I am starting a new thread that is about other threads. You can talk about other discussions taking a place in Archinect and make cross references to a particular link, picture, response and whatever else you deem necessary or entertaining or thought provoking about the other thread. thus the name: Thread Central
here are some examples of comments that comes to mind:
* hey did you read on --------- thread ------- thinks frank gehry is good. hahahaharhar..
or,
*i can't believe he said that. how stupid of him. asshole.on top of it he is got hundreds of posts. gimme a break.
or,
* this is the best thread.. fuck the others..
or,
*****Thread Alert******
read the -----thread yet??? there is a dog fight going on between ----- and-----.it is about gondolas and pollution in Venice..see you there.
or,
* yeaah, i don't read that thread either. its kind a boring.
or,
*i am thinking about starting a discussion about ------------- ---- ---- will you guys in Thread Central post in it and say wow it a great thread?. it was about time 'somebody' (insert my name please) picked up on it.. and discuss it?
like whatever..
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 6:23 am
I have to say, that the lack of discussion around the outright slaughter of Palestinians, erasure of their communities and culture on the site is pretty remarkable.
Call it what you want; ethnic cleansing, apartheid, or genocide, this is beyond criminal.
I've read all manner of bullshit, be it there was a ceasefire on October 6th, to return hostages, to we were here first.
All of it, nonsense.
There's only one solution; one state, a pluralistic democracy, where all religions have access to the holy sites. No more racist theocratic ethnostate, anywhere. Anything else is a half measure.
"From the river to the sea."
#freepalestine
ivanmillya
Nov 16, 23 8:22 am
My preference is for no state, rather than 1. I don't see a state as being a solution to the problem of genocide or ethnic cleansing. Meanwhile the lack of discussion is heavily due to the full media support of Israel's crimes in nearly (if not) all western countries. Statecraft breeds colonialism breeds genocide. The United States directly contributes to the mass deaths of Palestinians, and the erasure and enslavement of Middle Eastern people, and are as complicit in genocide as Israel itself.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 10:29 am
I don't post about 99.999999% of the people being killed in the world today. Doesn't mean I don't care. Instead I try to actually do something about keeping the 0.000001% of people that I can do something about from being killed.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 10:37 am
Israel is the client state of US, and the US and Great Britain are responsible for this zionist project. However, we're not at a place in history, yet, where "no state" is possible. At the very least a pluralistic democracy gives voice to Palestinians living in an open air prison.
Caring? We're past that binary choice, as Americans we owe an obligation to people our government has murdered in order to protect us from the "baddies". If we're going to stay operating in our own self interests, how can we talk shit about any architects building NEOM, or in any other "objectionable" place?
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 10:49 am
Also, this is not a critique of "you" because these views are not just held by "you" or me, they're espoused by most. This is just me trying to provoke a discussion that is inherently about our relationship with culture, architecture and humanity.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 10:57 am
Talking about an issue is a great way to understand it and possibly make it better. Do you really think having a discussion about this will have any impact on this though?
I'm 45 years old. I can't remember a time when the Israeli / Palestine conflict wasn't going on.
For various reasons the US will NEVER stop supporting Israel. The only way then to stop this conflict would be to get rid of religion and communism. That's also NEVER going to happen.
Good luck figuring this out.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 11:01 am
We can only have an impact if we choose to have one.
I don't find indifference tenable. We all stood up for George Floyd, against Trump, for masks.
axonapoplectic
Nov 16, 23 11:04 am
Hamas (funded by Iran) attacking a bunch of innocent Israelis that are currently under rule by a right wing government is going to produce an outsized response. I also do not like what Israeli settlers are doing to Palestinians in the West Bank, but I think this current situation is murky - bad actors and a lot of propaganda on both sides, innocents caught in the middle.
axonapoplectic
Nov 16, 23 11:07 am
It feels like Hamas poked a hornets nest and are now using the media to blast how horrible hornets are.
Non Sequitur
Nov 16, 23 11:07 am
Since I life in the middle of the frozen north's capital city... I have to daily check the protest schedules to see how my day will get affected. So far it's just been a guerrilla war between the pro and against poster people sticking messages over the other groups' messages but it's all I see everyday once I leave my downtown office's front door. Not helpful... nor is it a solution, but it is draining knowing that some people's invisible sky daddy fantasies lead them to be shitty people.
My friends in political science and intelligence have it far rougher than me. I do my best to make their days better with beer and good company.
sameolddoctor
Nov 16, 23 11:37 am
Thanks for posting this Beta. I wanted to but who knows what is suitable grounds to get canceled these days..
Biden has proven to be more than a dud - he is a demonic, genocidal maniac. Even WH staffers are claiming that Israel has gone too far with their war (ie Genocide), but the Old Hawk stands with them "no matter what". What could have been laughable is the 8Bn $ in tax relief, whilst we sent 14 Bn$ to Israel (so they could buy more weapons from us)
Before this "war" I thought there were bad actors on both sides, but looking at what is transpiring, and educating myself a bit more, the actual perpetrators are indeed the United States and Israel.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 11:39 am
A couple of thoughts, there's this idea that Hamas "broke" a ceasefire. A laughable idea on multiple fronts. But here's a little piece of how the parties in the region, and in particular Israel has treated civilians. Additionally here's Netanyahu's connection to Hamas.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 11:41 am
b3tadine[sutures]wrote:
"We can only have an impact if we choose to have one.
I don't find indifference tenable. We all stood up for George Floyd, against Trump, for masks."
No we didn't. Not everyone. In fact about 40% of US citizens fought against anything being done about those things. That's irrelevant though. Since we need to do soothing what should we do?
Remember - talking about something and not doing anything about it is worse than being indifferent.
sameolddoctor
Nov 16, 23 11:42 am
Speaking of getting canceled for saying anti-Israel, here we go:
Architecture Lobby, get engaged, Sign This. See this.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 11:47 am
This isn't a popular opinion but I say let them keep fighting each other and let them figure it out themselves.
It's been what 50 years of trying to stop the fighting. Nothing has worked and nothing will.
You literally have two opposing sides that think their god demands that they keep fighting in order to possess the land to bring about the end of world and the return of god to the planet. You're not going to reason with this level of delusion.
The 'best' case senecio is that they kill each other off and that stops the fighting from continuing for another 100 years.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 11:51 am
If sides were equal, if it was two states, if it wasn't so damned asymmetrical, sure, OK, but this colonialist state is the 4th strongest military in the world, propped up by the largest, and it's taking pleasure in murdering civilians.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 11:55 am
I'm trying hard, very hard to maintain something in very short supply; hope. I've been terribly angry, angry that Gen X completely forgot the lessons of 9/11, terribly sad, distraught to hear the story of a mother wanting to breastfeed her murdered infant, recently pulled out of the rubble, because she was sure her baby was hungry.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 11:55 am
So?
Both sides are repugnant jerks.
Both sides are delusional, religious zealots.
Both sides purposefully target civilians.
Both sides are backed by several powerful governments.
The only lesson from 9/11 is that religious zealots are bad, hate creates hate, and you can't reason with fundamentalist who begive they are doing the right thing.
That last part is not true. Israel gets 4 billion a year, just from you and me, have received $318 billion since 1946. Gaza, has received $4.5 bn in 6 years, all from the UN, and almost none goes to the military. Hamas uses rockets powered by sugar and potassium nitrate, Israel has the Iron Dome, cruise missiles and nuclear weapons, AND US carrier groups in the Mediterranean.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 12:11 pm
Yet the war has been going on for how long? Doesn't matter. Nether side has 'in the right' or ' has a moral high ground' in this fight. Nether side deserves our support or pity. Governments only support a certain side because it benefits them.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 12:21 pm
Palestinians that have been dispossesed of their land, homes, identity, culture and history, but settler-colonialism, have all of my respect, support and empathy.
sameolddoctor
Nov 16, 23 12:25 pm
Chad, yes both may be religious zealots and in the end, Religion may be the critical problem with al of this, but the fact is that Palestinian lands were stolen, and they have lived in fear and subjugation from 1948. There comes a point when the pressure cooker can not take it anymore.
Bur you are right, both groups need to work WITH each other to create an equitable situation. Something I do not see happening when one side is pounding the other with US made bombs.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 12:46 pm
Both sides are guilty of atrocities and murder. You're not going to change my mind and make one side out better than the other. Period.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 12:49 pm
b3tadine[sutures]
"Palestinians that have been dispossesed of their land, homes, identity, culture and history, but settler-colonialism, have all of my respect, support and empathy. "
There are thousands of groups like this.
I have to say, that the lack of discussion around the outright slaughter of these groups, erasure of their communities and culture on the site is pretty remarkable.
Call it what you want; ethnic cleansing, apartheid, or genocide, this is beyond criminal.
There's only one solution; one state, a pluralistic democracy, where all religions have access to the holy sites. No more racist theocratic ethnostate, anywhere. Anything else is a half measure.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 1:12 pm
Indigenous tribes - by whatever means necessary - fought against settlers in Minnesota and elsewhere, was that an atrocity? The UN Charter says otherwise, at least when it comes to fights against occupying powers.
Should civilians, and over 50% are children, get murdered indiscriminately?
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 1:18 pm
Yes. It was also an atrocity how their lands were taken and their culture destroyed. Where is your outrage over this?
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 1:22 pm
I'm outraged. I'm outraged at what our ancestors did in the past, and Land Back shouldn't be a slogan. If indigenous peoples want land back, give it back. If they want more, give more. Honor treaties. But, indigenous aren't telling me to go home. Also, unless you have a plan to raise the dead, I don't know what more you want. The difference, and the biggest I can conceive, right now, is that THIS IS OCCURRING NOW. #ceasefirenow
Am I to understand that you don't feel that people have a right to protect their homes? By Any Means Necessary??
Lastly, indigenous people here, have representation, have a voice.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 1:30 pm
"For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state."
sameolddoctor
Nov 16, 23 1:42 pm
Chad, sorry for the personal assault but what you have said here is extremely stupid, and frankly dangerous :
"This isn't a popular opinion but I say let them keep fighting each other and let them figure it out themselves. "
You know "them fighting against each other" just constitutes more bloodshed directed towards innocent victims, when the actual decision makers are old men sitting in the comfort of their surroundings.
Secondly as far as Native Lands being appropriated, if that was happening right now, i would be as mad as I am for the Palestinian cause.
ivanmillya
Nov 16, 23 1:59 pm
Chad Miller wrote: "Both sides are guilty of atrocities and murder. You're not going to change my mind and make one side out better than the other. Period."
The fact is that in nearly every single metric, Palestinians have suffered casualties far greater than even the number of injured Israelis, spanning decades. October 7th was an outlier, wherein Hamas' push into the occupied territory resulted in higher Israeli casualties.
Furthermore, you're talking about a fight between an extraordinarily funded military state, whose adult citizens are majority active or reserve duty in the IDF; versus a coalition of orphans from decades of slaughter and ethnic cleansing, whose primary arsenal consists of homemade weaponry and rag-tag militia organization, stemming from the fact that Palestine has been under the occupation of Israel for 70 years, and was heavily occupied by Egyptian forces before that. To suggest that this genocide is somehow an equal fight between two terrible groups stretches the truth to absurdity.
How about instead of claiming "b-b-but both sides are bad!", you
just admit you don't know what you're talking about and get educated on the subject instead of doing active zionist apologia.
Wood Guy
Nov 16, 23 2:30 pm
Both sides have behaved badly. Israel has behaved far worse, for far longer. And it has nothing to do with religion; that's a distraction. It's all about their right-wing government.
sameolddoctor
Nov 16, 23 2:49 pm
Wood Guy, we should also apportion a fair share of Israel's wat machine to the unbridled support by the US.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 2:56 pm
Listen, I'm not trying to create enmity here, if I thought that there weren't enough people here to have a reasonable conversation, I would just keep this to dunking on the genocidal asshats on @threads, and IG. I learned from some friends that are Bahá’, that our views are not us as individuals, they are independent of us, and we should separate them. I'm trying, but man, it's not easy.
Sameold, absolutely, our hands are not clean. Not just support but seemingly encouragement, while simultaneously scolding Netanyahu and his government.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 4:20 pm
sameolddoctor wrote:
"Chad, sorry for the personal assault but what you have said here is extremely stupid, and frankly dangerous :
"This isn't a popular opinion but I say let them keep fighting each other and let them figure it out themselves. "
You know "them fighting against each other" just constitutes more bloodshed directed towards innocent victims, when the actual decision makers are old men sitting in the comfort of their surroundings. "
Secondly as far as Native Lands being appropriated, if that was happening right now, i would be as mad as I am for the Palestinian cause.
