I am starting a new thread that is about other threads. You can talk about other discussions taking a place in Archinect and make cross references to a particular link, picture, response and whatever else you deem necessary or entertaining or thought provoking about the other thread. thus the name: Thread Central
here are some examples of comments that comes to mind:
* hey did you read on --------- thread ------- thinks frank gehry is good. hahahaharhar..
or,
*i can't believe he said that. how stupid of him. asshole.on top of it he is got hundreds of posts. gimme a break.
or,
* this is the best thread.. fuck the others..
or,
*****Thread Alert******
read the -----thread yet??? there is a dog fight going on between ----- and-----.it is about gondolas and pollution in Venice..see you there.
or,
* yeaah, i don't read that thread either. its kind a boring.
or,
*i am thinking about starting a discussion about ------------- ---- ---- will you guys in Thread Central post in it and say wow it a great thread?. it was about time 'somebody' (insert my name please) picked up on it.. and discuss it?
like whatever..
OddArchitect
Sep 23, 24 9:35 am
Out elk hunting again this weekend. Had to cut the trip short due to horrible weather. There was forecasted 2 inches of rain over a 4 hour period. Not good. I was literally jogging up hill with a 45 pound pack on trying to get back to my vehicle before the rain started. I barely made it off the clay / dirt road before worse of the rain hit.
I didn't see or hear any elk. :( It was still nearly a full moon and the impending weather had everything bedded down. I did get a wild turkey on my way out though!
JLC-1
Sep 23, 24 11:49 am
yep, some snow up here as well, above 10000
Wood Guy
Sep 23, 24 11:51 am
Ah, I was wondering who owned the new screen name, now I get it. Sounds like an adventure! Wild turkey is one of my favorite meats, just has to be cooked low and slow.
OddArchitect
Sep 23, 24 12:17 pm
JCL - No snow in my area but it was raining HARD!
WG - I've never made wild turkey so this will be an adventure! I figured the new screen name was more appropriate. :)
Donna Sink
Sep 23, 24 8:03 pm
How does wild turkey taste compared to our normal Butterball-type bird?
Josh Mings
Sep 23, 24 8:52 pm
Wild turkey gets you drunk quicker
Donna Sink
Sep 24, 24 1:25 pm
I don't like Wild Turkey, but I had my first Woodford Reserve in a loooong time last night, I'm sad to say it was delicious. I've been boycotting Kentucky bourbon until Mitch McConnell is dead but I went to a brand new locally-owned and operated club last night and I decided supporting them in the moment was worth breaking my boycott momentarily. The club is a re-opening of a historic Black-owned nightclub from the 40s, the folks that opened it are local Black nonprofit developers trying to revitalize the neighborhood. I did a volunteer day cleaning out the old building a few weeks ago, and now they're open! Very exciting.
sameolddoctor
Sep 24, 24 1:33 pm
I love Woodford Reserve. Many years ago we had done a bourbon tasting in Downtown Louisville where they had a 18 year Woodford Reserve sample. 2nd best bourbon, the first being the extremely $$$ Pappy Van Winkle. Great stuff.
Good job Donna on helping the club re-open, you are good people indeed.
OddArchitect
Sep 24, 24 1:41 pm
I've never had wild turkey (the bird). This will be a culinary adventure for me! Wait, what if I baste the wild turkey with WILD TURKEY?
Wood Guy
Sep 28, 24 10:40 am
Donna, wild turkey (the bird) tastes similar in ways to confinement-raised birds, but the meat is denser and even the breasts are dark meat, they're a bit gamier but not extremely so, the texture and taste is almost like a cross between store-bought turkey and stew beef. Cooked for a long time at a low temperature, like stew beef, the flavor mellows and the texture is very beef-like. Roasted like a Thanksgiving turkey, it's chewy and gamey, but still edible. At least that's my experience. I haven't had it in a while. A former co-worker was an avid hunter but his family didn't eat wild meat so he gave me his spoils regularly. The one thing I miss about working at that company.
Bench
Sep 25, 24 9:23 am
Damn, you leave for a week on vacation and now rick is calling state licensing boards to argue with them? I feel so bad for the intern who picked up that phone ...
OddArchitect
Sep 25, 24 10:16 am
He's arguing with them?!? Really?
Josh Mings
Sep 25, 24 1:38 pm
I'm pretty sure Rick called a former employer of mine once because he didn't like what I posted.
Everyday Architect
Sep 25, 24 2:22 pm
So happy I've got him on ignore. Makes it really easy to "nope" right back out of a thread when I see all the "Richard Balkins is ignored by you"
will galloway
Sep 28, 24 4:36 pm
ditto. I have no idea what that is about and glad for it. Archinect is great because there are few people that I ever feel the need to block out. Lately some surprise me with hateful posts that I'm not sure what to do with. The internet is filled with anonymous hate all the time, and Archinect usually is not the place to attract that material. But here it is now, dropping in with the tide.
OddArchitect
Sep 25, 24 1:04 pm
Looks like steinberg hart is hiring. ;)
JLC-1
Sep 25, 24 1:16 pm
looks like a heavy shake-up in the production teams.
axonapoplectic
Sep 25, 24 1:32 pm
I just received a job posting from a recruiter with a laughably low salary. They’re looking for a registered architect with 10+ years experience for what recent grads typically earn. I am wondering if they haven’t hired anyone in 20 years.
sameolddoctor
Sep 25, 24 5:35 pm
or the market is tanking
Hemichromis
Sep 27, 24 11:47 pm
Recruiters (and employers) are being literal clowns offering circa 2010 salary ranges in the UK, probably similar over the pond. We should all unionise and do a hostile takeover of Adobe and Autodesk to pay our own and the following generations pensions. I'm not joking.
