Irony, allegory and dystopia − Patrik Schumacher sees no future for the type of hopelessly unrealistic education lauded by the British architectural establishment — The Architectural Review
I sympathize with PS on this one. That is why I added "(and the US)" on the title. Yes the drawings might be beautiful to some, but even then...
Also, one responder to the article, The Funambulist threads on...
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didn't we talk about that one somewhere here quite some time ago? not that its not good not to discuss it again...
Did we? The issue comes up after every school year in last few years. I guess it is no longer enough to design a building that functions as it should. Also, the romancing the illustration..
"the drama of architectecture today; that is, to se architecture obliged to return to pure architecture, to form without utopia; in the best case, to sublime uselessness" Tafuri
A proven way to enhance your status is to vilify the competition.
Zahahahahaha
I think it was Alexander Brodsky that introduced the architectural drawing as allegorical critique. It was during Glasnost time, and Brodsky was taken seriously as both artist and architect. After Brodsky, Leebeus Wood? Anyone have a chronology?
eric chavkin
What do you mean by allegorical? I don't see Lebbeus Woods work (as I understand it) as being allegorical. there has to be a parallel reality or domain being symbolized not merely illustrated.
also I believe Patrick Schumacher is being snide and condescending here.
there is a difference between an underlying critique and n indulgence in fantasies that are actually devoid of critique. or better yet, there is good insight and poetic expression thereof and bad insight and expression thereof. Patrick deliberately highlights the bad in order to give weight to his dismissal of a fundamentally poetic practice of architecture. in other words, he's using the bad examples in order to give weight to his view on what architecture is about. this is a selfish and ungraceful (i will not say disgraceful) thing to do.
as such, his criticism is not really about the place of such approaches within architecture but rather about ideological exclusion. that doesn't mean that one can't criticize a robot world as a project but patrick's reasoning lumps irony, allegory and dystopia together (poetic extra-materialist influences), highlighting questionable aspects of flamboyant student examples as his arsenal and then bombing them in order to insidiously advance his own materialist agenda. a materialist agenda that hypocritically is based equally on different kinds of allegories (swarms and such like) - a practice of signification his agenda would not want to confess to.
i am sorry to say that the world is dystopic if you choose to see it that way and if you are driven to see it that way (depending on where you live and what your conditions are). trying to argue morally against a true expression of a true sentiment is mean spirited.
Brodsky? a little cartoony for me.
why start there? constant nieuwenhuys was pushing out Babylon earlier.
I think im allergic to allegories.
ahhhhchoooo!
I need some more tafuri.
Blind faith in Technology, arbitrary form fetish, materialism, architecture by and for the empire elite... This is the root of his work. These expressive critiques get him all butt hurt because he is an elitist ushering in the things that these art works seem to be rebelling against.
Paper architecture is a necessary and healthy part of the dicipline. The fly evolves faster than the elephant. Short life span. More iterations per generation.
aahhhchooo!
Patrick Schumacher, really? I can't believe this poser is generating this much commentary! Anybody who uses these kind of lines "methodological principles, evaluative criteria, and characteristic formal repertoire" is talking out of his arse.
bless you.
hey Patrick.. come repair my backyard shed. I'll teach you hot to nail
gracias, Thayer
but c'mon - there most be more damning verbosity than 'evaluative criteria' in Patty's rant...
as I'm never going to read it, I'm relying on you to properly eviscerate his text.
^ Sure if you like being retarded, that would be great! "Errr thinking so hard, must post goofy music instead, must be spambot-nothinky"
It is funny to see the usual enclave of archinect dum-dums relish in their own misunderstandings.
go fetch, lol
do your parents know you're using their computer?
Tech is mobile old lady.
Like i said "the dum-dums..."
LOL!
oh, so your parents don't even know where you are?
They must be awful scared.
"If I thought another perspective was more pertinent and promising I would shift perspective. How about you? Do you have convictions about what constitutes a meaningful for contemporary architecture? Or are you unsure? (Do whatever we feel like??? What then? Or what people want??? What do they want?) Do you have the opportunity to work according to your own convictions - if you have convictions? Are you able and willing to state the principles that underly your work? Could these just be valid for you? "
He's nuts.
oh, so your parents don't even know where you are?
It's called GPS grandma, everyone loves their parents.
He's nuts.
Bea.... so lame.
anyone seen muh hearing aid?
"It's called GPS grandma"
You lack serious immagination and empathy if you can't see yourself as an old person some day (god willing) with young whippersnappers insulting you for ageing naturally. What happens when your GPS stops working and you've relied on your gagets so much that you can't even read your environment? My guess is your ability to design reflects your level of empathy.
Another puff of misguidance from TD.
The age thing is an analogy, it's really about the dumb and conservative diatribes "archniect dum-dums" try to peddle as intellect.
What happens when your GPS stops working and you've relied on your gagets so much that you can't even read your environment?
Same thing that happens when your pencil breaks form tracing Leon Krier's sketches.
There are no excuses for willful ignorance. The only do-gooder battle you're fighting is the defense of ignorance.
"It's called GPS grandma" So let me get this straight, you're calling me a grandmother becasue you thing grandmothers are weak and stupid? You never met my grandmother.
"Have fun in the wheelchair"
Not only do you slam old people, but the handicapped? I'm conservative and your liberal? Since when did liberals trash the old, women and handicapped?
"There are no excuses for willful ignorance."
You sound remarkably like the fascist you pretent to rail against. The kind that like to pick on people they perceive as weak. What are you so scared of? Did some one thrash you for no reason? If so, it's them who you should be angry at, not people who like carved stone buildings.
generation y would not survive a zombie apocalypse!
weakest generation of all time!
Why did I expect a more civil discourse than the Yahoo comments section? Shame on me.
You sound remarkably like the fascist you pretent to rail against. The kind that like to pick on people they perceive as weak. What are you so scared of? Did some one thrash you for no reason?
Nuh-uh im a liberal cuz im defending the weak from dumb old farts like you and jlax.
this is the big leagues son, if you can't handle the intellect go chill with grandma
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