A.I- I remember maybe you mentioned once you lived in the Emirates or one of the GCC countries? , then you can see why I can't discuss further.. politics is actually not my field! basically was trying to say that this political not religious.. and yeah mentioned those countries as they were victimized by ISIS, no facts are ignored here.. I'm sure these governments ( such asTurkish and Jordanian) haven't foreseen the monster they WERE feeding created by the U.S government! what the ISIS really wants? CONTROL, and there're somebody out there who is still feeding the monster for his own interest!
Please don't think any country represents any religion, they only represent their own interests..
Olaf- ...."thank god most religious people are not fundamentalist.".. so I understand you're a religious person now? how do you see yourself? a moderate? do you tolerate extremist within your own religion or beliefs? please don't tell me there're no extremism belong to your ideology!
"relgion and culture are a choice".. NOWAY! did you know that Muslims are allowed to be killed if they declare they're no longer Muslims!
Why is it that I have never met a non-observing Muslim? All my muslim friends follow some sort of shit prescribed in the Quran - be it Halal or praying 5 times etc etc.
zaina i was joking, i think a lot gets lost in a forum discussion. if god existed there would be no reason to believe in him, i do not believe in anything. so does that mean I know god? haha..............peter see zaina's post on why it actually is or is not a chouce............"your name" how so? could you please recite some verses that explain a very different religion? i am still waiting for someone who claims this religion to prove the bad guys wrong with their agreed upon beliefs? you can't just condemn it and say it has nothing to do with the religion without backing it. please note i have not actually mentioned this relgion once- just descriptive habits and symbols (there is a method to my madness). but what does their almighty text indeed say? are the FUNDAMENTALISTS wrong? are they yoo literal? who translate the holy texts?
Ninja, my words wasn't towards you. I am not religious to recite Quran nor Bible here nor defend any religion, but since you are a visual person who has some kind of curiosity and talent to interpret, I will leave it up to you to imagine some goodness and universal spirituality in Islam vis-a-vis its architecture.
I'm so embarrassed that the idiot governor of my state has joined the chorus of idiot governors saying they won't accept Syrian refugees, yet every one of these idiots calls himself a Christian. Awful.
.your name, you can find spirituality in architecture without relying on some bullshit supernatural entity, be it Islam or any of the other bankrupt faiths.
Donna, don't feel too bad. We have mosques on fire over here... and we're supposed to be the nice polite ones. Crazies on both sides.
you name- how do you expect people here crazy with crazy jazz music or blown away by Las Vegas casinos' lights to appreciate such a beautiful heritage? lose this pic.. it means nothing in the context!
Donna there are some things about Christianity you don't understand apparently. For example, that the New Testament supersedes the tenants of the old testament ( I think you made a reference earlier to stoning rape victims). Another example is that Christians aren't necessarily duty bound (by charity) to put up with the demise of their own families/ cities/ counties/ states/ nations by accommodating an influx of potentially violent migrants into their living space. There is nothing Christian about accommodating self-destruction and at the same time preserving oneself and prospects for progeny (its interesting how those without kids are often the ones to speak so vehemently about the need to accommodate all these social programs such as mass immigration which inevitably bankrupt and disenfranchise the future prospects of the native peoples). Apparently, many liberals in Europe are mistaken about Christ already having made that sacrifice through his crucifixion. Yes I'm speaking to the forum generally as there are many in general who (in spite of their professed agnosticism/ atheism) speak of what Christians supposedly believe yet have no way of knowing. Best to ask a practitioner/ believer if you want to know.
Non seq, maybe/ maybe not. But there is an obligation for the sake of integrity to at least get the ideological position correct for the sake of reasoning properly.
thank you ypur ame, i have studied and tried to recreate such architecture in the past......what I am really looking for and maybe another way to state it - is take your religion back people or is it reallt this violent.... i am also wondering does the average person who claims this religion, are they capable of pointing to verses that prove a very much otherwise position perhaps. kind of in the way Good-Knight. do you fully rely on clerics? failed sons and perhaps like many priests - homosexuals who have no community to acdept them. what if the religion indeed says go kill?
Good_Knight, I'm a baptized and confirmed Lutheran. I am 100% certain Jesus taught that we should love the least among us, that we should sell the things we own and give them to the poor, that we should turn the other cheek when offense visits us, that we should love one another above all else.
So fuck off with your self-serving, childish misreading of sacred teachings. Are you a US citizen? Then you've already "bankrupt(ed) and disenfranchise(d) the future prospects of the native peoples".