Non Sequitur
Sep 29, 24 10:01 am
Salaries are a reflection of the marketable skills of the applicant and what the clients are willing to pay. Want more cash? Become more valuable to clients or start your own gig and charge what you believe you’re worth. Unions won’t solve your problem.
axonapoplectic
Sep 30, 24 11:32 am
I would
axonapoplectic
Sep 30, 24 11:39 am
Oops, didn’t mean to hit return. Job market isn’t really tanking where I am. People are still willing to pay decent amounts for someone with a license and experience. It was just this one recruiter. Do you even know this market?
axonapoplectic
Sep 30, 24 4:37 pm
That question was meant for the recruiter.
Donna Sink
Sep 28, 24 4:34 pm
The dregs of Helene brought a large branch down on my roof last night - only damage was a crushed gutter - but the scenes from Asheville NC area are pretty scary. I like these two for how they show flood waters forcing stuff out of the buildings.
that is crazy donna. I've been to enough disaster sites over the years that I should not be surprised by the aftermath, but its always a body blow. All that damage and detritus represents the remains of people's lives and work, turned in no time at all to nothing at all. It's sad to see, and sadder that we will have more of this going forward.
Josh Mings
Sep 30, 24 4:06 pm
Man that Architecture under siege thread really has some people showing their full asses in it.
gwharton
Sep 30, 24 4:11 pm
Literally every single post in that thread is a raging dumpster fire of bad-faith argumentation cloaked in psychological projection. Best to ignore it all.
Donna Sink
Sep 30, 24 5:21 pm
I had to reply, I couldn't resist. Also, there has been discussion in the past amongst the mods of slowing Bulgar's roll, they really don't contribute much of use usually, only every now and then.
Non Sequitur
Sep 30, 24 5:23 pm
I considered throwing a few sticks into that fire but then thought otherwise. Perhaps it was the sweet Neil Young playing on the turn table in the background, perhaps I’m just getting too old for this shit. Maybe both?
OddArchitect
Sep 30, 24 5:34 pm
I'm just going to reply to all of Richard's posts with "Systemic racism exists in the US."
OddArchitect
Sep 30, 24 5:35 pm
gwharton wrote:
"Literally every single post in that thread is a raging dumpster fire of bad-faith argumentation cloaked in psychological projection. Best to ignore it all. "
Not really. The posts proclaiming that systemic racism doesn't exist in the US are full of it. Best to call out the erroneous BS when it's posted. Free speech doesn't mean free from criticism for what you say.
gwharton
Oct 1, 24 11:42 am
All of them. Those ones too. Just a bunch of televisions yelling commercials at each other.
Wood Guy
Oct 1, 24 12:21 pm
GW, that's a copout. Yes nobody expects BB to change his mind, but that doesn't mean that the other arguments are worthless. Quite the opposite.
OddArchitect
Oct 1, 24 12:31 pm
gwharton - Then why do you post your views about immigration, race, and libertarian ideals for the economy? Your 'evidence' to support your views have been shown to be incorrect. You know you're not going to get anyone here to agree with you on those views.
You're more a television yelling commercials than anyone here.
You're a hypocrite.
Non Sequitur
Oct 1, 24 12:37 pm
Hey... keep the pissing contest out of TC.
OddArchitect
Oct 1, 24 12:45 pm
Fair enough. Still doesn't change that gwharton scolded us for pissing on other people shoes while he pissed on ours. gwharton is just upset that he was called out on it.
vado retro
Sep 30, 24 6:09 pm
My comment in that thread, which addressed the original incorrect assumption about requirements for registration, was in no way a flame in a raging dumpster fire.
OddArchitect
Sep 30, 24 6:14 pm
Exactly. gwharton just wants to agree with BB and Rick without actually saying that.
Wood Guy
Oct 1, 24 12:24 pm
Things would be so much easier if we just pretended that everyone has equal access to success, if only they'd work hard enough.
OddArchitect
Oct 1, 24 12:33 pm
It's a sign of a cowardly, embarrassed, and scared person who lies to themselves so they can get through the day.
Wood Guy
Oct 1, 24 3:40 pm
Maybe they really do think that all it takes is hard work.
OddArchitect
Oct 1, 24 3:44 pm
I hope so. I've found people like that are rather sheltered, haven't traveled much, and only surround themselves with people similar to them. If not . . .
Donna Sink
Oct 4, 24 12:07 pm
It was likely lost in the Richard Balkins Wall of Text™ but Wood Guy I posted this when you talked about your full career experience path:
Glad to hear your full story, Wood Guy. You're one of the good guys in our profession, license or not!
Seriously, I'm glad you're here.
Bench
Oct 4, 24 2:09 pm
Yeah i think i've single handedly learned the most from you. Not even including the book!
Wood Guy
Oct 4, 24 3:11 pm
Aw thanks Donna and Bench. It was one version of my story, meant to illustrate my point. It's all true, but I can also tell the story in a more positive light--I probably would not not have had the wide array of experience I have had if I had taken a different path, and I probably would not have been happy following a conventional path.
b3tadine[sutures]
Oct 4, 24 4:42 pm
#LFGM
Donna Sink
Oct 4, 24 9:25 pm
Airport bars are the best quasi-public spaces. And, weirdly for us, the architecture doesn’t matter *at all* beyond having a bar and high chairs.
Wood Guy
Oct 5, 24 10:49 am
It's nice when there is some redeeming architectural feature to look at, but you're right, as long as there is a seat at the bar, it really doesn't matter.
Donna Sink
Oct 6, 24 11:53 am
I posted this from IND, which is actually a really lovely airport. Award winning, even!
gwharton
Oct 7, 24 6:27 pm
We should have a thread on
Airports.;-) The new PDX is really nice. The new SEA terminal is only so-so. ATL is literally hell on earth ("Atlanta isn't Hell, but it's the last stop on the way there.")
JLC-1
Oct 7, 24 7:36 pm
I'm always nervous about taking pictures in airports. The best I've been so far is rejkavik.
archanonymous
Oct 8, 24 5:24 am
Madrid is a dream airport for both design and organization. Munich is organized and signed really well but the design is so German it's practically not there. The terminal I flew through in Istanbul was amazingly fancy and well designed. Airports are universally shit in the Americas. I'll try to check out the new PDX soon though.