That's the point.
Sorry but my comment was a bit of an experiment to is if anyone would bring up the non combatants who are dying.
This war really only hurts the non combatants. People that are only arguing that one side is more right, justified, or well sponsored than the other are missing the entire issue with this war.
Only the innocent are dying. Both sides are responsible for this. Both sides are wrong. Posting about it enormously online isn't changing anything.
ivanmillya
Nov 16, 23 4:27 pm
Chad Miller, circa 1870s, when asked about the Great Sioux War: "This isn't a popular opinion but I say let them keep fighting each other and let them figure it out themselves. People trying to say that one side is more right or justified than the other are being obtuse."
I know it's hard to pick a side between colonizers and those fighting for their freedom, but have a little gumption, jeez.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 4:35 pm
See my response to sameolddoctor. Everyone here seems to be only focusing on which side is more 'right'
Both sides are wrong and they're killing innocent people.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 4:38 pm
Jovan Millet wrote:
"How about instead of claiming "b-b-but both sides are bad!", you just admit you don't know what you're talking about and get educated on the subject instead of doing active zionist apologia."
I know more about this than most people. It' why I have my view that both sides are abhorrent murders. I don't care about either sides view, religion, or politics. I don't care which side wins. Both sides are murdering innocent civilians (their own people and their perceived 'enemy). Both sides need to stop or be made to stop.
I'm disgusted that the US in involved in this.
I'm disgusted that this war is used for political gain.
If you think that because I don't support a side of this war then I'm a bad person then you've never been in war.
ivanmillya
Nov 16, 23 4:42 pm
The October 7th attack didn't kill "innocent people" in the way that you have in mind. The reality of that event was that a music festival was organized in the midst of ethnic cleansing in the area, the site for the festival was land on which Palestinian people previously (in the recent past) lived, until they were forcibly removed by IDF soldiers, and then the festival was set up with armed military checkpoints to make sure that Palestinian people were denied entry to the area.
Couple this with the fact that the vast majority of attendees were active participants in colonial ethnic cleansing by being active or reserve duty IDF, or by literally taking over the homes of previous (Palestinian) occupants.
Painting this as an attack on "innocent civilians" would be laughable, if it weren't so insidious.
ivanmillya
Nov 16, 23 4:44 pm
Not to mention, as you've acknowledged, active violence against Palestinian people is not new. It didn't start with October 7th. There wasn't any sort of ceasefire which was disrespected. This was an armed response by Palestinians to the hostile and violent removal of Palestinian people for a for-profit music festival.
ivanmillya
Nov 16, 23 4:47 pm
Since you refuse to take any sort of active stance between the side of the oppressor and oppressed here, I'll take mine: I refuse to condemn Hamas or any other Palestinian resistance group for the way they choose to fight their battles against their abusers. As I am not a Palestinian living in Gaza, I have no place finger wagging about morals in their struggle to not be blown into pink mist by Israeli bombs.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 4:48 pm
I never said anything about the recent attack.
I said that the majority of the people who have died in the 'war' have been innocent civilians. Notice I never mentioned which side the dead innocent civilians were on or who they were killed by. Also notice I never condoned either sides actions. I think both sides are vicious cunts who kill people (the other side and their own people).
That is what bothers me about this 'discussion'. It's just a bunch of people trying to say which side is justified. No one is recognizing that the actions both sides should be justified and and condoned at the same time. That's the issue with this 'war'.
ivanmillya
Nov 16, 23 4:54 pm
You literally just said above "Both sides are murdering innocent civilians", and that both sides need to be stopped. You're fence sitting, and now you're trying to make it look like you're not actively condemning those who are actively facing genocide. I'd guess you also condemned those protesting George Floyd's death in 2020 as "needing to be stopped"?
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 4:56 pm
That's because both sides have murdered innocent civilians. Maybe I should of added 'throughout the last 60 years of this war'
You're reaching here with your comments. You don't like that I won't support a side of this 'war'. Tough.
You just want to know who's on what side and not do anything about actually stopping both sides from killing people.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 6:00 pm
The problem with the "both sides" argument is that it presumes proportionality, where none exists. The Palestinians tried peaceful protesting in The March of The Return, 32 Palestinians were murdered, another 200 or so were shot. I'm against the murder of civilians, but I also recognize the sovereign right of a person's will to live, even if they are placed in a concentration camp, had their diet restricted to what is survivable, cut off their water and electricity, and have had the freedom of movement restricted, so much so, that even if they were granted - imagine being a person, one that has not committed a crime - granted the right to travel out of Gaza, then has no right to return to Gaza. Imagine living in the West Bank, where PLO/Fatah are the "government" not Hamas, and have to deal with the settler displacement, beatings, and murders by the same. Imagine not having a voice to do anything, imagine the poverty, the disease, the hopelessness, the indignity.
Sit with that agonizing reality, and you know what, even thinking about it, we still won't have a sense of what that is like, we never will. So, yeah, even if I could fathom that reality, I might be attacking those who get to enjoy the things they do, while I toil in the hell of this experience that only Kafka could touch; yet I committed no crime.
Am I an evil person, because I cling to my god, the meager possessions I have, and my struggle to breathe.
No one in this country would ever settle for that level of indignity, ever. We Revolutioned the British for a million times less. Taxes. Representation. Religious freedom.
Oh, wait, maybe they are us, and we forgot what it was like.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 16, 23 6:06 pm
The Balfour Declaration, what Orhan cited, goes back over 100 years, but this has its seeds in the latter part of the 19th century.
sameolddoctor
Nov 16, 23 7:47 pm
Chad, also understand that as a direct result of the Israeli occupation and extreme stronghold on Gaza, the amount of unemployment and hopelessness is extreme. Add to it the daily ridicule the Palestinians face from settlers (mostly American), it is a powder keg that will keep igniting again and again. The fault the Palestinians bear is that they are indeed, human.
Regarding the issue of occupation, imagine if a broheim from Brooklyn comes and occupies part of your house, and regularly ridicules you and slowly takes over your place...not sure youd be as sympathetic
ivanmillya
Nov 17, 23 8:00 am
^ Add to that, if the Brooklyn guy also murders your family when they come over to your place to help you kick the guy out because he's clearly stealing your house, then the NYT publishes a story talking about how your family are terrorists for standing up to that guy.
Chad: The idea that, as an American living in America, working a middle class job, my only two options here are to — what, fly to the middle east and join a Palestinian resistance group — or just sit here and say "well I'm not literally stopping bloodshed so I guess I'll stay neutral because it's not my fight"... that idea is absurd. I know what my ethics are, and they include supporting the side of human liberation from tyranny. I make buttons and zines detailing the atrocities being committed against Palestinians right now and for decades in the past. I stay involved with the news and call out Islamophobia, anti-semitism, and zionist apologia when and where I see it. I publicly and specifically support Palestinian resistance through my words in person and on the internet.
What else would you have me do as an American citizen living in the US? Your disagreement seems like if I don't actively go fight against IDF in Gaza, then anything else I do is pointless, and I don't think that's a reasonable response when faced with active genocide.
Chad Miller
Nov 17, 23 9:52 am
That's not what I said Jovan.
I'm not neutral in this.
I think both sides of this war have done so many horrible things that I cannot support either side.
I want to see both sides stopped.
Furthermore, my comment was that posting about the war online and publicly supporting one side isn't going to solve anything.
ivanmillya
Nov 17, 23 11:14 am
Okay but what are the "so many horrible things" that Hamas has done that hasn't been done by any other revolutionary group? I ask because a lot of the stuff that gets published in western newspapers about Hamas is verifiable made-up propaganda by Zionist sources.
Chad Miller
Nov 17, 23 11:29 am
Targeting non combatants. Just because it's been done before doesn't justify that it should be done again. You can keep posting in an attempt to justify your views. Just know you're not going to change my mind on this.
Goodbye.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 12:07 pm
Anyone here ever use a digital pen pad like this one from Wacom
I'm thinking of using it for digital sketching, redlines, and such. I'm sure about the disconnect from drawing on surface detached from the screen.
Thoughts?
gwharton
Nov 16, 23 3:59 pm
If you are fine with the tablet interface (drawing on one surface while looking at another), the Intuos tablets are about as good as they get. They are definitely a lot easier to use for computer drawing than a mouse. However, having switched over from a table to a screen, I won't ever go back. I know they are a bit more expensive, but worth it in my opinion.
Chad Miller
Nov 16, 23 4:17 pm
I've never used a tablet interface (drawing on one surface while looking at another). I'd love to get a tablet however I wat one at least as big as my computer screen (24" x 14.5"). Those types of tablet are around $2,500 vs the $500 for the tablet interface. :(
gwharton
Nov 16, 23 4:54 pm
I had a Cintiq at an old office, which I really liked. But it was big and kind of clunky to work with. I later switched over to a Surface Pro tablet, which has a high-resolution pen-screen interface like the Cintiq, but is also a stand-alone windows computer (as opposed to an iPad, which is just a tablet and won't run real software). It will run Bluebeam and sketching programs just fine. It even runs Sketchup and Autocad reasonably well. The newer ones are even more powerful, and the prices are roughly equivalent to a Cintiq. You can't really use a Surface as a pen tablet for a desktop computer, but if it works as its own computer, do you really need to? I found that I didn't.
Chad Miller
Nov 17, 23 9:55 am
I've heard good things about the Surface Pro. I think I'm looking for something that can act as a large format digital sketch pad / trace paper. I'd want something at least 18" x 24"
midlander
Nov 17, 23 4:09 pm
for digital art i tried using a wacom tablet but never really got a feel for it; the screen surface disconnect was insurmountable. i absolutely love using an ipad pro though. for design work it essentially follows the same workflow as printing and tracing, just digitally. the lack of software compatibility hasn't mattered for me since i'm just sketching on jpgs.
Chad Miller
Nov 20, 23 12:45 pm
mid - thanks for you opinion on this. That disconnect is what I'm worried about. I'll have to make a trip to a larger metro area and see if I can try one out. I'd love to have a 'draw on' screen that I could connect to my computer that was in the 24 x 36 size. I don't think a smaller tablet (iPad) would work for me. I'd need something at least 18 x24 to be able to do much. I know, weird.
midlander
Nov 21, 23 8:26 am
i really was skeptical about the ipad too and took a while to adjust (a year, but art is my hobby so not the priority), but with the right app it's very natural. procreate is very comfortable for sketching.
Chad Miller
Nov 21, 23 9:54 am
How well will the iPad play with PC's though?
midlander
Nov 21, 23 5:10 pm
if the workflow is sketching on jpg images, no problem. more than that i've never needed to try.
ofls
Dec 7, 23 7:17 pm
FWIW, if you're still looking - I had a cheap dummy Bamboo tablet back in undergrad, and the "disconnect" wasn't much of an issue after a little warmup, because you can always see the cursor moving around onscreen - same as you don't really notice moving a mouse. It did get a little annoying having the smallest size, since you have to decide on either low-resolution control that's mapped to the whole monitor, or a "pick and place" that's more akin to when you run out of mousepad and have to do the little bunny-hop move.
The screen on i.e. ipad/high end wacom is nice, but the screenless ones are bulletproof
proto
Nov 17, 23 5:48 pm
umm, all that business above needs to live in the Politics forum & particularly not in Thread Central
it's not that hard to guess how it's gonna play out -- just start it up in the right place is all i'm saying
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 18, 23 8:45 am
I debated where this should go as a topic, and I came down on the side of an ongoing genocide is not political; there are no "two sides", for me.
proto
Nov 19, 23 11:06 am
Label it as you please over in the politics forum
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 19, 23 12:27 pm
Nah.
Chad Miller
Nov 20, 23 12:50 pm
There are two sides attempting genocide and terrorist attacks against non combatants. The fact that people disagree on this is why it should go int he political forum.
Wood Guy
Nov 20, 23 1:51 pm
I agree, though I contributed to the mess above.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 20, 23 2:34 pm
It's not a mess, there was no yelling, no ad hominem attacks, it was disagreeing without being disagreeable.
Chad Miller
Nov 20, 23 2:47 pm
Except for the part were a user called those that disagreed with them names . . . .
sameolddoctor
Nov 21, 23 11:31 am
Let's keep taking about "both sides to blame" etc etc, even when one side is to blame way more. But this makes things much clearer. The party to take the biggest blame here is as always, the US. We like to flatten countries for oil.
