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North Korea nuclear missile range..... maybe 5 miles lateral over the waters. Elevation change +1000 ft. above mapped contour of the earth profile. Exceed those, the missile is destroyed by top secret anti-ballistic missile platforms in space and we also have surface based, aerial platforms as well as floating systems. Any time the radioactive signature of nuclear missiles move around at excessive velocity without proper signatures. It is instantly shot down. The last time they attempted to launch, a space based system was used. It got to an altitude above terrain profile and it was shot down. 

You didn't see the beam because the beam only needed to reach a frequency and amplitude to detonate the fuel which all such rockets use is volatile. All this can be done without causing the atmosphere along the beam to light up like you would see with lightning. Calculated frequency and harmonics and the beam can cause the fuel to ignite without burning a hole on the outside.  We also have rail guns that can shoot a projectile at hypersonic speeds and with enough kinetic energy to destroy the missile.

We implemented part of it during Reagan's time, Bush Sr. time, and incremental enhancements ever since under classified project budgets.

We also have enough nuclear weapons to kill the planet 12 times over. All weapons that were decommissioned, we still have the warhead for it. We have new rockets to install them. The war heads have a shelf life of 250,000 years or so. Some of them, we repackaged into a new war head with better guidance systems. They can be simply popped in and ready to be installed at weapon silos within 24-48 hours if the 'panic' protocol is implemented. We still have enough to wipe out all life on Earth 3 times over. Equal to Russia and China combined and then some in active readiness. We have enough. In the 1960s, we had enough to wipe out all life on Earth 12 times over.

We still have enough in backup and ready to have the warhead attached to kill all life on Earth about 9x on top of the 2-3 times.

One tungstem rod (Thor) dropped right on top of Kim's palace in NK, he's pretty much toast.

Carrera,

I wouldn't want to describe how I would know this. 

The extent of our nuclear weapon capability in the 1960s had been declassified some time ago. You wouldn't think the U.S. or even U.S.S.R. would have neutered their nuclear response capability. All those decommissioning photos was all a publicity stunt.

Those missiles had to be decommissioned because the rocket itself reached its service life. They just move over the nuclear ordinance to new rockets.

That is besides the point.

David Cole has nothing to worry about. 

If we had nuclear war, no one is going to survive. I'd rather have front row seating than hide in a hole in the ground which would never have enough supply to last long enough.

The area would be lethal levels for 25,000 years or more.

Miles,

Rick, you're an idiot. If thread central was a bar you would have been thrown out years ago. 

Go away, please. 

Do you think we would really disarm our nuclear capabilities. Do you think Bush Sr., former CIA director during the Cold War would actually authorize disarming of nuclear weapon capabilities. Given the information he knows about U.S.S.R. and China's nuclear capability and North Korea as well as others.

Bush Sr. would personally know about the Cuban missile crisis and the times and the threat even years later. 

You think that China isn't a threat. There's a term used these days that is apply suitable. That term is FRENEMY.

Lets also remember, just because we decommissioned a bunch of old Atlas rockets, they had took the nuclear warhead and reimplemented a large number of them since then. We also have a network of anti nuclear missile defense on earth, sky, sea and space. 

You say I'm an idiot.

Let me put it like this, if there was a full out nuclear war, what is the point of hiding oneself in a bullshit 'nuclear' bunker. It wouldn't work anyway. Most of them wouldn't block the radiation. While it may extend your life for so long before you succumb to a slower progression of radiation sickness. It's ugly, painful and terminal. 

Lets say you make a suitable nuclear bunker.... NORAD grade.  You will have a problem. 

Many parts of the earth will likely be habitable after a short while but radiation problems will likely pose a problem if you are down wind and the radioactive material is blown around and funneled down. 

A nuclear attack on Portland would be a problem for Astoria for awhile because of the funnel effect of the winds from the east blowing the dust westward during certain times of the year. Willamette valley would possibly have problems with winds driving the dust southward. Once the radioactive dust is in the ocean waters, its going to get caught up into the beach sand and churned in while being dilluted. In other cases, it would just go across onto the ocean and eventually find its way to the bottom of the ocean.