OddArchitect
Oct 8, 24 9:08 am
I've actually enjoyed the Minneapolis and Denver airports.
sameolddoctor
Oct 8, 24 12:04 pm
Atlanta is quite horrible, reminded me of a really bad greyhound station. But then LAX is even crappier. The "new" international terminal isn't bad, but everything around it is.
Oslo has a very nice, well designed airport. Truly amazing.
sameolddoctor
Oct 8, 24 12:06 pm
Also Greg, isnt the new PDX one with the mass timber roof? quite spectacular
Donna Sink
Oct 9, 24 6:42 am
Madrid is the most beautiful airport I’ve personally experienced. I also love Detroit’s most recent wing, it was Delta I think but not sure who uses it now.
midlander
Oct 9, 24 8:44 am
i agree with the original post, and have long loved the people watching at airports - but also note the irony that the best semi-public spaces are ones that require a $100+ ticket plus thorough security scan. the interior-outdoors aspect of airport space fascinates me, like buckminster fullers cities under domes.
will galloway
Oct 22, 24 7:31 pm
Late to the thread but I agree Donna, Madrid airport is amazing and excellent. I used to love Kansai airport in Osaka back when it was new and would detour through there on the way home all the time. It is still pretty good because Piano is great, but most recently I gotta say Singapore airport is one of the coolest. Mumbai airport also lingers in my memory as an amazing place, if surreal at times. Lately thinking that the new Portland Airport would be cool to see. Wish I had an excuse to go there.
sameolddoctor
Oct 23, 24 9:48 pm
Yes the Mumbai airport is quite amazing and the fact that SOM designed and pulled it off in that context is even crazier to imagine. It is very well done but kinda bursting at its seams these days...
JLC-1
Oct 7, 24 5:50 pm
Richard Balkins Wall of Text™ is the kiss of death for a thread.
Wood Guy
Oct 8, 24 3:25 pm
Any comment that can't be condensed into a single, normal-length paragraph either has too much content or too much explanation. (I try to limit myself to three short paragraphs here...)
JLC-1
Oct 8, 24 3:55 pm
since I've been ignoring him for a couple of years, it's both rhetoric and literal - I can't see any more comments responding to him, and I don't go there anymore.
midlander
Oct 9, 24 8:46 am
as an architect, i do appreciate his innovative use of text as a building material to define exclusionary spaces
t a z
Oct 9, 24 11:42 am
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
Bench
Oct 8, 24 11:18 am
Asking because i can't tell. Did our main western colorado architect / hunter change to an anonymous screen from his real one? (im omitting C's name here in case that is the case and doesn't want the two cross linked...)
Josh Mings
Oct 8, 24 11:19 am
I'm 95% sure this is the case.
Non Sequitur
Oct 8, 24 11:30 am
Bench... yes. Probably because too many one-post pony wankers got upset and sent his office angry karen letters.
OddArchitect
Oct 8, 24 12:08 pm
I did! I felt like a change. When you click on my profile it should still have my actual name and info.
It wasn't because of people contacting my office. That only happened once and nothing happened other than the other owners called said user a 'wannabe architect'.
The other time a user here lied and tried to get me in trouble with my state licensing board. They made an anonymous complaint that was found to be untruthful. The board found out who they were, informed me and they filed charges against them for fraud and defamation. Said user has pretty much left the site.
Josh Mings
Oct 8, 24 12:20 pm
$10 wannabe architect is Balkins because he did the same to me at one point.
OddArchitect
Oct 8, 24 12:30 pm
It was not Balkins.
In fact, he wrote a very sincere and kind email to the other firm owners explaining the user who contacted them was being a immature jerk and I had been nothing but polite and professional.
Balkins also alerted me to the users 'blog' where he was saying untrue things that were dangerously close to liable.
Non Sequitur
Oct 8, 24 12:33 pm
Ah, DD if I recall correctly. Right?
OddArchitect
Oct 8, 24 12:40 pm
That was one of them yes. The other I will not comment on since it involves legal action that I was not part of.
Bench
Oct 8, 24 1:40 pm
ok! i had picked up on enough bread crumbs that i was fairly sure that was the case. sorry you had to put up with that shit. i was gone on holiday long enough that i have no idea what happened if it occurred here. sucks.
OddArchitect
Oct 8, 24 1:48 pm
Sorry to disappoint but I'm still here. ;)
Donna Sink
Oct 10, 24 1:20 pm
YOU GUYS I HAVE A SICKNESS. This makes me irrationally angry.
Brick on vinyl. Brick with a receptacle. Not brick. Not real. Not acceptable.
OddArchitect
Oct 10, 24 1:33 pm
Also, outlets at the ends of kitchen islands aren't allowed in most areas.
Non Sequitur
Oct 10, 24 1:39 pm
And there I was, enjoying a calm Thursday afternoon... Thanks Donna, no I am irrationally mad.
gwharton
Oct 10, 24 3:53 pm
....
OddArchitect
Oct 10, 24 3:58 pm
I know a guy who will take care of this.
It's gonna be OK gwarton.
Don't look at it.
Shhh, shhh, shhh.
It's can't hurt you anymore.
Wood Guy
Oct 11, 24 1:09 pm
OA, that's a brand-new rule (as of the 2023 NEC). Or maybe the outlet is sticker as well? ;-)
Wood Guy
Oct 11, 24 1:12 pm
I find that avoiding anything fake is a good rule of thumb. If you want brick, use brick, or at least thin-brick. If you want wood-look floors, use wood floors. If you want vinyl floors, use a pattern that only vinyl can provide. "Fake" looks cheap 99.9% of the time. I don't even like asphalt shingles, which are supposed to look like either wood shake or slate; I prefer metal that looks like metal. Though that's one I don't make a fuss about.