Oh right now Israel is being a giant murdering bastard. Right before that it was Hamas. It's like each side doesn't seem to care that when they f-around their civilians find out. Very odd.
proto
Nov 21, 23 11:52 am
can the BGH push this shit to the right place? Thread Central isn't the place...ffs, people
sameolddoctor
Nov 21, 23 12:06 pm
Chad, you are right, but Hamas isnt as big a murdering bastard as Israel. Just the amount of CHILDREN killed by Israel killed in the last 4 days is more than what Hamas has done in over 50 years.
As for moving the thread, sure it can be done but probably a mild inconvenience is not a big deal?
Chad Miller
Nov 21, 23 12:11 pm
That's horrible. I don't care if Hamas isn't as big of a murdering bastard as Israel. They're still murdering bastards who are trying to kill as many people as possible regales if they're combatants. Both need to be stopped.
Everyday Architect
Nov 21, 23 12:17 pm
Not sure if he still is, but at one point Ken was a moderator on the site and knows better. It seems despite that he has chosen to post here to make a statement that genocide is not political based on a spurious definition that political things are two-sided and there are not two sides to genocide. Genocide may not deserve consideration of two sides, but the discussion is certainly political and there is a better place for it. I don't care that the discussion is happening, but I agree it doesn't belong in TC.
I'm not sure if Ken's (current/former) status give him prerogative to disregard the customs and culture of the forums without repercussions. If my memory is correct, people that have insisted on flooding TC with political content usually end up banned from this thread. I'm not saying it has gotten to that point here, but I think some moderation is deserved.
sameolddoctor
Nov 21, 23 12:26 pm
Sure, move it - it is just clear that the inconvenient truth is, well, too inconvenient to some.
Chad Miller
Nov 21, 23 12:32 pm
It's not inconvenient - genocide is horrible and should be stopped. Odd that some think that the only way to stop the genocide of their side is to commit genocide on another.
Everyday Architect
Nov 21, 23 12:33 pm
It has nothing do to with whether the inconvenient truth is too inconvenient for some. The inconvenient truth can still be inconvenient in another thread that keeps popping to the top of the page.
It's about allowing people to set boundaries and expecting others to follow them when it comes to online discourse. If you choose to engage in the discussion ... you can. If you choose to avoid it for whatever reason ... you can. If the normal boundaries of the forum and keeping threads on topic aren't followed the only alternative for boundary maintenance is to log off.
And that's a choice too, but it's probably not one the BGH would want to force on their users if they want to maintain some semblance of order for the sake of their advertisers and their larger goals with the site.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 21, 23 12:55 pm
According to the Convention, genocide is a crime that can take place both in time of war as
well as in time of peace. The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes
genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious
group, in whole or in part. It does not include political groups or so called “cultural genocide”.
This definition was the result of a negotiating process and reflects the compromise reached
among United Nations Member States while drafting the Convention in 1948.
What Hamas has done, does not fall under the terms set by the UN. Nor does Israel as an occupier have the right to self defense.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 21, 23 12:59 pm
With that I am done.
Everyday Architect
Nov 21, 23 2:48 pm
Thanks Ken
Josh Mings
Nov 18, 23 3:35 pm
I’m not sure why I didn’t do it before, but this place is better with Balkins and Jawknee ignored.
citizen
Nov 21, 23 5:31 pm
I just called the gym for their hours on Thanksgiving Day. "Twenty-Four Hour Fitness... you're talkin' to Bobby."
THAT is my new go-to greeting. "Thread Central here... Citizen's at the keyboard. What can I do ya for?"
proto
Nov 22, 23 1:48 pm
I hope everyone is getting ready for some time off with friends, family or deserved alone time, as is fitting to your own sitch
deep breath...let the shoulders fall...out & away...deep breath
me, i'm going to get outside & enjoy the sounds of the trees
happy thanksgiving, y'all
nabrU
Nov 22, 23 8:17 pm
Happy thanksgiving to you all Americans (I never understood the significance of it) Do you all form unions and strive for better pay, holidays etc as you sit around the Turkey?
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 22, 23 9:22 pm
No. We don't. We do American things, looks genociding indigenous people.
Orhan Ayyüce
Nov 23, 23 4:51 pm
People, don't forget, that it is "Happy Türkiye Day" now.!
ill_will
Nov 28, 23 3:49 pm
I just started a new job about 3 weeks ago. Previously I was at a rather intense, fast paced design firm (about 350 people). Now I'm at a smaller firm (100 or so people). The only reason I am able to type any of this is because I finished everything they've given me. I'm bored, like there's space in my brain to feel bored, space that would normally be consumed by intense project work. I fear that my senses will dull here and when I leave will I still be able to keep up at another busier firm? There are other flaws with this place, but that's another topic for another time. Anyone have any tips/ relevant thread suggestions?
Chad Miller
Nov 28, 23 3:52 pm
It is possible that your new firm is easing you into things so that you can assimilate to the new firm?
Have you told your new firm's leadership that you have more time and would be able to handle more responsibilities?
It sounds like you came from a firm that didn't care how much work you could handle and just piled it onto you without a care.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 28, 23 4:02 pm
A few things, first, it's the holidays, nothing of tremendous import is getting started and anything pushing to completion is not going to involve you at this point in time. Second, you're still becoming acclimated, three weeks is not enough time to fully understand your new environment, dig into it more. Third, there's always time to review existing projects, codes, etc. Fourth, your PM is probably catching their breath, getting ready for the new year, and where to fit you into project workloads. Fifth, enjoy the time to breathe yourself, next year comes fast.
ill_will
Nov 28, 23 4:27 pm
That's fair, I'm sure it'll pick up. I can probably study for LEED in the meantime.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 28, 23 4:36 pm
Munger is dead, bye bish.
ill_will
Nov 28, 23 5:47 pm
That dude looks like a muppet
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 28, 23 6:36 pm
I'm beginning to think we all need to re-watch Red Dawn.
Chad Miller
Nov 28, 23 6:49 pm
As long as it's the one with Patrick Swayze.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 28, 23 7:22 pm
The only one worth watching.
Bench
Nov 28, 23 7:29 pm
Anyone know if there's been any retrospective publication focusing on Zaha Hadid's drawings? It seems like everything available is basically just large-format coffee table book of architecture photographs with very minimal written information. I'd love to actually do a deep-dive into her history.
b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 30, 23 7:42 pm
Should we do a competition for the 4 million murdered by Kissinger?
ivanmillya
Dec 1, 23 9:10 am
I think I need to get started on an essay about how good (expensive) architecture (a new private office building) can heal the world and prevent future genocide. It'll get published in AIA national's journal and lauded for the next year!
b3tadine[sutures]
Dec 1, 23 11:11 am
I think MVRDV beat us to the punch.
Donna Sink
Dec 1, 23 1:51 pm
Excellent gift guide this year, @Archinect! Good balance of silly and serious.
Donna Sink
Dec 1, 23 2:02 pm
I'm researching my holiday cookie recipes I want to use this year and one of them includes "1.3333333730698 cups flaked coconut" and boy am I glad I'm an architect!
Josh Mings
Dec 5, 23 10:03 am
That .00000007 makes all the difference
axonapoplectic
Dec 5, 23 9:49 am
I learned that there are a couple large firms in my area that have been dumping most of their “overpriced” pandemic hires. One large firm is down to about half the size of where they were right before the pandemic. My previous office is “very slow” and has had two more rounds of layoffs since I was let go. I’ve been hearing next year is going to be rough for firms that specialized in office and multi-family - unless borrowing rates drop.
Bench
Dec 5, 23 1:11 pm
city?
Non Sequitur
Dec 5, 23 1:16 pm
I was speaking with a arch friend of mine a few days ago who told me they had just canned a bunch of their lower performing team members. I thought that was strange because everyone else, our office included, is absolutely swamped. Maybe it's because we did not pull the trigger on all those applicants looking to cash in on insane covid-increased salaries.
archiwutm8
Dec 5, 23 10:17 am
Every year around Christmas my office gets into heated debates about how to draw something. In previous years it was about staircase cut-offs, windows, what a window threshold is, and how it is defined. I wonder if this year's debate will be about coffer beams or mullions.
Wood Guy
Dec 5, 23 10:43 am
What's a window threshold? I'm a word nerd, especially for elements of construction, but I can't recall ever hearing those words said together.
ivanmillya
Dec 5, 23 11:44 am
We do that at my office too! Last year it was about representing and dimensioning window & door masonry openings (whether to centerline or give the opening size). I'm eager to see what it'll be this year.
Non Sequitur
Dec 5, 23 12:02 pm
It's always vapour retarders up here.
Everyday Architect
Dec 5, 23 12:09 pm
I've been doing this all year long with a committee at my firm. We meet weekly unless other things come up. It's better IMHO to have it only once a year around Christmas. Dragging it out over the year means you get burned out and don't really put your whole heart and soul into arguing your stance as much.* Sprint vs. marathon thing I think.
I'm with you WG, I want to know what a window threshold is and how it's defined.
*Except for one guy who seems to forget that we've argued and decided against him on multiple fronts for his pet arguments. He just likes to relitigate things I guess, or maybe legitimately forgets how many times we've handed him his ass.
Chad Miller
Dec 5, 23 12:53 pm
Non Sequitur wrote:
"It's always vapor
retarders up here."
Dang Canadian.
It's vapor retarder here in 'Murica. Get those metric pronunciations 'outa here.
Non Sequitur
Dec 5, 23 1:09 pm
Hey now, how'bout you be a nice neighbour and leave my u out of this. Stick to your archaic nonsensical feeties and inchies.
Chad Miller
Dec 5, 23 2:38 pm
I'm doin' things in twelfths damn it!
We only use metric for ammo, drugs, alcohol, and track. 'Murica!
Also, don't forget about the yard. ;)
JLC-1
Dec 5, 23 3:25 pm
and cabinets, all measured in mm. and much better built in canada.
Everyday Architect
Dec 5, 23 3:52 pm
see if this works
Almosthip
Dec 5, 23 5:24 pm
Not available in my country :(
citizen
Dec 5, 23 7:32 pm
archiwutm8, do you mean window sill?
Everyday Architect
Dec 6, 23 8:43 pm
VPNs can be your friend
Donna Sink
Dec 5, 23 9:58 pm
just a minor vent. I’m so frustrated by the thread about social justice in architecture schools. Partly because social justice is a good thing, but also because there seriously are too many helicopter parents these days. My parents said “choose a state school because we can’t afford out of state tuition” and I took on all the research from there. My son is in college now, and I’ve basically left him on his own to figure out most of it, although my husband does help (in my opinion, sometimes too much).
JLC-1
Dec 5, 23 10:19 pm
I think she's worried about her daughter deviating from the family politics more than anything.
b3tadine[sutures]
Dec 5, 23 10:22 pm
Which is good way to ensure she does
Non Sequitur
Dec 5, 23 11:12 pm
My parents said, oh you picked architecture? Sounds ok. Go on. And that was it.
will galloway
Dec 6, 23 3:02 am
My wife would agree with you Donna. I'm of mixed feelings on how much to help my kids, and find myself more and more thinking I grew up too much with the idea that the right way to do things is by our own power, no help. That attitude held me back so much as a youth, and I find myself leaning towards acting the other way as an act of contrition. By chance am reading "Bootstrapped" by Alissa Quart this week and she makes some good points about how pervasive the myth of self-sufficiency is in north american culture and how it is used to maintain the status quo in favor of people in power. It's a bit cringey at times but that doesnt make it untrue.
FWIW my parents never discussed university or jobs or my future ever, except the one time my dad had an army recruiter visit our house to see if I might try that out...in hindsight that was liberating and also completely unhelpful.
"I've had one encouraging response that sort of enforced what I believed" is all I needed to read.
Non Sequitur
Dec 6, 23 1:58 pm
Response from one-post ponies who created new accounts on the same day too.
____
Dec 6, 23 2:32 pm
Helicopter Moms for Liberty
gwharton
Dec 6, 23 2:40 pm
My dad said, "Oh, you picked architecture? Can you at least get certified as a diesel mechanic or something so you can fall back on it when you need money?" To be fair, he did apologize for that years later when I was principal architect winning design awards. ;-D
midlander
Dec 6, 23 5:52 pm
the key catch here is this helicopter mom is helping her daughter apply to GRADUATE school! this is simply a controlling parent disagreeing with her daughter's choices. i wish we had the daughters perspective on all this here.
