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Archinect Posting Job Openings without Salary Range

The_Crow

Hi Archinect,

As of today salary ranges must be posted with all jobs within NYC city limits. Why are there still job openings being posted today that do not comply? I believe the whole community would appreciate it if this was rectified. Thanks!


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/1...

 
Nov 1, 22 9:35 am

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Bench

Didnt even think of this. Would love to see it happen ...

Nov 1, 22 9:46 am  · 
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flatroof

Just been updated now all NYC firm jobs show:

$Experience-$Exposure

Nov 1, 22 11:06 am  · 
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DickCheney

I live in a state that this law has passed. I flag every single job post I see that does not include salary. A bunch of bullshit IMO. Architect and LI need to do their work and make sure all posts comply.

Nov 1, 22 11:07 am  · 
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Non Sequitur

fascinating.

Nov 1, 22 11:14 am  · 
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Colorado is the same.  Salary / hourly pay must be posted.

Nov 1, 22 11:24 am  · 
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Bench

I imagine there would be some sort of grandfathering clause, where previous ads posted to third-party websites (archinect) wouldn't need to be rectified after the fact, but new ones moving forward would be affected?

Nov 1, 22 12:02 pm  · 
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Archinect

We have been covering updates to laws surrounding salary transparency, as you can see here.

We regularly reach out to firms posting in locations that require this, reminding them of the requirements. Since yesterday, over 50 job ads on Archinect Jobs, based in NYC, have been updated by the employers. 

When a firm posts a job they are again reminded to comply with local laws. 

Nov 1, 22 12:03 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

How many adds were pulled (by the employer) following the reminder?

Nov 1, 22 12:13 pm  · 
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How many adds were pulled by Archinect when they learned the employers add didn't follow the law?

Nov 1, 22 12:15 pm  · 
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DickCheney

Lol, probz none. Companies should be fined anytime they do not post salary range in states that require it. I bet that would teach them. I work at a large corporate office and when salary ranges were internally discussed between co-workers we were swiftly met with management fighting against us saying it was unprofessional and only hurt us the more. In reality, we all could see where disparages were in salary range and gap and lead to a bunch of people requesting raises citing others salaries. That was something. TMYK.

Nov 1, 22 12:33 pm  · 
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Non Sequitur

Attention Big Green Head, Archinect should have input fields for position and salary when one makes a job posting that way you can set up quick databases. Turn this site into a revit model! Everything is now bim.

Nov 1, 22 6:32 pm  · 
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I agree. Optionally, the site can impose the requirement of a salary range as a rule of the website platform as a condition of posting job positions on the site... unless there is a legal issue that prohibits such. In my opinion, it would be easier for the site platform to optionally require it as a site rule versus only requiring it for positions in states or local level jurisdiction that requires it.

Keeping track of what jurisdictions requires it and what doesn't is not really sustainable.

Nov 2, 22 11:56 pm  · 
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Since California and Washington state has adopted pay transparency laws.... I would suspect to see Oregon doing so before long.

Oregon has a tradition in history of adopting laws after California adopts such a law and when also Washington state does so, it usually almost a guarantee that Oregon will soon after adopt a version of such laws to be in similar alignment of laws as neighboring states. 

Nov 3, 22 12:02 am  · 
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Oregon does have an equal pay act but not entirely certain that it is quite the same as pay transparency acts requiring disclosure of salary range for such positions but it's an easy amendment if it hasn't been done already.

Nov 3, 22 12:28 am  · 
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zlance

Dear archinect, you should really require a salary range from employers in the NYC area. They may not even be aware that they need to supply that, so you would, in fact, be doing them and the potential employees a favor.

Jan 24, 23 1:14 pm  · 
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zlance

Dear archinect, you should really require a salary range from employers in the NYC area. They may not even be aware that they need to supply that, so you would, in fact, be doing them and the potential employees a favor.

Jan 24, 23 1:14 pm  · 
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msparchitect

DXA posted a job here on Archinect yesterday without salary information (it was the last day not requiring it) but interestingly cross-posted on Indeed with a salary of $115k+. Maybe they think users of Archinect go for cheaper...