Anonymous coward. And most likely a shitty architect, too.
donna where is the love and forgiveness? kidding. Lutheran's are cool, a college classmates father, phd from harvard, was in charge of the theology for that denomination. if anyone bothered clicking on my link above you would find we are pretty much splitting hairs here between all these religions - the big 3 (granted 1 of those population wise is very small). ........... either its bad western media or just a different tradition but what I do not see are moderates belting out theological interpetations of the prophet's revelations............ in my area of US there are signs off of highways that state this religion says be kind to women, but doesnt reference anything. means nothing to anyone who may want to be fundamentally correct about interpreting the holy text...........
.... how many times you seen John 3:16. some people might think thats some weird western time stamp?.........
......why couldn't one theologically make thus religion agree with being French? find me a moderate that knows their theology like Donna and Good-Knight do? is there a black hole between the people who blindly and mildly claim this religion and its culture and those who practice and understand it full-on? why can't this religion be French? French are not racist, you are either just French or you are not. Le Corbusier was Swiss but he sure as hell is French! Same goes for the Algerian born French philospher Albert Camus.....and on and on this list would go.
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' 39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.…
Well said Donna! I was raised Catholic, I'm not "religious" anymore, but Im pretty sure Jesus would tell us to help those poor refugees...I never understood why some people feel more compassion for an American life than a Foreign life...That probably makes me a bad patriot, but I just dont get it...Get a Powers of 10 perspective...If you zoom in and out often love, peace, and compassion become so easy...
I'm going to stir the pot a bit here...we can quote Christian scripture, promoting our well intentioned values but america outspends the rest of the world in the billions on intelligence and defense. And we have also given up a lot of personal liberty through the patriot act.
This attack its not only on Paris, its on entire Humanity. What the hell is this happening. India, France and now threat is for USA. We all have to stand against it. Stop Terrorism.
are any of these crazies' literate or do they rely on the closet clerics (this is why they are deeply angry, give them a rainbow flag and let them run around in cut off shorts they'd be in heaven on earth).
Islam is a belief system. Terrorism is a tactic. They are not necessarily synonymous. Thirty years ago terrorism was employed by Shin Fein in Ireland. Sixty years ago is was used by radical Puerto Rican separatists. Menachem Begin was an Israeli terrorist. However, in today's world most Muslims may not be terrorists, but most (all?) terrorists are Muslims.
The more disturbing question is, if violent jihadis are only an infinitesimal percentage of the Muslim population, then why are they not reviled by "moderate" Muslims. If it was radical Christians or Jews or whatevers who were committing such atrocities, the media would be nuclear with condemnations from their larger religious communities. Why the silence now? Has any major Muslim religious leader spoken out about Paris? I sure as hell haven't heard any. In the wake of 9/11, the silence of the Muslim community was deafening. You could have counted the critics on one hand. There's a message there that we better face up to.
In the wake of 9/11, the silence of the Muslim community was deafening
You weren't listening to the same news sources I was, clearly. I heard plenty of Muslim people, especially those in Dearborn, MI who are mainly US citizens, decrying the perversion of their religion for terrorist acts.
If you want to stop terrorism it's important to understand exactly who the terrorists are and how they operate.
In the 1980's the US armed Saddam Hussein with chemical weapons to use against Iran, which had deposed the despot we installed and taken hostages when we wouldn't extradite him. They also used illegal drugs - sold to citizens on the streets of America - to illegally fund a war in Nicaragua. They also funded, armed and trained various warlords and mercenaries (including Osama Bin Laden) to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
In the 90's - when the peace dividend offered by the collapse of the Soviet Union (via indirect economic attrition of the Cold War) was seen as a threat to military industrial profits, the US engineered a war in Iraq by duping Saddam Hussein into an invasion of Kuwait (by slant drilling Iraqi oil under the border - guess who was running the Kuwaiti oil rigs?) and then spent the next decade bombing every municipal water, waste and electrical station in the country, causing deaths estimated up to 2 million. Remember oil for food?
In the 2000's the US invaded Afghanistan (ostensibly to 'get' Bin Laden) but in reality to build the Trans-Afghan Pipeline and then followed with an unfounded and illegal invasion of Iraq (again) for multiple purposes (oil, oil, and oil, and further destabilization of the region).
In this decade the US engineered the overthrow of the Ukraine (via mercenaries, radicals and special forces) as punishment for their not joining the Eurozone (thus saving themselves from the fate of Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc.) and as payback for Putin derailing the pending US invasion of Syria (with a brokered deal to destroy Syria's chemical weapons) to cut Russia's gas pipeline to Southern Europe and replace it with one from Oman and continues to directly fund and arm 'moderate' fundamentalist and terror groups (recently released documents show this as a plan as far back as 2012) to overthrow Syria. Groups that we are fighting at the same time.