____
Dec 6, 23 6:08 pm
I think her daughter's perspective is implied. It shouldn't be to surprising. Additionally her rebellion is delayed until 22.
proto
Dec 6, 23 6:39 pm
Nothing wrong with being interested and helpful in the process. There is something wrong with being over-involved & pushing goals not held by the kid. I don't think the OP over there really laid claim to the second to my reading. There's a bit of an over-enthusiasm to crucify her by reading a subtext that may or may not be there, imho
Non Sequitur
Dec 6, 23 6:50 pm
Subtext is pretty transparent. I've met many with similar likes of "questioning". It's always the same people offended when the conversation turns to pronouns. C
rucifixion warranted
midlander
Dec 7, 23 6:24 am
manipulative and controlling people tend to be very good at presenting a different face towards outside observers. just a guy feeling on this one, nothing in what she wrote.
midlander
Dec 7, 23 6:25 am
*gut feeling ...
Donna Sink
Dec 7, 23 6:26 am
I hear you proto and I agree but I also agree with everyone else. I’m sure there’s more nuance to the story. But I ask myself if the mom wanted her daughter to investigate schools why didn’t she show this website to the young adult and say “maybe there’s something to be learned here?” instead of posting the question herself. The daughter is an adult.
archanonymous
Dec 7, 23 8:05 am
That thread is bizarre all around.
Bench
Dec 7, 23 8:33 am
"her rebellion is delayed until 22"
the most typical kind of rebellion for the late blooming architect ... ha!
On a mildly related note, I did my admitted student school tours for graduate school back in '12 or '13; extremely excited for one of the schools as it's been regularly cited as one of the top M.Arch programs in the country (whatever that means). Pretty standard prospective student body from the looks of it, but one guy who was fresh out of undergrad had his mother in tow. It became pretty clear throughout the day that she was really speaking for him, not just accompanying him. Culminated in the final session of the day on student aid and paying for the program, where she fully hijacked the discussion with the administrator and went to town with questions/opinions on everything. I don't think this kid could have slunk any further down into his chair ...
Wherever you are, hop it worked out for ya buddy
Non Sequitur
Dec 7, 23 10:03 am
Bench, I did open house presentations for 2 arch schools and entrance interviews for one. There was always a few agressive helicopter parents there.
axonapoplectic
Dec 7, 23 10:46 am
Bench - I recall something similar at a certain “elite
grad program
Everyday Architect
Dec 7, 23 11:19 am
My bet is that any rebellion that is likely to happen has already happened (or bare minimum has already been set in motion); the news of it just hasn't reached the mother. News will likely reach the mother when their child feels financially independent.
E.g. The mother seems worried about their child's politics. My bet is the child already has voted differently than the mother might expect, or has already made up their mind to next year.
Non Sequitur
Dec 7, 23 11:33 am
^or the child came how with purple hair.
____
Dec 7, 23 9:27 pm
My money is on the purple hair.
archanonymous
Dec 8, 23 6:37 am
I wanted to take a gap year and live in a van while I skied every day.
I only applied to school because I got a free application after scoring shockingly close to perfect on my SAT. I only went to the school because I nearly got a full scholarship. Never visited campus, never talked to anyone, fuck, I had never been East of the Mississippi.
15 years later, here I am living in my van down by the river. You can delay destiny but never avoid it.
Donna Sink
Dec 8, 23 10:01 am
Congratulations on your SAT score archanonymous! I was a really good student but totally blew my SATS. Probably still high from the night before. But I knew I was going to a state school that would take me so I also didn't try very hard. I tried *hard* on my GREs and did fine, nothing close to perfect though! Aren't you also an Eagle Scout?
Josh Mings
Dec 8, 23 11:48 am
I still jealous of living in the van down by the river - given where that van has been the last couple of years.
archanonymous
Dec 9, 23 8:41 am
@Donna well I got high in my car before hand so I'll attribute it mostly to luck. I had the coolest little mini-bong that fit in a sunglass case when I was in high school... man I miss that thing.
In the grand scheme of things it is something I never think about (the SATs that is - I miss that mini bong all the time) but it does form part of that chain of events that took me to university. Life's weird that way.
Definitely not an Eagle Scout - but I did help several friends with their scout projects doing wildfire and erosion management around where I grew up.
Chad Miller
Dec 6, 23 1:17 pm
I'm ready for the office to close for the holidays. Uhg.
archanonymous
Dec 7, 23 8:03 am
There are, uh, techniques you can use to make that happen.
Chad Miller
Dec 7, 23 9:38 am
I'd still like for the firm to exist after the holidays . . .
citizen
Dec 7, 23 5:31 pm
These... "techniques" of which you speak... Do any involve handcuffs, a polaroid, and half a roller derby team? Just asking for a fiend.
Chad Miller
Dec 7, 23 6:22 pm
Depends on the roller derby team.
citizen
Dec 7, 23 7:05 pm
... and which half!
archanonymous
Dec 8, 23 6:38 am
@citizen, that's one way to skin a cat for sure!
proto
Dec 8, 23 7:18 pm
#weekendgoals
#holidaygoals
#livelovelaughwithhalfarollerderbyteam
b3tadine[sutures]
Dec 8, 23 5:21 pm
RIP Ryan O'Neal
RIP
Everyday Architect
Dec 12, 23 11:44 am
We should absolutely get the entire month of December off. That is all.
Non Sequitur
Dec 12, 23 11:45 am
and what, work twice as hard in november and january?
Chad Miller
Dec 12, 23 11:49 am
Our office is closed Christmas Eave through New Years. You can take vacation, leave without pay, or work. All up to you.
Josh Mings
Dec 12, 23 11:50 am
One of those agree in theory, but not in practice type things. That said, giving myself between Xmas and New Years off with exception of anything that comes up/background firm stuff
Everyday Architect
Dec 12, 23 11:51 am
Nope just a month of merriment and no working.
Non Sequitur
Dec 12, 23 11:52 am
^same deal here but we also allow people to bank hours in advance or use any unclaimed sick days (because they don't roll over). The management staff just get it covered without the need to account for the hours because we work enough OT during the other 51 weeks to make up for a few days.
b3tadine[sutures]
Dec 12, 23 12:16 pm
Thanksgiving through New Years, except back in the office on Boxing Day.
Non Sequitur
Dec 12, 23 12:19 pm
October to dec 26 off is a good idea... oh wait, you mean US thanksgiving....
Everyday Architect
Dec 12, 23 12:27 pm
You know what NS...
Everyday Architect
Dec 12, 23 12:30 pm
We're also closed the last week of December. My last office did the flex hours/accrued hours thing for any worked over 40/week that you could bank for the whole year, but not my current.
citizen
Dec 12, 23 12:48 pm
+++ for using merriment.
J G
Dec 12, 23 2:11 pm
we should get the whole year off. nothing but merriment
Non Sequitur
Dec 13, 23 10:46 am
Ah, why did the big green head turn off comments on the sponsored harvard crypto tech-bro jive "course"? SO much potential snark opportunities missed. Could probably power a whole crypto mining rig with a day's worth of comments. Certainly would take away the attention off the genocide dumpster fire.
Anyways, I guess there are worst ways to burn $500 than attend the architecture's future is blockchain...
pandahut
Dec 13, 23 10:55 am
Here here, we can just slam Harvard president on this thread and call for her to step down. Privilege has many faces....
b3tadine[sutures]
Dec 13, 23 11:21 am
Okay Bill Ackman
Everyday Architect
Dec 13, 23 12:08 pm
They always turn off comments on the sponsored posts. On the one hand, I don't get to leave snarky comments and see other's snark. On the other hand, it means the post fades off the page pretty quickly and gets lost to the bowels of the internet and forgotten.
I also think it's sort of nice that the BGH says, "You can pay for a post, but we don't guarantee any engagement ... in fact we'll go to lengths to actively discourage it. Thanks for your money."
Bench
Dec 13, 23 1:15 pm
Wait but we've definitely shit talked sponsored posts before. There's that one recruiter who puts one up every month or so and people have called him out for the terrible career advice he writes about.
Non Sequitur
Dec 13, 23 2:34 pm
Don't think that one is a paid-for "blog" post Bench.
Chad Miller
Dec 13, 23 2:48 pm
Yeah, that's just a recruiter trying to get briskness by lying.
ill_will
Dec 13, 23 4:12 pm
Probably a dumb question, but who is the big green head? (if you're not referring to the color of american money)
Everyday Architect
Dec 13, 23 4:28 pm
"Big Green Head" aka "BGH" aka "Archinect" aka "Paul Petrunia the site's founder/owner"
I think the title is a nod to the Wizard of Oz where a "man behind the curtain" controls a big green head. It's probably back in one of the first hundred pages of TC if anyone wants to trace it down.
Everyday Architect
Dec 13, 23 4:45 pm
No spoiler alert on that because the film is coming up on 85 years old next year.
Bench
Dec 14, 23 9:28 am
wtf dude i was just about to watch that!
Everyday Architect
Dec 14, 23 11:28 am
Spoiler alert!
It starts out in black and white, but there's color in the land of Oz!
Bench
Dec 14, 23 12:54 pm
that was some cutting edge creativity back in the day ...
b3tadine[sutures]
Dec 14, 23 1:31 pm
Another spoiler, it's about the brokenness of a capitalist system.
citizen
Dec 14, 23 4:58 pm
Isn't everything?
Rough Times
Dec 13, 23 8:17 pm
TESTING
Non Sequitur
Dec 13, 23 9:12 pm
TESTICALS?
ill_will
Dec 14, 23 11:12 am
TESTICAL TESTIMONIES.
Everyday Architect
Dec 14, 23 11:22 am
testing ... a new user name, or figuring out if an old one still works?
citizen
Dec 14, 23 4:59 pm
Better to be quizzical than testicle, I always say.
archanonymous
Dec 14, 23 10:50 am
Does anyone work with a marketing person to push content to your social media or wherever you advertise? And wouldn't mind sharing their info with me?
Josh Mings
Dec 18, 23 8:22 pm
I’ve been doing it all myself right now, with plans of getting someone to help. Send me a message and I’ll give you a couple contacts.
Donna Sink
Dec 18, 23 6:55 pm
Good evening TC. A lot of us have known a lot of us for a long long time here on TC! And we’ve seen each other go through some significant life changes. So I’m here to post that I’m taking a last minute flight to Phoenix right now because my dad is about to enter hospice. It’s a really sad thing, of course, but I don’t want to bring anyone else down. My dad is approaching death with exactly the same optimism and gratefulness for life that he has approached every single thing in the last 84 years! If you like me, it’s all because of how my father has modeled a good life for me. He’s an extraordinary human and I’m grateful I have the ability to go across country to see him off this plane (get it?).
Anyway, much love to Archinectors tonight. Keep on keeping on.
Non Sequitur
Dec 18, 23 7:07 pm
Raising a glass of bourbon Donna. I recently, no less than 6 weeks ago, had a similar situation with a very dear and significant family member.
sameolddoctor
Dec 18, 23 8:59 pm
Sorry to hear Donna, I was in the same situation 4 years ago (cant believe its been 4 years already) that Mom's cancer treatments stopped working and she started getting very sick, around the same time, and she left us in Feb 2020.
I remember her care team mentioning how many people they lose over the holidays, it is always more than the "usual".
Much love to you all and hope Dad's last moments are as painless and light as possible.
Donna Sink
Dec 18, 23 10:41 pm
Thank you sameold.
Orhan Ayyüce
Dec 18, 23 11:36 pm
Dear Donna, I am sending you and your family love, care, and sympathies. Sounds like a great Dad you have. Even though we see death as finite, it is not. From my personal experience, he'll always be there for you.
Volunteer
Dec 19, 23 10:50 am
Donna, so sorry to hear about your Dad. It is very good you can go and be with him for a while.
Wood Guy
Dec 19, 23 11:38 am
Donna, that's about the best one can hope for in this situation. You're both lucky to have each other.
pandahut
Dec 20, 23 10:33 am
Sending love.
Chad Miller
Dec 20, 23 10:46 am
I'm very sorry to hear about this Donna.
citizen
Dec 21, 23 8:17 pm
Donna, my heart goes out to you, your dad, and your family. He's lucky to have you for a daughter, too.
archiwutm8
Dec 19, 23 5:10 am
Really tired of 500 emails a day from aconex and the various document management systems but especially aconex
sameolddoctor
Dec 19, 23 10:31 am
ACONEX SUCKS ASS
pj_heavy
Dec 19, 23 8:40 pm
Anything in the market is better… ? not really
Bench
Dec 20, 23 8:23 am
so are Tyler Phillip and Naylor Ella just a rogue AI bot ?
Non Sequitur
Dec 20, 23 8:48 am
Yes. Naylor claims to live in the city of Brazil yet profile states from Misourri. Also loves linkin park.
Chad Miller
Dec 20, 23 9:59 am
I think it's adorable how hard the little bots are trying. It's like watching a puppy trying to navigate stairs for the first time.