OddArchitect
Oct 14, 24 10:33 am
WG - I think it's only in commercial R occupancies. If I recall, it's been in place since at least the IBC 2018. I may be wrong though.
Wood Guy
Oct 14, 24 10:58 am
I only do SFR design and my architect and builder friends were all shocked when we had to change the methods we were used to when the 2023 NEC was released. I had a complicated kitchen design in the works that relied on cabinet-front outlets at the sink but we had to change in the middle of construction. Technically the state code does not include the 2023 NEC but every electrician I know goes by the latest version, regardless of what the state code says.
OddArchitect
Oct 14, 24 12:39 pm
Makes sense WG. I don't do any SFR so don't know anything about that. For commercial buildings , I believe the entire state of CO adopted the 2023 NEC in August 2023.
proto
Oct 14, 24 6:21 pm
Why are GC's trying to document every little thing as an RFI? Have their insurance companies told them it's the only legal mechanism for documenting something?
You guys discovered an undocumented pipe while excavating. You repaired it & reburied it. Draw it on the site drawing set. Tape your photos to a sheet & date it & put it in the set as part of the as-builts. It's not an RFI.
Should I not be annoyed by this sort of thing?
gwharton
Oct 14, 24 6:44 pm
There is legal precedent, going back to the 1980s, that just the sheer number of RFIs on a project can be used as prima facie evidence in a claim that the architect's documentation was inadequate. Also, just a pure CYA measure, GCs document every little thing starting with an RFI because that's where the chain of future Change Proposals / Change Order creation always starts. As an architect in receipt of those RFIs, it is a best practice to record them in your tracking system with a qualifying category so you can then go back and identify how many RFIs were actually legitimate, and how many where just the GC asking random questions about stuff that has nothing to do with the design (or that they already had the answer to, but asked anyway).
proto
Oct 14, 24 10:25 pm
To what end do we have some authority to say that’s not an RFI & not what an RFI is for?
b3tadine[sutures]
Oct 14, 24 11:21 pm
I had a contractor, day of the pour, send an RFI requesting that I field verify existing elevations, I responded with the language from the general conditions describing the responsibilities of the contractor. Needless to say his voicemail was saved, and t-shirts will be made based on their response.
pj_heavy
Oct 14, 24 11:52 pm
Well , if it’s not captured /documented by consultants / us architects it’s a variation isn’t it? Someone had to pay.. unless it’s a latent condition which would be dealt with differently…my 2c
axonapoplectic
Oct 15, 24 8:41 am
I always try to establish with GCs that they should give me a call first and then follow up with an RFI for the paper trail if necessary. Most CMs don’t want to be spending all their time sending us RFIs. I also establish that I won’t be a dick to them if they missed something in the CDs.
axonapoplectic
Oct 15, 24 8:44 am
Meaning - if they send me an RFI for something they just overlooked on the drawings that I won’t be a dick about it.
axonapoplectic
Oct 15, 24 9:02 am
And gently remind them that the client sees these RFIs.
OddArchitect
Oct 15, 24 11:31 am
lss_s_mr wrote:
"Well , if it’s not captured /documented by consultants / us architects it’s a variation isn’t it? Someone had to pay.. unless it’s a latent condition which would be dealt with differently…my 2c"
Only if it adds cost to the project.
I've seen plenty of Request For Information (RFI), Architectural Supplemental Instructions (ASI), and even Proposal Requests (PR) that haven't added cost or time to the project.
OddArchitect
Oct 15, 24 11:40 am
proto wrote
"To what end do we have some authority to say that’s not an RFI & not what an RFI is for? "
All depends on the contracts in place.
If it's already in the CD's or not the responsibility of the design team you can tell them such.
How I've handled this in the past: If the GC persist then you call and tell them if this continues you will be informing the owner that this is an additional service. The owner will then contact the GC and charge them for the additional service.
gwharton
Oct 15, 24 4:20 pm
If you receive and RFI, you are pretty much contractually obligated to answer it. That doesn't mean the GC has to like the answer they get. As far saying "That's not an RFI", that's what recording the RFI in your log with a qualifier such as "Invalid Question" or similar is for. The RFI asks you to field verify (LMAO at that request btw)? Entered into the log as an invalid question, responded with "General Conditions Section ##### states that it is the Contractor's responsibility to..." etc. If there is ever a claim on you downstream, all of that info is right there and becomes discoverable in litigation.
OddArchitect
Oct 15, 24 5:03 pm
gwharton - I've replied with:
"Look at spec section ______"
"Look at drawings on sheet ______"
"That is the contractor's responsibility"
"There is no question present. Please revise to ask a question within our scope of work"
I've wanted to simply say "WTF?"
proto
Oct 16, 24 3:24 pm
My particular irritation was that there was a discovered condition that was outside the scope of the work, but nevertheless uncovered in the process. It is of interest to the owner for sure. But it has zero to do with the contract docs. So, there is no response to be made from the design team. IMHO, it should be documented in the as-builts as part of the GC's ongoing work and handed off at the end to the owner for their project/facility records.
axonapoplectic
Oct 20, 24 12:37 pm
I've encountered this before. This RFI is a conversation between the owner and the GC. The GC may be looking to recoup cost of the unforeseen work or take it out of contingency. The only thing you can do is bring it to the owner's attention and tell the GC to be sure to document in their as-builts. I wouldn't be irritated by this - this is typical. GC needs to leave a paper trail - they've got a million things going on and if it's in an RFI it won't get lost.
Donna Sink
Oct 28, 24 11:48 am
I'm on the wagon until the evening of Election Day in the US. Trying to not drink until I have something to celebrate...or mourn.
I'm really fucking stressed, y'all.
Non Sequitur
Oct 28, 24 1:00 pm
just another week-long dumbster fire until the real fun starts.
proto
Oct 28, 24 3:41 pm
right there with you, donna & yeah NS, that's just the carnival opening...
some moron decided to try & blow up a ballot collection box here in the rose city. Luckily the attempt failed.
i put my ballot in Sat...hopefully it found its way to the counting facility [I haven't seen the confirming text yet]
Bench
Oct 29, 24 10:07 am
In talking with my company, we decided to strategically renew my work visa this summer to avoid any 'uncertainty'
that might come up in the next few months.