Then there's Libya, which we turned into a stateless territory where multinational oil corporations can operate without sovereign legal interference, requiring only the protection of corporate security (graciously provided by the US taxpayer in the form of the US military).
Then there's Libya, which we turned into a stateless territory where multinational oil corporations can operate without sovereign legal interference, requiring only the protection of corporate security (graciously provided by the US taxpayer in the form of the US military).
Terrorist can be found where religion and or political beliefs combined with disenfranchisement and a few bad actors who chose to exploit peoples anger and frustration to advance their twisted ideology ferment violence. We don't even need religion in the Judo Christian tradition to have problems we can also have political ideology lead to terrorist actions such as the Tea Party in the US.
The Architectural solution, if one exist, is to design communities in a way that don't isolate and alienate people. This won't stop every possible radicalized terrorist but it can help. Otherwise we have to start hardening the soft targets with checkpoints barricades and closed safe spaces. As cities grow and prosper more soft targets will be available for attacks.
McVeigh wanted to establish a Christian Caliphate by blowing up a building full of Christians? It seems like everybody in the country denounced this. A few people, while condemning it, thought it might have been an FBI sting operation that wasn't stopped in time.
The overwhelming majority of Muslims around the world have been condemning ISIS since its inception and establishment. Is it just you have not, selectively I assume, paying attention or your ears are plugged so you only hear yourself talking? Think about it, victims of terrorist groups like ISIS have been overwhelmingly Muslim. Millions of Muslim refugees running away from Syria and Iraq are trying to save their lives in an unlivable place and wars brought upon them by the so called "coalition of the willing." Remember all the lies just a few years ago by the previous administration that we were spreading democracy? I am sure you have also conveniently forgot that or naively believed it.
Some of you are so full of doctrination of and belief system, you are missing or leaving out the most important details of this carnage and human drama.
And, why should Muslim populations should come out and "verse" apologies for ISIS? They don't own ISIS or any other terrorist group. It is not some kind of political system or organization they can control. They themselves made up by many races and nations and don't even share the same language or culture. It is not as if there a overruling supreme Muslim command center or a central Muslim legistlation. A Muslim from one country is very different than the next. It is a world problem without any particular religion. Did Christians come out and apologize for Bosnian genocide? How about Jews for Palestine? Thousands of Iraqi civilians died because of "coalition of the willing" bombing. Did anybody apologize for that? What's the use anyway? Why is this patronizing demand from all the Muslims in the world to "verse"? They are already suffering from and condemning all these terror. Etc, etc. Stop being so insanely duplicitous, and childish, stink coming out of this one sided anti refugee and immigrant arguments are really smelly.
The world has to own this problem and solve it, not building walls around but unite "people" to fight the common enemy.
got it now, moderates are uneducated in their beliefs and inherent values in the all ruling ideology of their lives, nevermind, carry on. stupid people argueing with stupid people. ok not stupid, just uneducated (moderates vs moderates) yawn. ........the amazing thing is this one christian country, well the moderates claim it as such, mainly protestants, manage to train clerics good enough to convince 1000's of souls to go die for the apocalypse on behalf of Isreal. can you believe that? Zaina your cartoon says it all. nothing to do with that relgion and culture, nothing.... a bunch of CIA agents who are most definitely white, male, ivy league,racist suburbanites have a better grasp on this relgion than the people who claim it as part of their culture.......so why do you dress like that? i don't know, my parents did so i do (nothing to do with living in a desert and having a practicle solution, including health code om pork) and when that CIA agent gets going, he is a cleric now, we tell the French they are racist and blow shit up. Am I missing anything here? the uneducated blame the dumbest group of white fat CIA males on manipulating the entire middle east and their heritage, the 2nd largest religion in the world, founded nearly 500 years after the largets is being manipulated by Bankers who on Sunday read the King James version bible.....i must be a fucking idiot to not inderstand why a religion of 2 billion people can be so easily manupilated to destory entire countries who still practice relgious law by a few CIA agents who are funded by Jews. these giys at the CIA must be fucking geniuses..........i know this isn't the forum to find people that actually know anything their religions - but Beta delivered. i guess moderates are blind sheep who blame other wolves for the behavioe of their wolves?
Where are my children sleeping tonight? I know where they are sleeping. Where are YOUR children sleeping? I have children. Forgive me if my architecture suffers and is relatively more shitty than the rest...I'm busy preparing the next generation to run planet earth and fix all the crap left behind by their selfish (very often the most selfish are the voluntarily childless) forerunners.