I think this is great for the profession as a whole and ultimately should help drive up fees (and ultimately salaries for many) for services across the board. 

Nov 1, 22 4:54 pm  · 
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atelier nobody

California goes into effect Jan 1, and they have to disclose pay scale & ranges to current employees. I'm guessing I'm actually fairly high in the range for my pay grade, but it'll be interesting to know for sure.

Nov 1, 22 5:37 pm  · 
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The_Crow

Archinect should create a feature that allows for users to flag posts without the salary range within NY. Shigeru Ban still getting away with it today... 

Nov 2, 22 10:32 am  · 
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DickCheney

*slams pen on desk* MMMMOOOODDDDSSS!!!!!! Wake up from nap!

Nov 2, 22 11:05 am  · 
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msparchitect

I've updated my profile to include all of the salary transparency information. My portfolio is the PDF. I'm applying to all the jobs listed without salary listed. I wish there was a direct email to report advertisements. I'll have to make 311 calls I suppose.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/cchr/media/pay-transparency.page

Nov 2, 22 3:29 pm  · 
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DickCheney

In Colorado their is a website online to file complaints.

Nov 2, 22 4:40 pm  · 
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DickCheney

MOOOOOODDDDSSSS!!!!! I will file a complaint and be a total Karen if you do not remove the job post or force Sugar Ban to place a salary description.


"Employers who violate the salary transparency requirements will have 30 days to correct their actions, through paying damages to affected employees, administering training and changing the listings. If it does not comply, an employer could be charged up to $250,000 in civil
penalties.
"

Nov 2, 22 2:17 pm  · 
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monosierra

Does SBA get the Pritzker exemption + Do Gooder Bonus like Elemental used to claim ?

Nov 2, 22 4:19 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

It looks like the Sociopath doesn't know how to file a complaint with the correct AHJ.

Nov 2, 22 8:50 pm  · 
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DickCheney

Listen b3tadine. I may not have the clout you have on here but I'll entertain you for a moment. Getting constant email notifications that some sad sod is down-voting every single comment I leave on this website is comical. If you've got nothing better to do than to search me out and downvote, then I can imagine something is not right with you.

Nov 2, 22 10:40 pm  · 
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EnigmaticOne, do you have legal standing? The mods and Archinect itself, on this site aren't legally required to do squat except for any job postings for employment for Archinect itself. Some mods on this site may run firms but it is the employer posting such job positions who is responsible. How about bark up the right tree instead of the wrong trees.

Nov 2, 22 11:48 pm  · 
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If you have a problem with an employer not posting the salary range, then take your complaint to the employer and the governmental authority that has jurisdiction to enforce such legal requirements.

Nov 2, 22 11:51 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I can't figure out what's more sociopathic, a person who up votes their own comments, or one that can't figure out how internets work. Did you just roll out of boomer bed?

Nov 2, 22 11:58 pm  · 
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b3ta,

I don't know who you are responding to. I'm not criticizing what Archinect is doing but pointing to EnigmaticOne that he's barking up the wrong tree.

Nov 3, 22 12:09 am  · 
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DickCheney

Balkins I will leave this for you.

https://aboutblaw.com/5x5

Nov 3, 22 12:20 am  · 
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TY but it is ultimately the employer that is responsible for compliance. Any employer in NYC that violates or not compliant with said laws, complaints should be files with that city for positions in NYC.

Nov 3, 22 12:42 am  · 
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DickCheney

Boomer b3tadine after googling how to paste photo into Archinect of his lord and savior Trump, proceeds to google to conservative deepfake porn.

Nov 3, 22 12:16 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

This makes about as much sense as your other posts, but I'll give you this, the name, fits the person. Dick.

But you should use your high school yearbook photo, Dick.


Nov 3, 22 5:52 am  · 
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DickCheney wrote: 

"Boomer b3tadine after googling how to paste photo into Archinect of his lord and savior Trump, proceeds to google to conservative deepfake porn."

