did it, this site would be that much more interesting...
LA prada is crap as well...rock on REM
asymptote did an interior. cant remember where. also ltl did some clean interiors to restr'ts. and i agree. prada.
Asymptote interior is in the meatpacking district, I believe it is actually on 14th street? Also in that nabe is the vitra store, ROY, a stella mccartney boutique that is nice and a whole handful of small boutiques and bars that are just oh so hip. Oh and there is a gallery by LO-TEK and another boutique, comme de garcon, with a sweet entrance by a british firm that now escapes me......basically 12-23rd is a decent hike of galleries, boutiques, bars and resturaunts. SHOP has their parasite-esque building right there on like 16th and 9th or something, also nice.
prada is ok, the apple store is around the corner in soho as well, on green or wooster and that is slick also. Nouvel has a bldg in the making on grand and broadway
LTL has a small interior on Norfolk in the LES and a resturaunt up in Hells Kitchen, 50 something and 9th - I ate there and didn't even know it........
Mies/Johnson and diller scofidio got in ed together right across from the lever house, maybe worth checking it out and getting a really big beer as well. Not far from Urban Center for Books which is also way hot and in a McKim mead and white bldg
why am I such an archi-whore all of a sudden and how come I can't spell?
oh PS1 is a solid visit if you want to go to LIC on the 7.
the comme de garcon is by future systems
i havent been yet, but for "architecture as art" for lack of better, the henry urbach gallery should host a nice collection. look it up online for hours and local. he spoke at columbia this summer. it was neat.
Amen, Steven, amen amen amen.
Folk Art Museum is at the top of my list. Williams and Tsien handled the concrete like a living being. The stair - the way it is rough on the sides and ground smooth on the treads - made me think of seeing a body simultaneously on the inside and the outside, and always reminded me of this:
wax anatomical medical study model at the Josephinum, Vienna
But don't let that put you off - go see the building. Every bit of materal there is gorgeous, and used thoughtfully.
u can find it in philly
yes! #1 is the Folk art museum! Architecture there is more than merely about deploying the latest bag of tricks. There the sequence, the light, the section, the materials, the details, the .....are pure poetry.
Go there first.
if you have the time, I would go to the Museum of Folk Art early in the day, and then again later on...you won't have to pay twice, and you can experience it under the changing light.
amazing piece of architecture.
THANKS EVERYONE
prada and folk art opened at the same time...prada cost over twice as much as folk art (40+ million vs. 20+ million)
prada is an interior renovation...folk art a 5 story ground up construction
prada is unfinished gyp and zebra wood veneer...folk art, concrete and bronze
diller|scofidio's BRASSERIE is worth a looksee - cool bathroom as well.
http://www.arcspace.com/architects/DillerScofidio/Brasserie/
mdler-good job on the apples to apples comparison there. why you such an ass?
i know you hate everything rem cause you think he is too cool for school but I don't think knocking prada based on how much a client wants to pay is the best way to go. why don't you consider the buildings in a different manner?
what was OMA trying to do with their prada stores? was it effective? Was it worth the doing? was it done well?
Not for me to say but, a museum, and a great one at that, is a much different animal than a boutique fashion company expaning and re-defining their empire.
aeaa,
im just saying...also, that zumthor book the old girlfriend gave you...
aaah that zumthor book, our pipes froze last winter and I ad to burn the sucker for heat!!
I thought you foud a copy?
aaah that zumthor book, our pipes froze last winter and I ad to burn the sucker for heat!!
I thought you found a copy?
aaah that zumthor book, our pipes froze last winter and I had to burn the sucker for heat!!
I thought you found a copy?
i have a copy...have you seen the zumthor thread???
Prada Store tip:
If you slide down the hump, you will only get tsk-tsked by the security guard. So do it.
American Folk Art Museum, then walk down 54th to the new MOMA,
Prada SoHo just so you can make up your own mind wether it's crap or not, frankly I kind of like it.
While your in SoHo, check out Max/Mara's store and the glass staircase at the Apple store down the street from the Prada on Prince st.
Lever House and its renovations on park ave, then check out the Segram Building next door.
The W Hotel in Times Square has alot of "coolly" designed interior spaces.
Time Warner Center on 59th street (again this is sort of give or take and controversial, but the overall formal arrangement is very good, as is, i do believe, the world's most expensive curtain wall hanging in front of it)
Foster's Hurst Tower right down the ave from Time Warner (still partially under construction but the exterior is pretty much done)
These are just off the top of my head, but there are plenty more.
I just happen to have a big smelly coffee table book (from the library) in front of me entitled: 'New York: Architecture and Design', isbn 3937718214, published by daab.
Anyway, here are some sites from the book that look interesting (altho some I've merely noticed on past visits)
The U.N. building> must be the most under rated site on the whole island considering it's function
The city's railway and bus stations> word up people, are these places not iconic?
Cooper Union building and Astor Place subway station> buy your underwear at Kmart and feel doubly retarded for not being a Cooper U student. If you need a toilet use the starbucks next to the engineering(?) building.
557 Broadway> walk around the block and see the other side of this amazing facade
295 Grand> looks like a great place to have a beer
119 Hudson St.> an Issey Miyake shop in Tribecca by F.O. Gehry
When you spend an entire afternoon walking around Chelsea gallery district don't miss the Gagosian Gallery, 555 W. 24th St.> it's practically a musuem, and it's free as are all the galleries (one way of avoiding the MOMA and still getting a dose, although the mid 50s have alot of good stuff, my favorite being the reading room of the NYC Public Library, also free).
501 W. 23rd St.> by Smth and Thomson, you probably wouldn't miss this one if you were on a gallery crawl.
Don't forget to walk across the Brooklyn bridge!
Oh, and regarding Rem K.(when was the last time any of the rest of youz wrote a book?), why doncha have a look at the guy's book, "Delirious New York", isbn 9064502110, first published in '78, so it might not seem too fresh; then again, neither does the air in the subway but people still use it.
i am still very fond of the earth room...and although i have my own reasons which i could explain, i'll leave you to dig up your own opinions of it
*anti-per bump*
thanks for your efforts A Center for Ants!!!!
yes, thanks for them, hopefully they go away
cool...
I'll help
*anti-per bump*
*almost there*
i think the brasserie is a bigger piece of junk than prada. both are projects with a lot of hot air, and not much in terms of goods. They're both just gimmicky interior jobs.
Go see the ford foundation building
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