My children are mine (I don't play pretend that other people's children are mine) and I work my tail to the bone to not only try to keep them sleeping in a warm safe environment but also pay taxes (about 50%) that are stolen from me and given to support the immigration of people into my lands (among other dubious social causes of the delirious left) which I wasn't consulted on or agree with etc etc etc. 50% of my time and effort is stolen by the government (often represented these days by the voluntarily and overly emotional childless individual) and then redistributed without my consent as to where it goes to support the erosion of the safety and security of my own children's home (for one example the importation of disease ridden immigrants prone to crime and/or terrorism).
You want to adopt all these endless waves of foreign invaders as your children then move in with them in their lands. (in spite of the fact that nature and logic demands they can never ever in a million years be your children anyhow). What is your long term plan? Look up the demographics of the third world and places such as Syria...the world is already busting at the seams and these people are still multiplying like rabbits with no end in sight yet Europeans have contained their birthrates for multiple generations! There is no logical reason europeans (with their recessive genes) ought to be wiped out both physically and culturally by the demographic tsunami rampaging through the third world today and beyond.
But the truth is:
When emotions take over, there is no logic or reasoning with people (e.g. Donna's position that she can speak with authority on Christianity and use charity as an excuse to import hordes of strangers on other people's dime and then tell those who dissent such as myself to F off). Its pointless. Applies to both sides of any debate on all spectrums of the curve. The prefrontal lobe becomes non functioning and the amygdala takes over 100%.
FWIW the religion of the average modern westerner is equality. So I will speak to the defacto religion of today. The real problem is not the absence of religion but the fact that most people (the loudest most vocal shrill ones to be sure) are as much disciples of the modern cult of equality as any religious person ever was devoted to a cause.
"The worst form of inequality is to try and make unequal things equal" ~Aristotle
I will proudly make a blasphemous/ heretical statement which given the transcendental nature of eternal truth, was true a million years ago and will still ring true a million years from now:
Women (on average more inclined to making behavioral choices based on emotions) who can have children but elect not to as well as emotionally driven, childless beta males should not be voting. Or at least if they do vote, their vote needs to be far removed from issues which affect the long term best future interests of a given city/ county/ state/ nation. This would include anything that affects taxes and budgetary matters.
While the rest of us (fathers and mothers) are beyond busy with caring for the developmental needs of our offspring, superficial voluntarily childless women in love with themselves and childless emotional beta males adopt pets and third world immigrants as if these objects are or ever can be their children in their own distorted minds...and make the already over-strapped fathers and mothers pick up the tab for their emotionally driven, megalomaniacal "purchases" which are made with stolen money (taxes they voted for themselves to redistribute to their pets and immigrants). You can play pretend but your pets and your immigrants can never ever by any logical stretch be your own children.
Be honest with yourselves. Have your own children. Stop stealing from others.
i would most definitely say tea partiers are more likely to make decisions based on emotion compared to women. tea partiers are differentiated by the choices they make, whereas women are differentiated by their gender.
it sounds like you only care about yourself good knight, and perhaps because of that you were unable to learn about what's going on in the rest of the world, where things like other people's suffering doesn't effect you, but taxes do.
you are not a special snowflake. it isn't your world or your country. you're just one small piece of a far bigger and far more important whole. nobody has any reason at all to make decisions with the intent of making your life better, especially when you don't any concern for helping others.
Paris Attacks
Actually its not a Law against the Hajab particularly, its a law against all religious clothing and accessories.
Everything geezertect has said.
A.I- I remember maybe you mentioned once you lived in the Emirates or one of the GCC countries? , then you can see why I can't discuss further.. politics is actually not my field! basically was trying to say that this political not religious.. and yeah mentioned those countries as they were victimized by ISIS, no facts are ignored here.. I'm sure these governments ( such asTurkish and Jordanian) haven't foreseen the monster they WERE feeding created by the U.S government! what the ISIS really wants? CONTROL, and there're somebody out there who is still feeding the monster for his own interest!
Please don't think any country represents any religion, they only represent their own interests..
Olaf- ...."thank god most religious people are not fundamentalist.".. so I understand you're a religious person now? how do you see yourself? a moderate? do you tolerate extremist within your own religion or beliefs? please don't tell me there're no extremism belong to your ideology!
"relgion and culture are a choice".. NOWAY! did you know that Muslims are allowed to be killed if they declare they're no longer Muslims!
I liked the blog- Thank you
Why is it that I have never met a non-observing Muslim? All my muslim friends follow some sort of shit prescribed in the Quran - be it Halal or praying 5 times etc etc.
Zaina, you said this is political not religious, yet then say a paragraph down that you can be killed if you renounce Islam.
don't take that personally, it's a complicated topic...
From my city.. in solidarity with victims of Paris terrorist attack..
no_form- I know -_- that was supposed to be the funny part..