OddArchitect
Oct 29, 24 10:48 am
I've stocked up on ammo, arrows, venison, and medication. Just in case.
Non Sequitur
Oct 29, 24 12:02 pm
I've stocked up on marshmallows and pointy sticks. I'm sure I'll be able to roast them just fine from a safe distance.
OddArchitect
Oct 29, 24 3:44 pm
I mean you already have hockey equipment. That's 80% of the weapons and protection you'd need in any end of civilization event.
Non Sequitur
Oct 29, 24 4:45 pm
Ain’t no body shoot up a schools with hockey sticks, so don’t call them weapons. They are tools that occasionally serve up good face slaps.
OddArchitect
Oct 29, 24 4:51 pm
I've watched hockey. They're weapons. If they're in the right players hands they're deadly! ;)
Non Sequitur
Oct 29, 24 5:04 pm
Pfffff, that’s just a game.
gwharton
Oct 29, 24 5:20 pm
Game, you say?
Wilma Buttfit
Oct 28, 24 1:24 pm
I'm focusing on self-care. Plenty of exercise, matcha lattes, reading, gardening, and LSD.
A firm, in NYC, at the top of the game with countless rich SFR clients, looking for someone with skills and serious experience, and they'll throw you $70k / yr.
This profession is shameful.
Non Sequitur
Oct 31, 24 9:14 am
3 to 6y exp tho... Perhaps their list of skills is too much for what is likely an intermediate position? 70kusd per year is what you'd expect a senior arch with 10-15y exp to earn in my area (ie. 100k CAD).
OddArchitect
Oct 31, 24 9:40 am
In NYC 70k a year is 1-3 years experience.
archanonymous
Oct 31, 24 9:48 am
@NS I definitely think their desired skills and estimated yrs of experience are mis-aligned. 3 years of experience is nothing. Certainly not "Advanced Architectural Designer" Obviously they want someone with 8+ years of experience and to pay them like a new grad in butt-fucked middle of nowhere midwest. (or a foreign country with lower wages)
OddArchitect
Oct 31, 24 9:54 am
I thought about 'applying' to the posting but in the cover letter explaining the absurdity of what the firm is asking.
archanonymous - even people like me from butt-fucked middle of nowhere midwest would laugh at this job offer.
The_Crow
Oct 31, 24 10:17 am
At least they posted the salary in the listing to keep people away. I spent a month interviewing with one of Selldorf's piers in a mid tier city only to end it with them offering me $85k for 8 years of experience.
OddArchitect
Oct 31, 24 10:20 am
Depending on the city $85K could be a good offer.
The_Crow
Oct 31, 24 10:32 am
It was a 25% pay
cut from my current role, so wasn't that enticing.
OddArchitect
Oct 31, 24 10:55 am
I assumed it was a low offer for your area. It's important to understand that different areas pay more or less for the same amount of experience.
axonapoplectic
Nov 4, 24 5:44 pm
This is why, as of this week, I’m
axonapoplectic
Nov 4, 24 5:45 pm
No longer working for an arch firm. Better pay, better hours, work is just as interesting.
I am starting a new thread that is about other threads. You can talk about other discussions taking a place in Archinect and make cross references to a particular link, picture, response and whatever else you deem necessary or entertaining or thought provoking about the other thread. thus the name: Thread Central
here are some examples of comments that comes to mind:
* hey did you read on --------- thread ------- thinks frank gehry is good. hahahaharhar..
or,
*i can't believe he said that. how stupid of him. asshole.on top of it he is got hundreds of posts. gimme a break.
or,
* this is the best thread.. fuck the others..
or,
*****Thread Alert******
read the -----thread yet??? there is a dog fight going on between ----- and-----.it is about gondolas and pollution in Venice..see you there.
or,
* yeaah, i don't read that thread either. its kind a boring.
or,
*i am thinking about starting a discussion about ------------- ---- ---- will you guys in Thread Central post in it and say wow it a great thread?. it was about time 'somebody' (insert my name please) picked up on it.. and discuss it?
like whatever..
Out elk hunting again this weekend. Had to cut the trip short due to horrible weather. There was forecasted 2 inches of rain over a 4 hour period. Not good. I was literally jogging up hill with a 45 pound pack on trying to get back to my vehicle before the rain started. I barely made it off the clay / dirt road before worse of the rain hit.
I didn't see or hear any elk. :( It was still nearly a full moon and the impending weather had everything bedded down. I did get a wild turkey on my way out though!
yep, some snow up here as well, above 10000
Ah, I was wondering who owned the new screen name, now I get it. Sounds like an adventure! Wild turkey is one of my favorite meats, just has to be cooked low and slow.
JCL - No snow in my area but it was raining HARD!
WG - I've never made wild turkey so this will be an adventure! I figured the new screen name was more appropriate. :)
How does wild turkey taste compared to our normal Butterball-type bird?
Wild turkey gets you drunk quicker
I don't like Wild Turkey, but I had my first Woodford Reserve in a loooong time last night, I'm sad to say it was delicious. I've been boycotting Kentucky bourbon until Mitch McConnell is dead but I went to a brand new locally-owned and operated club last night and I decided supporting them in the moment was worth breaking my boycott momentarily. The club is a re-opening of a historic Black-owned nightclub from the 40s, the folks that opened it are local Black nonprofit developers trying to revitalize the neighborhood. I did a volunteer day cleaning out the old building a few weeks ago, and now they're open! Very exciting.
I love Woodford Reserve. Many years ago we had done a bourbon tasting in Downtown Louisville where they had a 18 year Woodford Reserve sample. 2nd best bourbon, the first being the extremely $$$ Pappy Van Winkle. Great stuff.