You do realize that b3ta is around 40 years old right?  Also he hates Trump.  you on the other hand seem to have a think for Dick.  

Nov 3, 22 12:54 pm  · 
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While I usually don't go by Dick, there are times when I'm in the mood of "don't give a shit" that Dick is just fine and fitting the moment but as for this whole debacle with EnigmaticOne (now going by DickCheney here on this forum) is apparently quite fitting.

Nov 3, 22 6:33 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Now, back to the law:


The New York law will take effect 270 days after signed by Governor Hochul, assuming she signs it. So the effective date may be sometime in March 2023, depending on the date of signature.

Nov 3, 22 6:58 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

Additionally:

Employers who fail to comply with the statute face civil penalties of up to $3,000, depending on employer size, good faith, gravity of the violation, and history of previous violations. Any person aggrieved by a violation of the statute can file a complaint with the New York labor commissioner, but there is no private right of action for an employee to file a lawsuit against the employer. Employers are, however, expressly prohibited from refusing to interview or hire or otherwise retaliating against any applicant or employee who exercises rights under the statute.


Nov 3, 22 6:59 am  · 
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msparchitect

That's the New York STATE law. This thread is about the New York City law. Just so there's no confusion. 

Nov 3, 22 10:13 am  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

True! We need something like this in my state.

Nov 3, 22 5:20 pm  · 
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I agree. The EO aka DickCheney fellow, is referring to the NY City law that is currently in effect... I think the NY state-wide law will come into play soon enough. I agree with b3ta.

Nov 3, 22 6:36 pm  · 
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b3tadine[sutures]

I'm all for copping, or shaming regarding this issue, but I still believe we need to, as a profession, act collectively, and fight for our rights as workers. Solidarity to the architectural worker.

Nov 3, 22 7:02 am  · 
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Strange Cascades

The Shigeru Ban job posting is still up without a Salary Range. Why hasn't it been pulled down by now?!

Nov 5, 22 9:32 am  · 
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First thing first. The two position postings back in September, Archinect should verify if the positions are still opened or had been filled. This determines the next step. If the positions are still open, Archinect should request that it is updated with the salary range if the positions are indeed to be in New York City, NY. They should give a deadline or Archinect may opt to remove the job posting. Anyone can take screenshots and report to the city for any violation. If those positions are filled, they are removed. Old copies of any position should be removed. The position posted Nov. 1, should be corrected with the salary range for compliance with New York City.

Nov 5, 22 3:35 pm  · 
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Before anyone gets upset about my suggestion, I do believe that it really is the employer's responsibility for the listing of positions they are hiring, its content, and delisting positions filled but sometimes the platform (archinect in this case) may need to do some nudge on the issue.

Nov 5, 22 4:07 pm  · 
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moola

A quick analysis showing the percentage of NYC job postings on Architect that include a salary range.  This is a 30-day average - 10/31/22 is the last day where there was no requirement, and 11/30/22 is the first day where all the postings during the previous 30-days were legally required to include a salary range.

Dec 9, 22 10:44 am  · 
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Bumping this to add Washington State to the list of areas with salary transparency laws in effect now. Interesting to note that it doesn't just affect companies based in WA, but also includes companies with at least one worker based in WA or if they are recruiting for a job that could be filled by a WA-based worker including remote workers.

https://www.seattletimes.com/b...

Jan 6, 23 8:47 pm  · 
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moola

Updated analysis for ads posted through 1/21/23; currently holding steady at only ~55% of NYC ads including salary data.


Jan 23, 23 11:12 am  · 
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pandahut

Correct me if I am wrong, 60% and below is an F, correct?

Jan 23, 23 12:14 pm  · 
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Depends on the grading curve . . .

Jan 23, 23 12:44 pm  · 
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Dropping this here for posterity: Salary Transparency Laws (blog post collection of various laws)

If you have any updated information or see any issues with the information presented, please leave a comment over there so I can update the post.

Jan 23, 23 8:02 pm  · 
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