Josh Mings
Dec 20, 23 11:51 am
Nothing wrong with loving the dulcet tones of Chester Bennington
nabrU
Dec 20, 23 5:06 pm
How come I can't post on what music are you listening to and all my posts over years have been removed from that thread?
b3tadine[sutures]
Dec 20, 23 5:41 pm
You're not allowed to post NKOTB. D00d.
nabrU
Dec 20, 23 5:48 pm
It was plenty of good music tho, from friends bands, a bit of roots fire, a bit of hip hop. Just good music, kind of had hoped a bunch of architects would respect cultural heritage...
Chad Miller
Dec 20, 23 6:12 pm
Oh hush nabrU. No one is disrespecting anything.
nabrU
Dec 20, 23 6:34 pm
Whoever got the music removed is disrespecting the artists.
Non Sequitur
Dec 20, 23 6:40 pm
This better not be about disrespecting Neil young.
b3tadine[sutures]
Dec 20, 23 6:43 pm
No one disrespects Southern Man
Chad Miller
Dec 20, 23 6:47 pm
A Southern man don't need him around, anyhow.
JLC-1
Dec 22, 23 2:51 pm
Merry Christmas everyone, and I recommend to watch this short series,
Donna Sink
Dec 24, 23 6:46 am
Happy Christmas Eve from one of my favorite airports, the McNamara terminal in Detroit! I m crazy for this showily-engineered fountain:
But I couldn’t enjoy the holiday-themed light and music show due to being distracted by this *significant* crack in the terrazzo that ran the length of the connector, but only on one side.
Four more hours and I’ll be home!
SneakyPete
Jan 8, 24 1:16 pm
I fucking hate that goddamn tunnel. Whoever thought that what tired and annoyed travellers need is a LOUD AND FLASHY INSTALLATION THAT GOES IN THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE RUNWAY is an asshole.
Nam Henderson
Dec 28, 23 12:40 am
Hi TC!
Donna, this "approaching death with exactly the same optimism and gratefulness for life that he has approached every single thing" is a wonderful tribute! I know certainly not a thing could always be said for me, but a North Star for a good life. May his memory be a blessing.
Regarding EA's comment on liveliness of forums, in my own case, a direct result of fatherhood and professional growth (maybe also a bit the growth of various newer digital "communities"). Though I'd also note that both archiwutm8's post (on end of year drawing debates) and ill_will latest, and the even brief convos they kicked off are representative of (one of reasons) why I keep coming back...
I'm curious how many TCers' are Novids? We'd made it almost 4 years and then finally tested positive Friday. Luckily seems to be a mostly mild case but definitely glad we were vaxxed nonetheless.
Wishing y'all a happy holidays/start of the year!
Nam Henderson
Dec 28, 23 12:44 am
Also I am pretty sure the BGH consists of more than Paul Petrunia. In my experience there is
a small but mighty HQ/team, that has fluctuated (in size and personnel) over the years. Plus a few community member/moderators (with lesser powers).
Nam Henderson
Dec 28, 23 12:55 am
Oh and I missed the IRL 'Nectors convo. I've had pleasure of meeting a few, not as many as I'd like. Knew (went to school with but in a different program) a few of the older crew (Aaron and Quilian) and had pleasure later in life of meeting Javier, Nick (maybe Bryan?) and Orhan on a trip to CA. Attended at least a couple of Denver crew meetups early in my years here in CO. More recently I've missed (much to my chagrin) chances to meetup with b3ta and Donna during separate trips they've made here.
Wilma Buttfit
Dec 28, 23 11:24 am
I forgot about that meet-up in Denver, Nam. I met 3 more archinecters than I initially stated. I’m down for another meetup!
Everyday Architect
Dec 28, 23 1:34 pm
Still a family of Novids over here. Sorry to hear you tested positive, but glad it seems to be mild. Rest up. Happy Holidays
Non Sequitur
Dec 28, 23 1:37 pm
I got Covid from a rage against the machine outdoor show.
Nam Henderson
Dec 29, 23 12:51 am
@Wilma, that'd be great! Will try to remember to email the emails I still have for y'all in the New Year/once we are clean. @Non., I was supposed to go to the 97 Rage-Wu tour. Got grounded and RATM is still one of my biggest regrets/bucket list groups!
Wood Guy
Dec 29, 23 9:49 am
With an abundance of caution, I superstitiously won't say that I haven't had Covid. But I'm not saying I have tested positive either.
proto
Dec 30, 23 3:02 pm
same, afraid to write that sort of thing out...
vado retro
Dec 30, 23 10:55 am
In the last three years, I have had everything except Covid.
Those who forget Archinect History are doomed to repeat it.
vado retro
Dec 30, 23 11:07 am
Those who forget Archinect History will be doomed to repeat it. Happy New Year.
Emily Kemper
Dec 30, 23 4:25 pm
Hey guys, how are you all doing?! I've been lurking a bit lately and feeling like I wanted to dip my toe back into the forum here a bit, especially since Xitter imploded. Donna, I also love the Detroit airport! I'm still out here in Portland and we're anxiously awaiting the opening of our brand new woodsy PDX terminal roof, which I'm sure you've all heard about plenty by now. My friend started working at ZGF last year and has posted about it on LinkedIn, hopefully cross-posting is OK, here are some behind-the-scenes photos in case you're interested: https://www.linkedin.com/posts...
Also I procreated since the last time I posted on here, I think? Gosh it's been so long! Anyway, here she is in disguise (LOL) earlier this year at daycare.
Baby in sunglasses and hat
Happy almost New Year!
Orhan Ayyüce
Dec 30, 23 7:15 pm
Haha! Eltona John. Time flies, I’m trying to miser it! Happy new year emkem!!!
Nam Henderson
Dec 30, 23 11:42 pm
Nice to see the reappearance of two "old-timers"... Also congrats Emily!
citizen
Dec 31, 23 6:42 pm
My goodness! Why is that adorable toddler surrounded by baby bodies on the floor? =O)
citizen
Jan 1, 24 5:48 pm
She's so cute... and looks like she's calmly checking her nails after kicking serious baby butt.
Josh Mings
Jan 8, 24 11:02 am
That kid has more style than I ever will.
proto
Dec 31, 23 12:02 pm
Happy new year to our friends down under - kicking it all off for 2024!
Architectnew1010
Jan 1, 24 1:40 am
Hey guys,
Newish architect here.
Are allowances usually made for MEP services when you do designs, or would you just wait to be told how much room to leave once a MEP consultant is in board?
Any help would be great!
Thanks :)
Wood Guy
Jan 1, 24 12:01 pm
You should plan ahead for mechanical space, probably 2-3 times more area than you think you need. In the residential world we rarely have the benefit of a mechanical engineer on the design team but I have found having one to be a valuable addition.
No matter how much space you give them, engineers and HVAC contractors will want more, but it's really difficult to squeeze everything into a space that's not large enough.
Over the weekend I had to relight the pilot light on my mother-in-law's water heater and I literally didn't have space to see whether it was lit.
citizen
Jan 1, 24 1:31 pm
To this important matter of adequate space, I would add strategic location(s)-- for better and more efficient equipment access (per WG) as well as duct and piping runs.
bowling_ball
Jan 1, 24 4:44 pm
Don't forget ventilation requirements if you're closing in the room
Donna Sink
Jan 6, 24 4:13 pm
LET THERE BE ZUMTHOR!
Nam Henderson
Jan 6, 24 11:58 pm
Did you visit La Brea? I've always wanted to go. They are right across the street right? Any sense whether the NHMLAC or this will be a better/more architecturally interesting, project?
Donna Sink
Jan 8, 24 8:34 am
Nam we did Peterson (stooooopid building) LACMA and TarPits in one day and I looooooved the tar pits! I could stand and watch those little black bubbles burst all day long. I even had my son take a picture of me with the CGI-generated extinct animals. Here I am with some kind of bird and the glorious Goff Japanese pavilion behind me.
Donna Sink
Jan 8, 24 8:36 am
Huh, can’t get the picture to load. I’ll try later.
natematt
Jan 8, 24 1:21 pm
Can you believe they considered getting rid of the mammoths?
Donna Sink
Jan 8, 24 2:24 pm
Me, Bruce Goff, and a virtual Pleistocene-era turkey.
Josh Mings
Jan 8, 24 4:06 pm
You gotta kick that turkey's ass.
Orhan Ayyüce
Jan 8, 24 7:45 pm
sidenote, Bart Prince had a huge role in bringing the project to life as Goff passed away two years before the construction started with a lot of unresolved details. So happy that Zumthor's LACMA will visually bring it to viewers. Glad to see you are having fun Donna.
sameolddoctor
Jan 9, 24 10:23 am
This reminds me to take the kids to the tarpits and the academy museum. Havent been to the area for 3-4 years now even though we live in LA. Life is busy, and im busy being disgusted on how they tore down the old beautiful LACMA buildings....
midlander
Jan 12, 24 9:45 am
i love that quirky little gallery. i wish museums today were able to have that kind of playful idiosyncrasy without any pretense of importance.
natematt
Jan 15, 24 6:47 pm
The outside does not hold a candle to how nutso the interior is. What a fun space. Wish all the acrylic aged a little better.
Donna Sink
Jan 11, 24 9:39 pm
Quiet on TC but I'll point to this News item about Oana.
Oana was one of the way-back regulars on the Forum when she was a student! It's been amazing seeing her successes.
Unrelated. One thing I couldn't get over on my trip to LA was how defensive all the architecture is. In ALL of the residential neighborhoods I went through the majority of houses had fences or dense plant growth right up against the street, with a gate to enter the property, and the house was barely visible. I think this relates to historic Central American architecture that emphasizes interior courtyards, and maybe it's just an adopted approach to the street that Southwestern settlers used. In any case, it's good for privacy from the street but to me seemed a little dramatic? Like everyone has to hide because they're movie stars? Or like everyone is so afraid of their neighbors they have to build mini-fortresses?
Anyway LA is lush.
citizen
Jan 11, 24 10:41 pm
Lush here! =O| I've seen much more of that in recent years, Donna. I believe some it is an old-fashioned desire for privacy in single-family neighborhoods. Sometimes it's just at the front/sidewalk edge, and not along the sides or rear-- indicating a specific aversion to strangers (and their dogs) and maybe solicitors. But some of it, I'm convinced, is just copying what the neighbors are doing, by folks not overly private but not wanting to miss out on a trend. I can't imagine that most cases owe a conscious debt to Latin American urban design. If only.
PS. I wish we'd gotten to meet up, but I know travel time is packed and precious on trips like this.
sameolddoctor
Jan 12, 24 10:33 am
Well, Donna, in LA proper, a lot of the defensiveness is a direct result of the crime rate as well. Not sure if you went to suburbs like Pasadena, Glendale etc where you can see open front yards with super low hedges/fences.
And yes, its been so nice to see Oana's successes from the student days to now.
JLC-1
Jan 12, 24 11:15 am
front yards are the stupidest thing invented by men.
Josh Mings
Jan 12, 24 11:29 am
If there is no "get off my yard" what are old men supposed to yell at kids about?
Chad Miller
Jan 15, 24 7:42 pm
The front yard is where I practice my martial arts while wearing a red speedo. My neighbors love it! Oh wait . . . .
citizen
Jan 16, 24 12:36 am
With the right accessories, Chad, you won't need the martial arts.
And yes, that's Sean Connery.
Chad Miller
Jan 16, 24 12:02 pm
That's from the movie Zardoz. FYI - that film is where the phrase 'big green head' comes from. In the film the big green head floats around and barfs up guns for the people to fight with.
Non Sequitur
Jan 16, 24 12:08 pm
Hey now, that SC pic is my jam! Love that movie.
Side note: I may just be a overly polite dirty communist Canadian but it appears to me that the bullets in Sir Sean Connery's suspenders don't fit the revolver he's packing.
Chad Miller
Jan 16, 24 12:20 pm
There is a lot to unpack in Non's statement. ;) Non - I always figured the rounds in the bandoleer were for a rifle.
In 'Merica we know the difference between bullets and rounds. Now excuse me, I have a mass shooting to mourn and kidney to sell to afford my healthcare. Freeeeeedoooooom!
archiwutm8
Jan 12, 24 5:16 am
I’m so burnt out, like mentally capping out, I’m making mistakes, hating every waking working moment and going home to other issues. I really don’t know what to do, the usually 1-2 weeks holidays aren’t cutting it anymore. Any advice?
curtkram
Jan 12, 24 8:48 am
probably remove yourself from the situation. maybe look for a different office, or adjacent career?
curtkram
Jan 12, 24 8:50 am
also, try to focus on the positive. there has to some element of the work situation you like, maybe some piece of the design or some detail you worked out. also, something at home you like. maybe a good dinner. think about the positive stuff and then think about how you can shift your situation so you're doing more of the positive thing and less of the burn-out thing.