Good job Donna on helping the club re-open, you are good people indeed.
I've never had wild turkey (the bird). This will be a culinary adventure for me! Wait, what if I baste the wild turkey with WILD TURKEY?
Donna, wild turkey (the bird) tastes similar in ways to confinement-raised birds, but the meat is denser and even the breasts are dark meat, they're a bit gamier but not extremely so, the texture and taste is almost like a cross between store-bought turkey and stew beef. Cooked for a long time at a low temperature, like stew beef, the flavor mellows and the texture is very beef-like. Roasted like a Thanksgiving turkey, it's chewy and gamey, but still edible. At least that's my experience. I haven't had it in a while. A former co-worker was an avid hunter but his family didn't eat wild meat so he gave me his spoils regularly. The one thing I miss about working at that company.
Damn, you leave for a week on vacation and now rick is calling state licensing boards to argue with them? I feel so bad for the intern who picked up that phone ...
He's arguing with them?!? Really?
I'm pretty sure Rick called a former employer of mine once because he didn't like what I posted.
So happy I've got him on ignore. Makes it really easy to "nope" right back out of a thread when I see all the "Richard Balkins is ignored by you"
ditto. I have no idea what that is about and glad for it. Archinect is great because there are few people that I ever feel the need to block out. Lately some surprise me with hateful posts that I'm not sure what to do with. The internet is filled with anonymous hate all the time, and Archinect usually is not the place to attract that material. But here it is now, dropping in with the tide.
Looks like steinberg hart is hiring. ;)
looks like a heavy shake-up in the production teams.
I just received a job posting from a recruiter with a laughably low salary. They’re looking for a registered architect with 10+ years experience for what recent grads typically earn. I am wondering if they haven’t hired anyone in 20 years.
or the market is tanking
Recruiters (and employers) are being literal clowns offering circa 2010 salary ranges in the UK, probably similar over the pond. We should all unionise and do a hostile takeover of Adobe and Autodesk to pay our own and the following generations pensions. I'm not joking.
Salaries are a reflection of the marketable skills of the applicant and what the clients are willing to pay. Want more cash? Become more valuable to clients or start your own gig and charge what you believe you’re worth. Unions won’t solve your problem.
I would
Oops, didn’t mean to hit return. Job market isn’t really tanking where I am. People are still willing to pay decent amounts for someone with a license and experience. It was just this one recruiter. Do you even know this market?
That question was meant for the recruiter.
The dregs of Helene brought a large branch down on my roof last night - only damage was a crushed gutter - but the scenes from Asheville NC area are pretty scary. I like these two for how they show flood waters forcing stuff out of the buildings.
https://www.citizen-times.com/...
that is crazy donna. I've been to enough disaster sites over the years that I should not be surprised by the aftermath, but its always a body blow. All that damage and detritus represents the remains of people's lives and work, turned in no time at all to nothing at all. It's sad to see, and sadder that we will have more of this going forward.
Man that Architecture under siege thread really has some people showing their full asses in it.
Literally every single post in that thread is a raging dumpster fire of bad-faith argumentation cloaked in psychological projection. Best to ignore it all.
I had to reply, I couldn't resist. Also, there has been discussion in the past amongst the mods of slowing Bulgar's roll, they really don't contribute much of use usually, only every now and then.
I considered throwing a few sticks into that fire but then thought otherwise. Perhaps it was the sweet Neil Young playing on the turn table in the background, perhaps I’m just getting too old for this shit. Maybe both?
I'm just going to reply to all of Richard's posts with "Systemic racism exists in the US."
gwharton wrote:
"Literally every single post in that thread is a raging dumpster fire of bad-faith argumentation cloaked in psychological projection. Best to ignore it all. "
Not really. The posts proclaiming that systemic racism doesn't exist in the US are full of it. Best to call out the erroneous BS when it's posted. Free speech doesn't mean free from criticism for what you say.
All of them. Those ones too. Just a bunch of televisions yelling commercials at each other.
GW, that's a copout. Yes nobody expects BB to change his mind, but that doesn't mean that the other arguments are worthless. Quite the opposite.
gwharton - Then why do you post your views about immigration, race, and libertarian ideals for the economy? Your 'evidence' to support your views have been shown to be incorrect. You know you're not going to get anyone here to agree with you on those views.
You're more a television yelling commercials than anyone here.
You're a hypocrite.
Hey... keep the pissing contest out of TC.
Fair enough. Still doesn't change that gwharton scolded us for pissing on other people shoes while he pissed on ours. gwharton is just upset that he was called out on it.
My comment in that thread, which addressed the original incorrect assumption about requirements for registration, was in no way a flame in a raging dumpster fire.
Exactly. gwharton just wants to agree with BB and Rick without actually saying that.
Things would be so much easier if we just pretended that everyone has equal access to success, if only they'd work hard enough.
It's a sign of a cowardly, embarrassed, and scared person who lies to themselves so they can get through the day.
Maybe they really do think that all it takes is hard work.
I hope so. I've found people like that are rather sheltered, haven't traveled much, and only surround themselves with people similar to them. If not . . .
It was likely lost in the Richard Balkins Wall of Text™ but Wood Guy I posted this when you talked about your full career experience path:
Glad to hear your full story, Wood Guy. You're one of the good guys in our profession, license or not!
Seriously, I'm glad you're here.
Yeah i think i've single handedly learned the most from you. Not even including the book!
Aw thanks Donna and Bench. It was one version of my story, meant to illustrate my point. It's all true, but I can also tell the story in a more positive light--I probably would not not have had the wide array of experience I have had if I had taken a different path, and I probably would not have been happy following a conventional path.
Airport bars are the best quasi-public spaces. And, weirdly for us, the architecture doesn’t matter *at all* beyond having a bar and high chairs.
It's nice when there is some redeeming architectural feature to look at, but you're right, as long as there is a seat at the bar, it really doesn't matter.
I posted this from IND, which is actually a really lovely airport. Award winning, even!
