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When does detail become too much detail?

Distant Unicorn

I've probably got two dozen or so projects I'm trying to finish up/redo for my portfolio.

But, with many of my spare time projects, I really want to communicate a basic idea or theme. Instead, I usually get sucked into a time warp of detailing things out that I shouldn't necessarily think be detailed.

I came to this sudden realization of detail versus idea with this thing I've been working on today-- it is a rehashing a previous project I did before I learned how to make renders and I've lost the original file.


full sizeeeeee

There's a few things I'd like to fix and mistakes to correct, sure... but I kind of wish I had gone into this amount of detail because the "porch" isn't really necessary to the entire concept. And because I've invested this level of detail into this one part... now everything is going to have to be detailed.

Your thoughts? Examples? Good of examples of 'basic ideas'?

 
Aug 11, 10 11:15 pm
phld21

I would focus less on correcting mistakes, and more on the overall narrative of the project. Anyone looking at the portfolio is only going to look at each image for 45 seconds max. Your projects should focus on giving a comprehensive overview of the project. Each detail, text and image you show should re-enforce the concept and show the diversity of your skills as a designer.

Aug 12, 10 8:52 am  · 
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Distant Unicorn

Well, normally... something like this, I would just render out. So I wouldn't have to clean up extra lines or make sure everything is 100% done.

However, if I say I'm detail-oriented in my portfolio and I have glaring mistakes... that's not really being detailed oriented.

Specifically, in the draw above, there's a beam missing a face, there's an actually missing beam... and the seam lines on the siding don't line up with the center of the stud.

Also, the giant huge problem with there not being a support mounted in the wall.




Do people even look for or notice those kinds of mistakes in portfolio work?

Aug 12, 10 6:12 pm  · 
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Rusty!

Rendering shown here doesn't look structurally convincing. Are the slender vertical members supposed to be load bearing? They look more like glazing mullions, and the cantilever above appears to be floating on sheet force of wishful thinking.

That said, you've already shown yourself to be a very competent 3D modeler. Level of detailing will be project specific. In this case, I would love to see a structural diagram, even if overly ambitious.

Aug 12, 10 6:35 pm  · 
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Distant Unicorn

I realize this will probably only work if made out of steel but it isn't meant to house humans.

That's all I'll say until it is done! And it is almost done.

Aug 12, 10 6:43 pm  · 
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Rusty!

Steel works well in tension. A small profile steel member with a very long span designed to withstand gravitational forces... well. You should do a rendering showing all of the steel buckling every each way. Otherwise show some cross bracing.

"but it isn't meant to house humans." Oh OK then! What's a bovine university hall worth when it isn't threatening the cows with imminent collapse? :)

Aug 12, 10 6:53 pm  · 
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binary

it's all about larger fender washers and over sized hex bolts isn't it?........well at least in the 90's it was

Aug 12, 10 7:04 pm  · 
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you are looking for archi jobs or planning? i thought somehow your degree was in urban planning?

if you are looking for a job as a designer the work should tell a story. if details are required then put in the details. otherwise don't. if you can't tell a story then the renderings won't matter. at least that is what i look for.

if you are looking for work as a modeler then take the time to get it right (ie columns and beams should be convincing). the renderings will still need to tell a story though. luxicon is always a great example of how to make renderings with a narrative feel, and they often do not put in enormous amounts of detail.

Aug 12, 10 9:14 pm  · 
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Distant Unicorn


I'm showing you her (or his) bare naked structure. WHAT A SLUT.

But seriously, I'm actually just looking for an office job. No actual planning or architect'ing desired.

I'm throwing together a portfolio to show I have useful talents outside of answering phones and using xerox machines.

Aug 13, 10 12:58 am  · 
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Distant Unicorn
Whoops, larger size here
Aug 13, 10 12:59 am  · 
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Distant Unicorn

from inside, super slutty
Aug 13, 10 1:10 am  · 
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Distant Unicorn


Bump!

Aug 13, 10 9:18 pm  · 
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Find the 7 differences

Aug 13, 10 10:22 pm  · 
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DisplacedArchitect

When does detail become too much detail?

well there are several red flags to look out for while you work at an office you used too much detail when:

a. you are called a technical guy or technical architect.

b. people start asking you how to draw stuff.

c. people don't want to ask you how to draw stuff afraid that you will judge them.

d. people don't like you much.

e. only a few people invite you to lunch.

f. last but not least drum role please... You get Pigeon holed!

Aug 13, 10 10:23 pm  · 
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Ledoux's Eye

LOL Displaced Architect. I would say that in my career, I have seen far too many "designers" show a thing from eight different angles and not a one of them shows the all-important flashing detail, while the "technical" people have shown the flashing from eight different angles without conveying the design intent. Part of the "art" of architecture is getting the balance just right.

Aug 14, 10 12:09 am  · 
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Distant Unicorn

full full full sizzle

You kind of nailed it with F displaced.

Because this side project is a vertical free-range squab farm!

Unlike most animals, pigeons actually prefer to roost and nest on vertical to near vertical spaces. And even at high densities, squab meat is far less likely to carry food-borne illnesses.

In addition to providing a local meat source-- the only specific hazards from pigeon farms are fungal infections and bird mites. And even then, pigeon farms don't actually smell unless the birds are sick or there's excessive droppings.

Lastly, pigeons not only provide one specific product (meat), their droppings and feathers are also pound for pound just as pricey as the meat is. Pigeons do quite well in cities and prior to the 20th century were often farmed for their manure alone (until the advent of chemical fertilizers).

Pigeons demands aren't as severe as other farm birds, so their environments can be more compact and storage of equipment and feed is quite minimal.

Aug 14, 10 2:34 am  · 
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DisplacedArchitect

Totally agree LE there has to be a balance, and that is what I learned in college, but if you do get pigeon holed as a designer there are so many more benefits than being pigeon holed as the technical guy, for example:



a. you dont have to abide by Newtons laws of physics, let the technical people figure it out! yea its 5pm time to go home.

b. you get to go home every day at a fairly regular time because you can take your work home on your company laptop or something, which allows you to spend more time with the family! yeaaa, oh oopsi most of the time they dont have a family much less kids, sometimes though rare.

c. you dont have to learn how to use the latest drafting programs, you can just use Sketch up or even more fun Crayola pencils all the colors of the rainbow baby. Let the technical guy draw it in Revit or Cadd, he/she has two different options a black background or a black background. Is it 5pm yet? time to go home yeaaaa!

d. while others are slaving away drawing the buildings, you get to work on Secret or Confidential projects, is it V oclock yet?

e. Plenty of time to hit the Gym so you can look hot. The technical people don't even know how to pronounce Gym do you say it G y im? whats a Gyim?

f. your annual review happens during a lunch or golf outing with the VP that sponsored you on your climb up the chain, The technical guys get an email 6 months after the review was supposed to happen, the only lunch he or she gets is the smell of the reviewers breath.

g. Its ok if you sound like an Idiot!

h. and last but not least and probably not the real last one, You get to take all the credit for the projects success! Yeaaa.

Aug 14, 10 2:48 am  · 
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