Wilma Buttfit
Jan 12, 24 9:17 am
I’m burned out too. No advice just know what it feels like and it sucks. I need new energy.
sameolddoctor
Jan 12, 24 11:34 am
My partner getting COVID and hence erasing Xmas week plans have increased my burnout big time.
Chad Miller
Jan 12, 24 11:38 am
I'm in the same situation as you archiwutm8.
I've found that keeping time for myself to get outdoors and get exercise really helps me handle the stress.
I also have a series of fun activities throughout the year that I've planned so I look forward to them
Good luck with this!
Josh Mings
Jan 12, 24 12:02 pm
Want to hear something incredibly weird? My burnout was "cured" (is it ever really?) by going out on my own and controlling how my labor is spent, what it is spent on, etc... It's the most stress I've had in my life, but a different kind of stress. Of course, this path is absolutely not for everyone and I still wonder what the hell did I do on a daily basis. Finding ways to take control of your situation may help.
archiwutm8
Jan 12, 24 12:15 pm
Honestly, I'm starting to have chest aches end of the working day and I don't know if it's long sitting hours or panic attacks. I go for long walks on weekends but the whole working week honestly just really sucks.
Josh Mings
Jan 12, 24 12:19 pm
That's absolutely a sign that the situation isn't right for you. I've been there, and I hate that you're going through this.
Donna Sink
Jan 12, 24 12:31 pm
Yeah, archiwutm8 please don't continue to be this miserable. Try to find another job. A job isn't worth this kind of stress to both your mental and physical health.
Chad Miller
Jan 12, 24 12:53 pm
archiwutm8 - are you able to see a doctor and then speak to your firm about this? I am genuinely concerned about your well being. This is just a job. It's not worth your physical or mental health.
axonapoplectic
Jan 14, 24 3:55 pm
I was very burned out at my last job. I started by telling people it would take me a couple days or a week to get something done instead of them telling me they needed it by the end of the day. That push back and managing expectations helped a lot. I think it might have led to them laying me off, but I found something pretty quick and started from the beginning managing others’ expectations. Much less stress.
archiwutm8
Jan 15, 24 3:57 pm
I try that but doesn't work like that where I am. The client wants everything asap and management is disorganized and stressed out 24/7. I'm considering gathering funds for the next few months and might call it quit and go teach English, been in AEC for 10+ years now and if I'm honest I don't know if I ever enjoyed it, I enjoy design and architecture issues like social housing but the work environment just isn't right.
Chad Miller
Jan 15, 24 3:59 pm
archiwutm8 - Sounds like the firm you're at is crap.
flatroof
Jan 16, 24 11:07 am
That's what I did saved up enough to give myself a runway for a year or so and bailed. You need some time to decompress and find a "bridge job" that is low stress as you plan your next move. Burnout fries you good and you don't want to jump into another big change right after leaving a toxic place.
atelier nobody
Jan 18, 24 1:51 pm
In Nov/Dec of 2022 I burnt out to the point of actual collapse (as in I literally COULDN'T get out of bed). I spent the first half of 2023 either in psychiatric treatment or just watching YouTube all day, tried going back to the old job in June but lasted 2 weeks before I was back in the hospital. I'm very fortunate to live in a state with relatively generous disability or I'd be homeless.
Start taking care of yourself before your body decides for you.
(I started a new job in August, which is great, but I'm still feeling some of the effects of the burnout.)
archiwutm8
Jan 15, 24 4:00 pm
This industry really follows you. I was at a cafe this weekend enjoying myself and a couple next to me were talking about work and one of them crying their eyes out about how much they hate work. Surprise, surprise she was an architect. I go home and log into my city subreddit and the first post is a suicide and the girl was another architect stressed out.
sameolddoctor
Jan 15, 24 5:13 pm
Yeah you need to quit. My workplace sucks ass too but perhaps only 10% of what you are describing...so quit and find something else
Volunteer
Jan 16, 24 1:13 pm
One architecture firm (I think it is in Bozeman, Montana) frequently receives 'Best Places to Work' awards, so the common massive stress often described here is not necessarily baked in the job.
I would consider giving notice. Give them two or four weeks of notice and tell them you would be available part-time after that if more time is needed to hand off projects. (Don't run up more than a week's wages without getting paid).
Write a polite letter without outright lying: "I have enjoyed working with the people here and have learned a lot.. ect, ect, ect. I wish everyone at the firm continued success ect. ect.."
I think the stress problem may be related to the workload never relaxing. After you finish a project working at 110% everyone needs a few days of very light duty to recover. No one can jump right back in the next day to a mad pace.l
Just my 2 cents.
Chad Miller
Jan 16, 24 1:19 pm
I would go one step further.
Some firms expect their team members to have nearly a 100% utilization ratio (amount of time you can bill out your work). That is not possible or sustainable. In my experience any utilization ratio of over 90% isn't sustainable for more than a couple of months without burnout. Realistically you want your utilization ratio to be around 85%.
Ever feel like you've only been doing 40 hours a week but you're just burnt out? That's why.
Everyday Architect
Jan 18, 24 1:28 pm
I've worked at a firm as essentially a production drafter where I was expected to be at 95% utilization. That works out to only 2 hours per week of non-billable time on a normal 40 hour work week. One of those hours was a weekly staff meeting. The other was usually a lunch-and-learn. It was doable for me, but it was stupid and led to burn out pretty quickly. It didn't help the burnout that I also worked a lot of overtime because I was getting paid time and a half for it, but that did help the numbers work out better in terms of utilization.
Wilma Buttfit
Jan 18, 24 9:46 am
Now I’m getting ads for 24 week cyber security programs. Entry level pay looks pretty good. I might do it. Architecture was once the most interesting thing but now seems so boring. Like I beat all the levels and need a new game now.
Josh Mings
Jan 18, 24 12:13 pm
Maybe that's why I went out on my own - to up the difficulty level!
Chad Miller
Jan 18, 24 12:15 pm
I wish I could beat all the levels on any part of my life. It must be nice. Why do I only choose things that are too challenging? ;)
Donna Sink
Jan 18, 24 3:11 pm
I just left our 35 story office building to head to a meeting. We’re having some work done on the roof and as I walked through the lobby I saw a guy coming toward me wearing what I thought was rigging gear. I smiled and nodded at him - as I typically do when I see construction workers - but as he got closer I realized he was tricked out in gun and ammo gear, wearing all black. I smiled and said “Be safe out there” which was what I was planning to say to the laborer. He looked sheepish. Now I’m sure he thinks I was laughing at him.
TL;DR: I just embarrassed an ammosexual.
Non Sequitur
Jan 18, 24 3:14 pm
and this is why we're building a wall. It may be made of maple syrup, hockey sticks and hugs, but it's a wall nonetheless. It'll certainly keep fools like this out of our snow banks.
proto
Jan 18, 24 4:18 pm
he deserves to feel some embarrassment for parading around like that, if not actually stopped for questioning by the police for entering a major public space fully strapped (which quite frankly seems a valid response too)
sameolddoctor
Jan 18, 24 6:18 pm
'Murica ... F Yeah
Chad Miller
Jan 18, 24 7:09 pm
Open carry is stupid. If you do it you're stupid.
Non Sequitur
Jan 18, 24 10:26 pm
why stop at open?
Chad Miller
Jan 19, 24 10:00 am
Cuz 'Murica and 'da 2nd aMendmit ShaLl nIt be inFridged'
Josh Mings
Jan 19, 24 12:28 pm
Took my dad to a Steak n Shake in Indy a few months ago. I asked someone who was open-carrying if they feared a Frisco Melt. The look on that person's face...
proto
Jan 19, 24 1:18 pm
Reporting in from the Portland, OR, cold spell & now ice storm: still just awful. We've been in & out of power/internet since Saturday. All sorts of large trees failing (like 100' firs uprooting and tipping over). We're managing to keep warm and don't have a tree through our roof...yet. Last night, we had a brief scare with fire when a tree broke power lines up the street. Roads were dangerously glazed yesterday & again today. Tomorrow it's supposed to properly warm up. I keep having to remember that doesn't necessarily correlate with power/internet coming back...
Donna Sink
Jan 19, 24 6:21 pm
Gosh, hang in there proto! Sounds scary.
proto
Jan 22, 24 2:51 pm
and we're back at it...lessons in resiliency for everyone involved! :)
Chad Miller
Jan 19, 24 2:01 pm
Well it's time to get out of the office and get some cc skiing done in the mountains. See you all on Monday. Ok, I'll be in on Sunday but don't tell anyone. Silly deadline.
JLC-1
Jan 19, 24 3:14 pm
keep an eye on the avalanches, temps rising this wknd.
Non Sequitur
Jan 19, 24 4:22 pm
Is that why all those cc skies open-carry sleek rifles? To protect themselves against roaming avalanche gangs?
Chad Miller
Jan 20, 24 4:28 pm
No avalanche danger where I was at. I would just use my ski poles to fight off avalanches. ;)
I did need to carry out an older woman who twisted her knee. Her friends couldn't carry her so we rigged up a litter with some cord and her skis. I got to pull her out 1.5 miles to the trailhead. Good thing the entire way was only slightly down hill. :s
Now to get back to this fire station project due in two weeks. :(
Chad Miller
Jan 21, 24 12:32 pm
Back in the office working on a fire station project. Uhg. I want to be at home with the partner and dog. A month of 50+ hour weeks is really getting to me.
archanonymous
Jan 21, 24 7:19 pm
Fire station sounds fun!
citizen
Jan 21, 24 7:25 pm
I hope there's a fireperson's pole involved, or is that a thing of the past?
Everyday Architect
Jan 22, 24 2:29 pm
From my research into fire station design back in undergrad ... they are a thing of the past. Too many injuries and I think they've found that wide staircases (enough for two abreast) are able to convey more fire fighters down a level faster than a pole with less injuries.
Chad Miller
Jan 22, 24 2:34 pm
As EA said - poles really aren't used due to injuries. Not from falling but from landing atop a person who's at the bottom of the pole. Wide stairs - or slides are used now. Yes, slides. Weeeeeee!
JLC-1
Jan 22, 24 2:40 pm
is this the CB fire station that was delayed for 3 years and now they want it all by yesterday?
Everyday Architect
Jan 22, 24 2:40 pm
Careful on the slides. Don't let cops near them.
citizen
Jan 22, 24 3:03 pm
So much for that "very faithful" 3S reboot I'd been hoping for.
Donna Sink
Jan 22, 24 3:21 pm
Everyday, I LOVE that video! I could not stop laughing when it first came out. WTH did he do to end up moving so fast?! and the clattering, my god, the clattering!!!
Chad Miller
Jan 22, 24 3:56 pm
JLC-1 wrote
"is this the CB fire station that was delayed for 3 years and now they want it all by yesterday?"
Yup.
citizen
Jan 22, 24 4:02 pm
Have they had a fire in that three years? If not, maybe the real money-saver here is to scuttle the new station and instead publicize and post: "Whatever y'all have been doing or not doing, keep it up!" (And then a big thumbs-up graphic, obviously.)
Chad Miller
Jan 22, 24 4:18 pm
Naw. They need a new fire station and search and rescue. Their current 'building' can't really be called a building and has almost fallen down. Also, they house all EMS so . . .
archiwutm8
Jan 23, 24 4:56 am
Sounds like a fun project at least!
Chad Miller
Jan 23, 24 11:07 am
It's an interesting project.
axonapoplectic
Jan 22, 24 3:59 pm
I’ve worked on fire stations and am still familiar with this project type. They definitely still use poles - a lot of places prefer them - especially if space is at a premium. No one likes the corkscrew slides, and there’s growing concern over stair injuries.
Chad Miller
Jan 22, 24 4:01 pm
Straight slides.
citizen
Jan 22, 24 4:06 pm
That news makes me happy.
Josh Mings
Jan 23, 24 12:29 pm
It seems weird that stations would make stairs the quick way to get down to the bay. It appears to be a one-way ticket to a workers comp claim.
Chad Miller
Jan 23, 24 12:42 pm
You'd think that.
However they've found that as long as the sleeping quarters on on the same floor as the bays it's fine.
Ironically poles cause more injuries than stairs. The issue is that if a firefighter forgets call out that they're clear from the pole base, or the firefighter at the top doesn't listen for the 'clear' then the two collide. This typically is a 175 persons feet slamming into the top of someone's head.