The amount of defamation, misinformation, deceit and hatred for world's Muslim population in this forum far eclipses the worst kind of antisemitism.
zaina i was joking, i think a lot gets lost in a forum discussion. if god existed there would be no reason to believe in him, i do not believe in anything. so does that mean I know god? haha..............peter see zaina's post on why it actually is or is not a chouce............"your name" how so? could you please recite some verses that explain a very different religion? i am still waiting for someone who claims this religion to prove the bad guys wrong with their agreed upon beliefs? you can't just condemn it and say it has nothing to do with the religion without backing it. please note i have not actually mentioned this relgion once- just descriptive habits and symbols (there is a method to my madness). but what does their almighty text indeed say? are the FUNDAMENTALISTS wrong? are they yoo literal? who translate the holy texts?
and peter you are a foolish man to think one can not choose their religion and culture unless of course you do not live in a free country......hmmm
Ninja, my words wasn't towards you. I am not religious to recite Quran nor Bible here nor defend any religion, but since you are a visual person who has some kind of curiosity and talent to interpret, I will leave it up to you to imagine some goodness and universal spirituality in Islam vis-a-vis its architecture.
I'm so embarrassed that the idiot governor of my state has joined the chorus of idiot governors saying they won't accept Syrian refugees, yet every one of these idiots calls himself a Christian. Awful.
.your name, you can find spirituality in architecture without relying on some bullshit supernatural entity, be it Islam or any of the other bankrupt faiths.
Donna, don't feel too bad. We have mosques on fire over here... and we're supposed to be the nice polite ones. Crazies on both sides.
you name- how do you expect people here crazy with crazy jazz music or blown away by Las Vegas casinos' lights to appreciate such a beautiful heritage? lose this pic.. it means nothing in the context!
Donna there are some things about Christianity you don't understand apparently. For example, that the New Testament supersedes the tenants of the old testament ( I think you made a reference earlier to stoning rape victims). Another example is that Christians aren't necessarily duty bound (by charity) to put up with the demise of their own families/ cities/ counties/ states/ nations by accommodating an influx of potentially violent migrants into their living space. There is nothing Christian about accommodating self-destruction and at the same time preserving oneself and prospects for progeny (its interesting how those without kids are often the ones to speak so vehemently about the need to accommodate all these social programs such as mass immigration which inevitably bankrupt and disenfranchise the future prospects of the native peoples). Apparently, many liberals in Europe are mistaken about Christ already having made that sacrifice through his crucifixion. Yes I'm speaking to the forum generally as there are many in general who (in spite of their professed agnosticism/ atheism) speak of what Christians supposedly believe yet have no way of knowing. Best to ask a practitioner/ believer if you want to know.
^ Christ is as much an illusion as any other god.
" crazy with crazy jazz music or blown away by Las Vegas casinos' lights" Talk about stereotypes!
Non seq, maybe/ maybe not. But there is an obligation for the sake of integrity to at least get the ideological position correct for the sake of reasoning properly.
"..the New Testament supersedes the tenants of the old testament."
Those poor evicted old testament tenants.
thank you ypur ame, i have studied and tried to recreate such architecture in the past......what I am really looking for and maybe another way to state it - is take your religion back people or is it reallt this violent.... i am also wondering does the average person who claims this religion, are they capable of pointing to verses that prove a very much otherwise position perhaps. kind of in the way Good-Knight. do you fully rely on clerics? failed sons and perhaps like many priests - homosexuals who have no community to acdept them. what if the religion indeed says go kill?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions
Good_Knight, I'm a baptized and confirmed Lutheran. I am 100% certain Jesus taught that we should love the least among us, that we should sell the things we own and give them to the poor, that we should turn the other cheek when offense visits us, that we should love one another above all else.
So fuck off with your self-serving, childish misreading of sacred teachings. Are you a US citizen? Then you've already "bankrupt(ed) and disenfranchise(d) the future prospects of the native peoples".
Anonymous coward. And most likely a shitty architect, too.
donna where is the love and forgiveness? kidding. Lutheran's are cool, a college classmates father, phd from harvard, was in charge of the theology for that denomination. if anyone bothered clicking on my link above you would find we are pretty much splitting hairs here between all these religions - the big 3 (granted 1 of those population wise is very small). ........... either its bad western media or just a different tradition but what I do not see are moderates belting out theological interpetations of the prophet's revelations............ in my area of US there are signs off of highways that state this religion says be kind to women, but doesnt reference anything. means nothing to anyone who may want to be fundamentally correct about interpreting the holy text........... .... how many times you seen John 3:16. some people might think thats some weird western time stamp?......... ......why couldn't one theologically make thus religion agree with being French? find me a moderate that knows their theology like Donna and Good-Knight do? is there a black hole between the people who blindly and mildly claim this religion and its culture and those who practice and understand it full-on? why can't this religion be French? French are not racist, you are either just French or you are not. Le Corbusier was Swiss but he sure as hell is French! Same goes for the Algerian born French philospher Albert Camus.....and on and on this list would go.