We should have a thread on Airports.;-) The new PDX is really nice. The new SEA terminal is only so-so. ATL is literally hell on earth ("Atlanta isn't Hell, but it's the last stop on the way there.")
I'm always nervous about taking pictures in airports. The best I've been so far is rejkavik.
Madrid is a dream airport for both design and organization. Munich is organized and signed really well but the design is so German it's practically not there. The terminal I flew through in Istanbul was amazingly fancy and well designed. Airports are universally shit in the Americas. I'll try to check out the new PDX soon though.
I've actually enjoyed the Minneapolis and Denver airports.
Atlanta is quite horrible, reminded me of a really bad greyhound station. But then LAX is even crappier. The "new" international terminal isn't bad, but everything around it is.
Oslo has a very nice, well designed airport. Truly amazing.
Also Greg, isnt the new PDX one with the mass timber roof? quite spectacular
Madrid is the most beautiful airport I’ve personally experienced. I also love Detroit’s most recent wing, it was Delta I think but not sure who uses it now.
i agree with the original post, and have long loved the people watching at airports - but also note the irony that the best semi-public spaces are ones that require a $100+ ticket plus thorough security scan. the interior-outdoors aspect of airport space fascinates me, like buckminster fullers cities under domes.
Late to the thread but I agree Donna, Madrid airport is amazing and excellent. I used to love Kansai airport in Osaka back when it was new and would detour through there on the way home all the time. It is still pretty good because Piano is great, but most recently I gotta say Singapore airport is one of the coolest. Mumbai airport also lingers in my memory as an amazing place, if surreal at times. Lately thinking that the new Portland Airport would be cool to see. Wish I had an excuse to go there.
Yes the Mumbai airport is quite amazing and the fact that SOM designed and pulled it off in that context is even crazier to imagine. It is very well done but kinda bursting at its seams these days...
Richard Balkins Wall of Text™ is the kiss of death for a thread.
Any comment that can't be condensed into a single, normal-length paragraph either has too much content or too much explanation. (I try to limit myself to three short paragraphs here...)
since I've been ignoring him for a couple of years, it's both rhetoric and literal - I can't see any more comments responding to him, and I don't go there anymore.
as an architect, i do appreciate his innovative use of text as a building material to define exclusionary spaces
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"
Asking because i can't tell. Did our main western colorado architect / hunter change to an anonymous screen from his real one? (im omitting C's name here in case that is the case and doesn't want the two cross linked...)
I'm 95% sure this is the case.
Bench... yes. Probably because too many one-post pony wankers got upset and sent his office angry karen letters.
I did! I felt like a change. When you click on my profile it should still have my actual name and info.
It wasn't because of people contacting my office. That only happened once and nothing happened other than the other owners called said user a 'wannabe architect'.
The other time a user here lied and tried to get me in trouble with my state licensing board. They made an anonymous complaint that was found to be untruthful. The board found out who they were, informed me and they filed charges against them for fraud and defamation. Said user has pretty much left the site.
$10 wannabe architect is Balkins because he did the same to me at one point.
It was not Balkins.
In fact, he wrote a very sincere and kind email to the other firm owners explaining the user who contacted them was being a immature jerk and I had been nothing but polite and professional.
Balkins also alerted me to the users 'blog' where he was saying untrue things that were dangerously close to liable.
Ah, DD if I recall correctly. Right?
That was one of them yes. The other I will not comment on since it involves legal action that I was not part of.
ok! i had picked up on enough bread crumbs that i was fairly sure that was the case. sorry you had to put up with that shit. i was gone on holiday long enough that i have no idea what happened if it occurred here. sucks.
Sorry to disappoint but I'm still here. ;)
YOU GUYS I HAVE A SICKNESS. This makes me irrationally angry.
Brick on vinyl. Brick with a receptacle. Not brick. Not real. Not acceptable.
Also, outlets at the ends of kitchen islands aren't allowed in most areas.
And there I was, enjoying a calm Thursday afternoon... Thanks Donna, no I am irrationally mad.
....
I know a guy who will take care of this.
It's gonna be OK gwarton.
Don't look at it.
Shhh, shhh, shhh.
It's can't hurt you anymore.
OA, that's a brand-new rule (as of the 2023 NEC). Or maybe the outlet is sticker as well? ;-)
I find that avoiding anything fake is a good rule of thumb. If you want brick, use brick, or at least thin-brick. If you want wood-look floors, use wood floors. If you want vinyl floors, use a pattern that only vinyl can provide. "Fake" looks cheap 99.9% of the time. I don't even like asphalt shingles, which are supposed to look like either wood shake or slate; I prefer metal that looks like metal. Though that's one I don't make a fuss about.
WG - I think it's only in commercial R occupancies. If I recall, it's been in place since at least the IBC 2018. I may be wrong though.
I only do SFR design and my architect and builder friends were all shocked when we had to change the methods we were used to when the 2023 NEC was released. I had a complicated kitchen design in the works that relied on cabinet-front outlets at the sink but we had to change in the middle of construction. Technically the state code does not include the 2023 NEC but every electrician I know goes by the latest version, regardless of what the state code says.
Makes sense WG. I don't do any SFR so don't know anything about that. For commercial buildings , I believe the entire state of CO adopted the 2023 NEC in August 2023.
Why are GC's trying to document every little thing as an RFI? Have their insurance companies told them it's the only legal mechanism for documenting something?
You guys discovered an undocumented pipe while excavating. You repaired it & reburied it. Draw it on the site drawing set. Tape your photos to a sheet & date it & put it in the set as part of the as-builts. It's not an RFI.
Should I not be annoyed by this sort of thing?
There is legal precedent, going back to the 1980s, that just the sheer number of RFIs on a project can be used as prima facie evidence in a claim that the architect's documentation was inadequate. Also, just a pure CYA measure, GCs document every little thing starting with an RFI because that's where the chain of future Change Proposals / Change Order creation always starts. As an architect in receipt of those RFIs, it is a best practice to record them in your tracking system with a qualifying category so you can then go back and identify how many RFIs were actually legitimate, and how many where just the GC asking random questions about stuff that has nothing to do with the design (or that they already had the answer to, but asked anyway).