Then there is the requirement to protect the top of the pole opening from people. It basically needs to be in a separate room to keep people from accidentally falling through the floor opening.
Everyday Architect
Jan 23, 24 1:04 pm
My groundbreaking architectural idea in undergrad was to accommodate the fighters all trying to get to the bay at the same time from their sleeping quarters by widening the corridor from the sleeping quarters to the bay a little bit more at each door. Basically meant each person leaving their sleeping quarter had their own lane* to travel to the bays. It was a hit with the critics, but made for an inefficient building layout otherwise.
*I never defined "lanes" for them to travel in and it was a loose concept. The amount the corridor widened wouldn't have accommodated the width of someone anyway so their own "lane" wasn't really the point. It was more about having the room to navigate potential collision points in the corridor with others exiting their sleeping quarters.
Feel free to steal the idea for your project(s) ... YMMV.
gwharton
Jan 23, 24 1:14 pm
Why not just have their beds automatically drop them through the floor into their seats on the truck as soon as the alarm sounds? ;-) Fire and forget, baby!
citizen
Jan 23, 24 1:23 pm
I like that thinking, gw. That's better than my idea of parking the fire trucks upstairs next to the sleeping quarters.
Chad Miller
Jan 23, 24 1:54 pm
The money saving option would be to have the bunks just fold down from the apparatus bay walls. When the alarm goes off the swing down.
Everyday Architect
Jan 23, 24 1:56 pm
Maybe give them a 5-10 second delay before swinging down. Just to be nice
axonapoplectic
Jan 23, 24 5:56 pm
There are poles with integrated trap doors that stay open for a few seconds before automatically closing. If it’s open a fire fighter coming down will know someone just went down.
Chad Miller
Jan 23, 24 6:00 pm
Correct. If you have more money than space then poles can be a great option. Also when kids come to visit they all want to slide down the pole!
atelier nobody
Jan 23, 24 6:08 pm
Why don't they just make the trucks themselves a little bigger and add submarine racks? Eliminate the need for crew quarters altogether.
Chad Miller
Jan 23, 24 6:09 pm
They still need a place to eat and work out. ;)
Everyday Architect
Jan 24, 24 1:42 pm
I know we're joking around, but more seriously, fire departments need to make their apparatus smaller, not larger. I'd love to know how many "road diets" get shelved just because of fire trucks.
Chad Miller
Jan 24, 24 1:52 pm
I don't do a lot of fire / EMS work. The few projects I've done the trucks do seem to be getting smaller. Of course the need for ladder trucks in some areas don't allow this.
Everyday Architect
Jan 23, 24 1:48 pm
Copied the following from a social media post I saw elsewhere. Thought I'd share here as well. Not sure how many of us are looking at AD on a daily basis.
Friendly reminder that Condé Nast workers are on strike until midnight EST tonight. Don't click on or share links from Condé Nast pubs! This includes
Lol architectural digest. Lamest architecture media outlet imaginable.
b3tadine[sutures]
Jan 24, 24 11:19 am
Digest is infinitely better than Record. At least I get to see lush gardens and interiors.
Chad Miller
Jan 24, 24 11:28 am
Are you all taking about those magazines I keep getting but never subscribed to? I use 'em as placemats when gluing models. You mean I could of been readin' 'em?!
Josh Mings
Jan 24, 24 11:53 am
The general public doesn't know just how horrible the mainstream architecture magazines are in comparison to the overseas ones. Although, kind of true of architecture in general.
flatroof
Jan 24, 24 3:22 pm
I got to move into a higher-paying career to afford an El Croquis subscription.
Volunteer
Jan 24, 24 3:33 pm
I find some of the modern houses that AD presents are very intriguing as are the interiors. The photography is always superb,
citizen
Jan 24, 24 4:09 pm
My biggest beouf is AD's steadfast, strict, frustrating ban on floor plans. My hunch is that it stems from concerns about privacy and security ("What? Madonna's kids' rooms are right next door to her sex dungeon?"). But this structural gap relegates "Architectural" in the title to fashion rather than description.
midlander
Jan 26, 24 7:37 am
even many proper architectural publications abstract them into near uselessness, unfortunately...
citizen
Jan 26, 24 3:40 pm
^ Yes, this!
I want a deliciously drawn floor plan of graded line weights and broken lines illustrating wall thicknesses (poche' anyone?), windows, doors, fixtures, finishes, etcetera, etcetera. Even a basic plan that's scaled correctly and reasonably detailed is fine. But a reductive, non-scaled line diagram that looks like an electrical schematic is the absolute worst.
This issue highlights the larger divide between architectural training, custom & practice versus whatever the hell else is out there, driven by (not all, but many) developers. Also, dare I be Grandpa Simpson yelling at clouds, some is borne of digital over digits-- computing vs. hand drawing.
There. Now for some Metamucil (much more complex than regular mucil.)
citizen
Jan 26, 24 5:18 pm
On second thought, worse than the development industry are the publisher/ media complex's shortcomings here. Images of flashy renderings are so easy to find and include. Harder to provide are plans, sections and elevations, even here on Archinect. When an editor or author goes to this trouble, the results are far better, and come much closer to "architectural" journalism.
I am starting a new thread that is about other threads. You can talk about other discussions taking a place in Archinect and make cross references to a particular link, picture, response and whatever else you deem necessary or entertaining or thought provoking about the other thread. thus the name: Thread Central
here are some examples of comments that comes to mind:
* hey did you read on --------- thread ------- thinks frank gehry is good. hahahaharhar..
or,
*i can't believe he said that. how stupid of him. asshole.on top of it he is got hundreds of posts. gimme a break.
or,
* this is the best thread.. fuck the others..
or,
*****Thread Alert******
read the -----thread yet??? there is a dog fight going on between ----- and-----.it is about gondolas and pollution in Venice..see you there.
or,
* yeaah, i don't read that thread either. its kind a boring.
or,
*i am thinking about starting a discussion about ------------- ---- ---- will you guys in Thread Central post in it and say wow it a great thread?. it was about time 'somebody' (insert my name please) picked up on it.. and discuss it?
like whatever..
I have to say, that the lack of discussion around the outright slaughter of Palestinians, erasure of their communities and culture on the site is pretty remarkable.
Call it what you want; ethnic cleansing, apartheid, or genocide, this is beyond criminal.
I've read all manner of bullshit, be it there was a ceasefire on October 6th, to return hostages, to we were here first.
All of it, nonsense.
There's only one solution; one state, a pluralistic democracy, where all religions have access to the holy sites. No more racist theocratic ethnostate, anywhere. Anything else is a half measure.
"From the river to the sea."
#freepalestine
My preference is for no state, rather than 1. I don't see a state as being a solution to the problem of genocide or ethnic cleansing. Meanwhile the lack of discussion is heavily due to the full media support of Israel's crimes in nearly (if not) all western countries. Statecraft breeds colonialism breeds genocide. The United States directly contributes to the mass deaths of Palestinians, and the erasure and enslavement of Middle Eastern people, and are as complicit in genocide as Israel itself.
I don't post about 99.999999% of the people being killed in the world today. Doesn't mean I don't care. Instead I try to actually do something about keeping the 0.000001% of people that I can do something about from being killed.
Israel is the client state of US, and the US and Great Britain are responsible for this zionist project. However, we're not at a place in history, yet, where "no state" is possible. At the very least a pluralistic democracy gives voice to Palestinians living in an open air prison.
Caring? We're past that binary choice, as Americans we owe an obligation to people our government has murdered in order to protect us from the "baddies". If we're going to stay operating in our own self interests, how can we talk shit about any architects building NEOM, or in any other "objectionable" place?
Also, this is not a critique of "you" because these views are not just held by "you" or me, they're espoused by most. This is just me trying to provoke a discussion that is inherently about our relationship with culture, architecture and humanity.
Talking about an issue is a great way to understand it and possibly make it better. Do you really think having a discussion about this will have any impact on this though?
I'm 45 years old. I can't remember a time when the Israeli / Palestine conflict wasn't going on.
For various reasons the US will NEVER stop supporting Israel. The only way then to stop this conflict would be to get rid of religion and communism. That's also NEVER going to happen.
Good luck figuring this out.
We can only have an impact if we choose to have one.
I don't find indifference tenable. We all stood up for George Floyd, against Trump, for masks.
Hamas (funded by Iran) attacking a bunch of innocent Israelis that are currently under rule by a right wing government is going to produce an outsized response. I also do not like what Israeli settlers are doing to Palestinians in the West Bank, but I think this current situation is murky - bad actors and a lot of propaganda on both sides, innocents caught in the middle.
It feels like Hamas poked a hornets nest and are now using the media to blast how horrible hornets are.
Since I life in the middle of the frozen north's capital city... I have to daily check the protest schedules to see how my day will get affected. So far it's just been a guerrilla war between the pro and against poster people sticking messages over the other groups' messages but it's all I see everyday once I leave my downtown office's front door. Not helpful... nor is it a solution, but it is draining knowing that some people's invisible sky daddy fantasies lead them to be shitty people.
My friends in political science and intelligence have it far rougher than me. I do my best to make their days better with beer and good company.
Thanks for posting this Beta. I wanted to but who knows what is suitable grounds to get canceled these days..
Biden has proven to be more than a dud - he is a demonic, genocidal maniac. Even WH staffers are claiming that Israel has gone too far with their war (ie Genocide), but the Old Hawk stands with them "no matter what". What could have been laughable is the 8Bn $ in tax relief, whilst we sent 14 Bn$ to Israel (so they could buy more weapons from us)
Before this "war" I thought there were bad actors on both sides, but looking at what is transpiring, and educating myself a bit more, the actual perpetrators are indeed the United States and Israel.
A couple of thoughts, there's this idea that Hamas "broke" a ceasefire. A laughable idea on multiple fronts. But here's a little piece of how the parties in the region, and in particular Israel has treated civilians. Additionally here's Netanyahu's connection to Hamas.
b3tadine[sutures] wrote:
"We can only have an impact if we choose to have one.
I don't find indifference tenable. We all stood up for George Floyd, against Trump, for masks."
No we didn't. Not everyone. In fact about 40% of US citizens fought against anything being done about those things. That's irrelevant though. Since we need to do soothing what should we do?
Remember - talking about something and not doing anything about it is worse than being indifferent.
Speaking of getting canceled for saying anti-Israel, here we go:
https://www.bbc.com/news/enter...
Architecture Lobby, get engaged, Sign This. See this.
This isn't a popular opinion but I say let them keep fighting each other and let them figure it out themselves.
It's been what 50 years of trying to stop the fighting. Nothing has worked and nothing will.
You literally have two opposing sides that think their god demands that they keep fighting in order to possess the land to bring about the end of world and the return of god to the planet. You're not going to reason with this level of delusion.
The 'best' case senecio is that they kill each other off and that stops the fighting from continuing for another 100 years.
If sides were equal, if it was two states, if it wasn't so damned asymmetrical, sure, OK, but this colonialist state is the 4th strongest military in the world, propped up by the largest, and it's taking pleasure in murdering civilians.
I'm trying hard, very hard to maintain something in very short supply; hope. I've been terribly angry, angry that Gen X completely forgot the lessons of 9/11, terribly sad, distraught to hear the story of a mother wanting to breastfeed her murdered infant, recently pulled out of the rubble, because she was sure her baby was hungry.
So?
The only lesson from 9/11 is that religious zealots are bad, hate creates hate, and you can't reason with fundamentalist who begive they are doing the right thing.
sameold, I'm currently listening to The Hundred Years' War On Palestine.
That last part is not true. Israel gets 4 billion a year, just from you and me, have received $318 billion since 1946. Gaza, has received $4.5 bn in 6 years, all from the UN, and almost none goes to the military. Hamas uses rockets powered by sugar and potassium nitrate, Israel has the Iron Dome, cruise missiles and nuclear weapons, AND US carrier groups in the Mediterranean.
Yet the war has been going on for how long? Doesn't matter. Nether side has 'in the right' or ' has a moral high ground' in this fight. Nether side deserves our support or pity. Governments only support a certain side because it benefits them.
Palestinians that have been dispossesed of their land, homes, identity, culture and history, but settler-colonialism, have all of my respect, support and empathy.
Chad, yes both may be religious zealots and in the end, Religion may be the critical problem with al of this, but the fact is that Palestinian lands were stolen, and they have lived in fear and subjugation from 1948. There comes a point when the pressure cooker can not take it anymore.
Bur you are right, both groups need to work WITH each other to create an equitable situation. Something I do not see happening when one side is pounding the other with US made bombs.