I find it not the least bit hypocritical that someone would lecture about the Bible, and yet forget all of this;
Matthew 2:13-15 – Jesus and parents flee Herod’s search for the child.
Matthew 5:10-11 –“Blessed are those who are persecuted.”
Matthew 25:31-46 – “…I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”
Luke 3:11 – “Whoever has two coats must share with anyone who has none…”
Luke 4:16-21 – “…Bring good news to the poor…release to the captives…sight to the blind...let the oppressed go free.”
Romans 12:13 – “Mark of the true Christian: “…Extend hospitality to strangers…”
II Corinthians 8:13-15 – “It is a question of a fair balance between your present abundance and their need…”
Ephesians 2:11-22 – “So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are citizens with the saints and also members of the household of God.”
Hebrews 11 – “By faith Abraham…set out for a place…not knowing where he was going.”
Hebrews 13:1-2 – “…show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels…”
James 2:5 – “Has not God chosen the poor in the world…”
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' 39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.…
Well said Donna! I was raised Catholic, I'm not "religious" anymore, but Im pretty sure Jesus would tell us to help those poor refugees...I never understood why some people feel more compassion for an American life than a Foreign life...That probably makes me a bad patriot, but I just dont get it...Get a Powers of 10 perspective...If you zoom in and out often love, peace, and compassion become so easy...
I thought we had decided - fuck religion
No no, of course not...
Islam has nothing to do with terrorism, like alcohol has nothing to do with alcoholism...
This attack its not only on Paris, its on entire Humanity.
What the hell is this happening. India, France and now threat is for USA.
We all have to stand against it.
Stop Terrorism.
the Saudi's were on it months ago....how's it going
are any of these crazies' literate or do they rely on the closet clerics (this is why they are deeply angry, give them a rainbow flag and let them run around in cut off shorts they'd be in heaven on earth).
Islam is a belief system. Terrorism is a tactic. They are not necessarily synonymous. Thirty years ago terrorism was employed by Shin Fein in Ireland. Sixty years ago is was used by radical Puerto Rican separatists. Menachem Begin was an Israeli terrorist. However, in today's world most Muslims may not be terrorists, but most (all?) terrorists are Muslims.
The more disturbing question is, if violent jihadis are only an infinitesimal percentage of the Muslim population, then why are they not reviled by "moderate" Muslims. If it was radical Christians or Jews or whatevers who were committing such atrocities, the media would be nuclear with condemnations from their larger religious communities. Why the silence now? Has any major Muslim religious leader spoken out about Paris? I sure as hell haven't heard any. In the wake of 9/11, the silence of the Muslim community was deafening. You could have counted the critics on one hand. There's a message there that we better face up to.
/\ yup. probably the most sober explanation on this forum.
can a "moderate" even qoute verse?
prove me wrong, I dare you.
In the wake of 9/11, the silence of the Muslim community was deafening
You weren't listening to the same news sources I was, clearly. I heard plenty of Muslim people, especially those in Dearborn, MI who are mainly US citizens, decrying the perversion of their religion for terrorist acts.
I'll also point out that Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed in a church by a violent Christian terrorist.
We all have to stand against it.
Stop Terrorism.
If you want to stop terrorism it's important to understand exactly who the terrorists are and how they operate.
In the 1980's the US armed Saddam Hussein with chemical weapons to use against Iran, which had deposed the despot we installed and taken hostages when we wouldn't extradite him. They also used illegal drugs - sold to citizens on the streets of America - to illegally fund a war in Nicaragua. They also funded, armed and trained various warlords and mercenaries (including Osama Bin Laden) to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.
In the 90's - when the peace dividend offered by the collapse of the Soviet Union (via indirect economic attrition of the Cold War) was seen as a threat to military industrial profits, the US engineered a war in Iraq by duping Saddam Hussein into an invasion of Kuwait (by slant drilling Iraqi oil under the border - guess who was running the Kuwaiti oil rigs?) and then spent the next decade bombing every municipal water, waste and electrical station in the country, causing deaths estimated up to 2 million. Remember oil for food?
In the 2000's the US invaded Afghanistan (ostensibly to 'get' Bin Laden) but in reality to build the Trans-Afghan Pipeline and then followed with an unfounded and illegal invasion of Iraq (again) for multiple purposes (oil, oil, and oil, and further destabilization of the region).