The currents will likely A) dillute concentration and disperse it over a wide area. B) Portion of it gets buried into earth material become more natural so to speak. 

However, being remote and away from the big cities is no guarantee of not being at a direct target of nuclear weapons as there are target locations in the midwest.

My point about being in front row seating is it makes no point trying to make a bunker or hiding in a bunker that doesn't even remotely have the supplies necessary to last long enough for human survival. I rather die from a nuclear blast than suffer a slow agonizing radiation based death.

Short answer:

If there was a full blown global nuclear war, there is no sense in trying to hide in a hole.

North Korea weapons would more than likely never make it to the U.S. main line because there is several systems in place to take out the missile.

The last several attempts to launch a nuclear missile failed. We can tell if a missile has a nuclear warhead or possible nuclear warhead as it would have to have a lead lined radiation shielding. The satellites in the sky can determine if such exist in the missile. We have several ways to do so. We monitor them and that region at all times. Their neighbor for one reason.

DeTwan,

I'm pointing out the scale of our nuclear weapon systems, the anti-ballistic missile defense initiatives and the technology that is behind those defense initiative and pointing out how ridiculous it would be for Kim of NK to attempt a nuclear war with the U.S.

While a real full fledge nuclear could occur with China or Russia. That would be nightmarish and if that occured, I'd say I rather take front row seating than to try to live through such a horrific nuclear holocaust. 

That is why that initiative term was apply named..... MAD (which stood for MUTUALLY ASSURED DESTRUCTION).

The reason we (U.S., Russia and China) had built up such a huge nuclear arsenal was literally to deter nuclear war because it would be profoundly clear that no one wins. Everyone loses.

That's the "Why" for the Arms race.

Miles, 

I'll continue talking on this forum as long as I damn well feel like it. You can go FUCK yourself, suck a dick, or whatever.... I don't care. It's called freedom of speech, bitch.

I told you military and classified information and some that is declassified public available information.

We had the nuclear power to kill everyone on Earth 12 times over. There would be 12 times the entire lethal levels of Earth all over the entire planet. The more people just simply means more would die in a nuclear war because of higher concentration.

You don't like this kind of topic that refers to death of people. I'm sure we can talk about more topics that isn't about guns, bombs, nuclear holocaust or mass death.

Lets talk about that. I didn't bring up nuclear weapons into this thread topic.

I do know what you are saying but I don't take orders from you or anyone.

DeTwan,

I get Miles doesn't like topics about weapons of mass destruction, gun topics and topics of the sort that is about death and destruction. It is kind of antithesis of being a designer or architect or any of the CREATIVE fields. A field that is about creation or life as it may compared to destruction... or death.

You know I didn't bring up North Korea. I referenced Nuclear missiles but Carrera brought up North Korea missile range but it was clear what kind of missiles that the picture was about.

I'm not going to discuss methods or how one would get information about classified projects. It isn't something you would detail out on some online forum or over the phone lines.

One reason I am not dead already if plausible deniability.

JBeaumont,

Right now, you are just shit talking. Everyone knows that.

If we had a global wide nuclear war, I'd wager that there would also be a global wide biological and chemical warfare going on.

All of which is bad.

JBeaumont,

You seem to be questioning my sanity. As you know, no one is charged with the task of evaluating my mental stability or discerning whether or not I am insane. They..... You.... need to ask yourselves, what is insane?  

Here's a good line or point to think about. 

"What if I told you insane was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to piss off; ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn't you consider that to be insane?" - ( source: Con Air )

Consider that for a moment.

I have no desire or intent or aspiration for mass killing of people. Might make a plot for a video game but not something you would want to really have happening in the world.

Now the ice cream is much better conversation.

Carrera,

Miles can grow up a little bit instead of being such a drama queen. He can find my sympathy in the dictionary between 'shit' and 'syphilis'. Actually that is where any people will find it in the dictionary.

Miles needs a little humor. 

I am not worried about death, either. Life without ice cream would just suck horribly.

You should recall that computer and data security were not like they are today.