To what end do we have some authority to say that’s not an RFI & not what an RFI is for?
I had a contractor, day of the pour, send an RFI requesting that I field verify existing elevations, I responded with the language from the general conditions describing the responsibilities of the contractor. Needless to say his voicemail was saved, and t-shirts will be made based on their response.
Well , if it’s not captured /documented by consultants / us architects it’s a variation isn’t it? Someone had to pay.. unless it’s a latent condition which would be dealt with differently…my 2c
I always try to establish with GCs that they should give me a call first and then follow up with an RFI for the paper trail if necessary. Most CMs don’t want to be spending all their time sending us RFIs. I also establish that I won’t be a dick to them if they missed something in the CDs.
Meaning - if they send me an RFI for something they just overlooked on the drawings that I won’t be a dick about it.
And gently remind them that the client sees these RFIs.
lss_s_mr wrote:
"Well , if it’s not captured /documented by consultants / us architects it’s a variation isn’t it? Someone had to pay.. unless it’s a latent condition which would be dealt with differently…my 2c"
Only if it adds cost to the project.
I've seen plenty of Request For Information (RFI), Architectural Supplemental Instructions (ASI), and even Proposal Requests (PR) that haven't added cost or time to the project.
proto wrote
"To what end do we have some authority to say that’s not an RFI & not what an RFI is for? "
All depends on the contracts in place.
If it's already in the CD's or not the responsibility of the design team you can tell them such.
How I've handled this in the past: If the GC persist then you call and tell them if this continues you will be informing the owner that this is an additional service. The owner will then contact the GC and charge them for the additional service.
If you receive and RFI, you are pretty much contractually obligated to answer it. That doesn't mean the GC has to like the answer they get. As far saying "That's not an RFI", that's what recording the RFI in your log with a qualifier such as "Invalid Question" or similar is for. The RFI asks you to field verify (LMAO at that request btw)? Entered into the log as an invalid question, responded with "General Conditions Section ##### states that it is the Contractor's responsibility to..." etc. If there is ever a claim on you downstream, all of that info is right there and becomes discoverable in litigation.
gwharton - I've replied with:
"Look at spec section ______"
"Look at drawings on sheet ______"
"That is the contractor's responsibility"
"There is no question present. Please revise to ask a question within our scope of work"
I've wanted to simply say "WTF?"
My particular irritation was that there was a discovered condition that was outside the scope of the work, but nevertheless uncovered in the process. It is of interest to the owner for sure. But it has zero to do with the contract docs. So, there is no response to be made from the design team. IMHO, it should be documented in the as-builts as part of the GC's ongoing work and handed off at the end to the owner for their project/facility records.
I've encountered this before. This RFI is a conversation between the owner and the GC. The GC may be looking to recoup cost of the unforeseen work or take it out of contingency. The only thing you can do is bring it to the owner's attention and tell the GC to be sure to document in their as-builts. I wouldn't be irritated by this - this is typical. GC needs to leave a paper trail - they've got a million things going on and if it's in an RFI it won't get lost.
I'm on the wagon until the evening of Election Day in the US. Trying to not drink until I have something to celebrate...or mourn.
I'm really fucking stressed, y'all.
just another week-long dumbster fire until the real fun starts.
right there with you, donna & yeah NS, that's just the carnival opening...
some moron decided to try & blow up a ballot collection box here in the rose city. Luckily the attempt failed.
i put my ballot in Sat...hopefully it found its way to the counting facility [I haven't seen the confirming text yet]
In talking with my company, we decided to strategically renew my work visa this summer to avoid any 'uncertainty' that might come up in the next few months.
I've stocked up on ammo, arrows, venison, and medication. Just in case.
I've stocked up on marshmallows and pointy sticks. I'm sure I'll be able to roast them just fine from a safe distance.
I mean you already have hockey equipment. That's 80% of the weapons and protection you'd need in any end of civilization event.
Ain’t no body shoot up a schools with hockey sticks, so don’t call them weapons. They are tools that occasionally serve up good face slaps.
I've watched hockey. They're weapons. If they're in the right players hands they're deadly! ;)
Pfffff, that’s just a game.
Game, you say?
I'm focusing on self-care. Plenty of exercise, matcha lattes, reading, gardening, and LSD.
This seems absolutely crazy to me: https://archinect.com/jobs/ent...
A firm, in NYC, at the top of the game with countless rich SFR clients, looking for someone with skills and serious experience, and they'll throw you $70k / yr.
This profession is shameful.
3 to 6y exp tho... Perhaps their list of skills is too much for what is likely an intermediate position? 70kusd per year is what you'd expect a senior arch with 10-15y exp to earn in my area (ie. 100k CAD).
In NYC 70k a year is 1-3 years experience.
@NS I definitely think their desired skills and estimated yrs of experience are mis-aligned. 3 years of experience is nothing. Certainly not "Advanced Architectural Designer" Obviously they want someone with 8+ years of experience and to pay them like a new grad in butt-fucked middle of nowhere midwest. (or a foreign country with lower wages)
I thought about 'applying' to the posting but in the cover letter explaining the absurdity of what the firm is asking.
archanonymous - even people like me from butt-fucked middle of nowhere midwest would laugh at this job offer.
At least they posted the salary in the listing to keep people away. I spent a month interviewing with one of Selldorf's piers in a mid tier city only to end it with them offering me $85k for 8 years of experience.
Depending on the city $85K could be a good offer.
It was a 25% pay cut from my current role, so wasn't that enticing.
I assumed it was a low offer for your area. It's important to understand that different areas pay more or less for the same amount of experience.
This is why, as of this week, I’m
No longer working for an arch firm. Better pay, better hours, work is just as interesting.
What is your new position axonapoplectic?