In this decade the US engineered the overthrow of the Ukraine (via mercenaries, radicals and special forces) as punishment for their not joining the Eurozone (thus saving themselves from the fate of Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc.) and as payback for Putin derailing the pending US invasion of Syria (with a brokered deal to destroy Syria's chemical weapons) to cut Russia's gas pipeline to Southern Europe and replace it with one from Oman and continues to directly fund and arm 'moderate' fundamentalist and terror groups (recently released documents show this as a plan as far back as 2012) to overthrow Syria. Groups that we are fighting at the same time.
Then there's Libya, which we turned into a stateless territory where multinational oil corporations can operate without sovereign legal interference, requiring only the protection of corporate security (graciously provided by the US taxpayer in the form of the US military).
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Done by a Christian terrorist, whose ideology has now been adopted by a large portion of today's GOP:
Funny how I don't remember a chorus of angry calls for moderate Christians to denounce this.
Then there's Libya, which we turned into a stateless territory where multinational oil corporations can operate without sovereign legal interference, requiring only the protection of corporate security (graciously provided by the US taxpayer in the form of the US military).
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Terrorist can be found where religion and or political beliefs combined with disenfranchisement and a few bad actors who chose to exploit peoples anger and frustration to advance their twisted ideology ferment violence. We don't even need religion in the Judo Christian tradition to have problems we can also have political ideology lead to terrorist actions such as the Tea Party in the US.
The Architectural solution, if one exist, is to design communities in a way that don't isolate and alienate people. This won't stop every possible radicalized terrorist but it can help. Otherwise we have to start hardening the soft targets with checkpoints barricades and closed safe spaces. As cities grow and prosper more soft targets will be available for attacks.
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Whose military is going to protect them, maybe a multinational force from the UN?
McVeigh wanted to establish a Christian Caliphate by blowing up a building full of Christians? It seems like everybody in the country denounced this. A few people, while condemning it, thought it might have been an FBI sting operation that wasn't stopped in time.
Miles- ..exactly!
Let's put up a wall, then put all of the people of one religion inside.
After all, it's worked so well in the past.
The overwhelming majority of Muslims around the world have been condemning ISIS since its inception and establishment. Is it just you have not, selectively I assume, paying attention or your ears are plugged so you only hear yourself talking? Think about it, victims of terrorist groups like ISIS have been overwhelmingly Muslim. Millions of Muslim refugees running away from Syria and Iraq are trying to save their lives in an unlivable place and wars brought upon them by the so called "coalition of the willing." Remember all the lies just a few years ago by the previous administration that we were spreading democracy? I am sure you have also conveniently forgot that or naively believed it.
Some of you are so full of doctrination of and belief system, you are missing or leaving out the most important details of this carnage and human drama.
And, why should Muslim populations should come out and "verse" apologies for ISIS? They don't own ISIS or any other terrorist group. It is not some kind of political system or organization they can control. They themselves made up by many races and nations and don't even share the same language or culture. It is not as if there a overruling supreme Muslim command center or a central Muslim legistlation. A Muslim from one country is very different than the next. It is a world problem without any particular religion. Did Christians come out and apologize for Bosnian genocide? How about Jews for Palestine? Thousands of Iraqi civilians died because of "coalition of the willing" bombing. Did anybody apologize for that? What's the use anyway? Why is this patronizing demand from all the Muslims in the world to "verse"? They are already suffering from and condemning all these terror. Etc, etc. Stop being so insanely duplicitous, and childish, stink coming out of this one sided anti refugee and immigrant arguments are really smelly.
The world has to own this problem and solve it, not building walls around but unite "people" to fight the common enemy.
Anti-refugee people, where are your children sleeping tonight?
One of these boys dreams of becoming an architect. Every building he loved has been blown up.
to add to your name's post above, which i admire, did christians apologize for IRA bombings, or burning black churches in fergusun, MO?
it's just incredibly stupid to think terrorism is a muslim thing, or that muslims are terrorists.
got it now, moderates are uneducated in their beliefs and inherent values in the all ruling ideology of their lives, nevermind, carry on. stupid people argueing with stupid people. ok not stupid, just uneducated (moderates vs moderates) yawn. ........the amazing thing is this one christian country, well the moderates claim it as such, mainly protestants, manage to train clerics good enough to convince 1000's of souls to go die for the apocalypse on behalf of Isreal. can you believe that? Zaina your cartoon says it all. nothing to do with that relgion and culture, nothing.... a bunch of CIA agents who are most definitely white, male, ivy league,racist suburbanites have a better grasp on this relgion than the people who claim it as part of their culture.......so why do you dress like that? i don't know, my parents did so i do (nothing to do with living in a desert and having a practicle solution, including health code om pork) and when that CIA agent gets going, he is a cleric now, we tell the French they are racist and blow shit up. Am I missing anything here? the uneducated blame the dumbest group of white fat CIA males on manipulating the entire middle east and their heritage, the 2nd largest religion in the world, founded nearly 500 years after the largets is being manipulated by Bankers who on Sunday read the King James version bible.....i must be a fucking idiot to not inderstand why a religion of 2 billion people can be so easily manupilated to destory entire countries who still practice relgious law by a few CIA agents who are funded by Jews. these giys at the CIA must be fucking geniuses..........i know this isn't the forum to find people that actually know anything their religions - but Beta delivered. i guess moderates are blind sheep who blame other wolves for the behavioe of their wolves?
Where are my children sleeping tonight? I know where they are sleeping. Where are YOUR children sleeping? I have children. Forgive me if my architecture suffers and is relatively more shitty than the rest...I'm busy preparing the next generation to run planet earth and fix all the crap left behind by their selfish (very often the most selfish are the voluntarily childless) forerunners.
My children are mine (I don't play pretend that other people's children are mine) and I work my tail to the bone to not only try to keep them sleeping in a warm safe environment but also pay taxes (about 50%) that are stolen from me and given to support the immigration of people into my lands (among other dubious social causes of the delirious left) which I wasn't consulted on or agree with etc etc etc. 50% of my time and effort is stolen by the government (often represented these days by the voluntarily and overly emotional childless individual) and then redistributed without my consent as to where it goes to support the erosion of the safety and security of my own children's home (for one example the importation of disease ridden immigrants prone to crime and/or terrorism).
You want to adopt all these endless waves of foreign invaders as your children then move in with them in their lands. (in spite of the fact that nature and logic demands they can never ever in a million years be your children anyhow). What is your long term plan? Look up the demographics of the third world and places such as Syria...the world is already busting at the seams and these people are still multiplying like rabbits with no end in sight yet Europeans have contained their birthrates for multiple generations! There is no logical reason europeans (with their recessive genes) ought to be wiped out both physically and culturally by the demographic tsunami rampaging through the third world today and beyond.
But the truth is:
When emotions take over, there is no logic or reasoning with people (e.g. Donna's position that she can speak with authority on Christianity and use charity as an excuse to import hordes of strangers on other people's dime and then tell those who dissent such as myself to F off). Its pointless. Applies to both sides of any debate on all spectrums of the curve. The prefrontal lobe becomes non functioning and the amygdala takes over 100%.
FWIW the religion of the average modern westerner is equality. So I will speak to the defacto religion of today. The real problem is not the absence of religion but the fact that most people (the loudest most vocal shrill ones to be sure) are as much disciples of the modern cult of equality as any religious person ever was devoted to a cause.
"The worst form of inequality is to try and make unequal things equal" ~Aristotle
I will proudly make a blasphemous/ heretical statement which given the transcendental nature of eternal truth, was true a million years ago and will still ring true a million years from now:
Women (on average more inclined to making behavioral choices based on emotions) who can have children but elect not to as well as emotionally driven, childless beta males should not be voting. Or at least if they do vote, their vote needs to be far removed from issues which affect the long term best future interests of a given city/ county/ state/ nation. This would include anything that affects taxes and budgetary matters.
While the rest of us (fathers and mothers) are beyond busy with caring for the developmental needs of our offspring, superficial voluntarily childless women in love with themselves and childless emotional beta males adopt pets and third world immigrants as if these objects are or ever can be their children in their own distorted minds...and make the already over-strapped fathers and mothers pick up the tab for their emotionally driven, megalomaniacal "purchases" which are made with stolen money (taxes they voted for themselves to redistribute to their pets and immigrants). You can play pretend but your pets and your immigrants can never ever by any logical stretch be your own children.
Be honest with yourselves. Have your own children. Stop stealing from others.
i would most definitely say tea partiers are more likely to make decisions based on emotion compared to women. tea partiers are differentiated by the choices they make, whereas women are differentiated by their gender.
it sounds like you only care about yourself good knight, and perhaps because of that you were unable to learn about what's going on in the rest of the world, where things like other people's suffering doesn't effect you, but taxes do.
you are not a special snowflake. it isn't your world or your country. you're just one small piece of a far bigger and far more important whole. nobody has any reason at all to make decisions with the intent of making your life better, especially when you don't any concern for helping others.
tea party? caring about whom? suffering? snowflakes? concern or not for helping others?
...looks like just another post straight from the amygdala.
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