Both sides are guilty of atrocities and murder. You're not going to change my mind and make one side out better than the other. Period.
b3tadine[sutures]
"Palestinians that have been dispossesed of their land, homes, identity, culture and history, but settler-colonialism, have all of my respect, support and empathy. "
There are thousands of groups like this.
I have to say, that the lack of discussion around the outright slaughter of these groups, erasure of their communities and culture on the site is pretty remarkable.
Call it what you want; ethnic cleansing, apartheid, or genocide, this is beyond criminal.
There's only one solution; one state, a pluralistic democracy, where all religions have access to the holy sites. No more racist theocratic ethnostate, anywhere. Anything else is a half measure.
Indigenous tribes - by whatever means necessary - fought against settlers in Minnesota and elsewhere, was that an atrocity? The UN Charter says otherwise, at least when it comes to fights against occupying powers.
Should civilians, and over 50% are children, get murdered indiscriminately?
Yes. It was also an atrocity how their lands were taken and their culture destroyed. Where is your outrage over this?
I'm outraged. I'm outraged at what our ancestors did in the past, and Land Back shouldn't be a slogan. If indigenous peoples want land back, give it back. If they want more, give more. Honor treaties. But, indigenous aren't telling me to go home. Also, unless you have a plan to raise the dead, I don't know what more you want. The difference, and the biggest I can conceive, right now, is that THIS IS OCCURRING NOW. #ceasefirenow
Am I to understand that you don't feel that people have a right to protect their homes? By Any Means Necessary??
Lastly, indigenous people here, have representation, have a voice.
"For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state."
Chad, sorry for the personal assault but what you have said here is extremely stupid, and frankly dangerous :
"This isn't a popular opinion but I say let them keep fighting each other and let them figure it out themselves. "
You know "them fighting against each other" just constitutes more bloodshed directed towards innocent victims, when the actual decision makers are old men sitting in the comfort of their surroundings.
Secondly as far as Native Lands being appropriated, if that was happening right now, i would be as mad as I am for the Palestinian cause.
Chad Miller wrote: "Both sides are guilty of atrocities and murder. You're not going to change my mind and make one side out better than the other. Period."
The fact is that in nearly every single metric, Palestinians have suffered casualties far greater than even the number of injured Israelis, spanning decades. October 7th was an outlier, wherein Hamas' push into the occupied territory resulted in higher Israeli casualties.
Furthermore, you're talking about a fight between an extraordinarily funded military state, whose adult citizens are majority active or reserve duty in the IDF; versus a coalition of orphans from decades of slaughter and ethnic cleansing, whose primary arsenal consists of homemade weaponry and rag-tag militia organization, stemming from the fact that Palestine has been under the occupation of Israel for 70 years, and was heavily occupied by Egyptian forces before that. To suggest that this genocide is somehow an equal fight between two terrible groups stretches the truth to absurdity.
How about instead of claiming "b-b-but both sides are bad!", you just admit you don't know what you're talking about and get educated on the subject instead of doing active zionist apologia.
Both sides have behaved badly. Israel has behaved far worse, for far longer. And it has nothing to do with religion; that's a distraction. It's all about their right-wing government.
Wood Guy, we should also apportion a fair share of Israel's wat machine to the unbridled support by the US.
Listen, I'm not trying to create enmity here, if I thought that there weren't enough people here to have a reasonable conversation, I would just keep this to dunking on the genocidal asshats on @threads, and IG. I learned from some friends that are Bahá’, that our views are not us as individuals, they are independent of us, and we should separate them. I'm trying, but man, it's not easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOJqLTc6RkU A useful primer to understand the construct of the problem.
i guess y'all are really doing this then.
Sameold, absolutely, our hands are not clean. Not just support but seemingly encouragement, while simultaneously scolding Netanyahu and his government.
sameolddoctor wrote:
"Chad, sorry for the personal assault but what you have said here is extremely stupid, and frankly dangerous : "This isn't a popular opinion but I say let them keep fighting each other and let them figure it out themselves. " You know "them fighting against each other" just constitutes more bloodshed directed towards innocent victims, when the actual decision makers are old men sitting in the comfort of their surroundings. "
Secondly as far as Native Lands being appropriated, if that was happening right now, i would be as mad as I am for the Palestinian cause.
That's the point.
Sorry but my comment was a bit of an experiment to is if anyone would bring up the non combatants who are dying.
This war really only hurts the non combatants. People that are only arguing that one side is more right, justified, or well sponsored than the other are missing the entire issue with this war.
Only the innocent are dying. Both sides are responsible for this. Both sides are wrong. Posting about it enormously online isn't changing anything.
Chad Miller, circa 1870s, when asked about the Great Sioux War: "This isn't a popular opinion but I say let them keep fighting each other and let them figure it out themselves. People trying to say that one side is more right or justified than the other are being obtuse."
I know it's hard to pick a side between colonizers and those fighting for their freedom, but have a little gumption, jeez.
See my response to sameolddoctor. Everyone here seems to be only focusing on which side is more 'right'
Both sides are wrong and they're killing innocent people.
Jovan Millet wrote:
"How about instead of claiming "b-b-but both sides are bad!", you just admit you don't know what you're talking about and get educated on the subject instead of doing active zionist apologia."
I know more about this than most people. It' why I have my view that both sides are abhorrent murders. I don't care about either sides view, religion, or politics. I don't care which side wins. Both sides are murdering innocent civilians (their own people and their perceived 'enemy). Both sides need to stop or be made to stop.
I'm disgusted that the US in involved in this.
I'm disgusted that this war is used for political gain.
If you think that because I don't support a side of this war then I'm a bad person then you've never been in war.
The October 7th attack didn't kill "innocent people" in the way that you have in mind. The reality of that event was that a music festival was organized in the midst of ethnic cleansing in the area, the site for the festival was land on which Palestinian people previously (in the recent past) lived, until they were forcibly removed by IDF soldiers, and then the festival was set up with armed military checkpoints to make sure that Palestinian people were denied entry to the area.
Couple this with the fact that the vast majority of attendees were active participants in colonial ethnic cleansing by being active or reserve duty IDF, or by literally taking over the homes of previous (Palestinian) occupants.
Painting this as an attack on "innocent civilians" would be laughable, if it weren't so insidious.
Not to mention, as you've acknowledged, active violence against Palestinian people is not new. It didn't start with October 7th. There wasn't any sort of ceasefire which was disrespected. This was an armed response by Palestinians to the hostile and violent removal of Palestinian people for a for-profit music festival.
Since you refuse to take any sort of active stance between the side of the oppressor and oppressed here, I'll take mine: I refuse to condemn Hamas or any other Palestinian resistance group for the way they choose to fight their battles against their abusers. As I am not a Palestinian living in Gaza, I have no place finger wagging about morals in their struggle to not be blown into pink mist by Israeli bombs.
I never said anything about the recent attack.
I said that the majority of the people who have died in the 'war' have been innocent civilians. Notice I never mentioned which side the dead innocent civilians were on or who they were killed by. Also notice I never condoned either sides actions. I think both sides are vicious cunts who kill people (the other side and their own people).
That is what bothers me about this 'discussion'. It's just a bunch of people trying to say which side is justified. No one is recognizing that the actions both sides should be justified and and condoned at the same time. That's the issue with this 'war'.
You literally just said above "Both sides are murdering innocent civilians", and that both sides need to be stopped. You're fence sitting, and now you're trying to make it look like you're not actively condemning those who are actively facing genocide. I'd guess you also condemned those protesting George Floyd's death in 2020 as "needing to be stopped"?
That's because both sides have murdered innocent civilians. Maybe I should of added 'throughout the last 60 years of this war'
You're reaching here with your comments. You don't like that I won't support a side of this 'war'. Tough.
You just want to know who's on what side and not do anything about actually stopping both sides from killing people.
The problem with the "both sides" argument is that it presumes proportionality, where none exists. The Palestinians tried peaceful protesting in The March of The Return, 32 Palestinians were murdered, another 200 or so were shot. I'm against the murder of civilians, but I also recognize the sovereign right of a person's will to live, even if they are placed in a concentration camp, had their diet restricted to what is survivable, cut off their water and electricity, and have had the freedom of movement restricted, so much so, that even if they were granted - imagine being a person, one that has not committed a crime - granted the right to travel out of Gaza, then has no right to return to Gaza. Imagine living in the West Bank, where PLO/Fatah are the "government" not Hamas, and have to deal with the settler displacement, beatings, and murders by the same. Imagine not having a voice to do anything, imagine the poverty, the disease, the hopelessness, the indignity.
Sit with that agonizing reality, and you know what, even thinking about it, we still won't have a sense of what that is like, we never will. So, yeah, even if I could fathom that reality, I might be attacking those who get to enjoy the things they do, while I toil in the hell of this experience that only Kafka could touch; yet I committed no crime.
Am I an evil person, because I cling to my god, the meager possessions I have, and my struggle to breathe.
No one in this country would ever settle for that level of indignity, ever. We Revolutioned the British for a million times less. Taxes. Representation. Religious freedom.
Oh, wait, maybe they are us, and we forgot what it was like.
The Balfour Declaration, what Orhan cited, goes back over 100 years, but this has its seeds in the latter part of the 19th century.
Chad, also understand that as a direct result of the Israeli occupation and extreme stronghold on Gaza, the amount of unemployment and hopelessness is extreme. Add to it the daily ridicule the Palestinians face from settlers (mostly American), it is a powder keg that will keep igniting again and again. The fault the Palestinians bear is that they are indeed, human.
Regarding the issue of occupation, imagine if a broheim from Brooklyn comes and occupies part of your house, and regularly ridicules you and slowly takes over your place...not sure youd be as sympathetic
^ Add to that, if the Brooklyn guy also murders your family when they come over to your place to help you kick the guy out because he's clearly stealing your house, then the NYT publishes a story talking about how your family are terrorists for standing up to that guy.
Chad: The idea that, as an American living in America, working a middle class job, my only two options here are to — what, fly to the middle east and join a Palestinian resistance group — or just sit here and say "well I'm not literally stopping bloodshed so I guess I'll stay neutral because it's not my fight"... that idea is absurd. I know what my ethics are, and they include supporting the side of human liberation from tyranny. I make buttons and zines detailing the atrocities being committed against Palestinians right now and for decades in the past. I stay involved with the news and call out Islamophobia, anti-semitism, and zionist apologia when and where I see it. I publicly and specifically support Palestinian resistance through my words in person and on the internet.
What else would you have me do as an American citizen living in the US? Your disagreement seems like if I don't actively go fight against IDF in Gaza, then anything else I do is pointless, and I don't think that's a reasonable response when faced with active genocide.
That's not what I said Jovan.
Furthermore, my comment was that posting about the war online and publicly supporting one side isn't going to solve anything.
Okay but what are the "so many horrible things" that Hamas has done that hasn't been done by any other revolutionary group? I ask because a lot of the stuff that gets published in western newspapers about Hamas is verifiable made-up propaganda by Zionist sources.
Targeting non combatants. Just because it's been done before doesn't justify that it should be done again. You can keep posting in an attempt to justify your views. Just know you're not going to change my mind on this.
Goodbye.
Anyone here ever use a digital pen pad like this one from Wacom
https://estore.wacom.com/en-us...
I'm wondering how you liked it?
I'm thinking of using it for digital sketching, redlines, and such. I'm sure about the disconnect from drawing on surface detached from the screen.
Thoughts?
If you are fine with the tablet interface (drawing on one surface while looking at another), the Intuos tablets are about as good as they get. They are definitely a lot easier to use for computer drawing than a mouse. However, having switched over from a table to a screen, I won't ever go back. I know they are a bit more expensive, but worth it in my opinion.
I've never used a tablet interface (drawing on one surface while looking at another). I'd love to get a tablet however I wat one at least as big as my computer screen (24" x 14.5"). Those types of tablet are around $2,500 vs the $500 for the tablet interface. :(
I had a Cintiq at an old office, which I really liked. But it was big and kind of clunky to work with. I later switched over to a Surface Pro tablet, which has a high-resolution pen-screen interface like the Cintiq, but is also a stand-alone windows computer (as opposed to an iPad, which is just a tablet and won't run real software). It will run Bluebeam and sketching programs just fine. It even runs Sketchup and Autocad reasonably well. The newer ones are even more powerful, and the prices are roughly equivalent to a Cintiq. You can't really use a Surface as a pen tablet for a desktop computer, but if it works as its own computer, do you really need to? I found that I didn't.
I've heard good things about the Surface Pro. I think I'm looking for something that can act as a large format digital sketch pad / trace paper. I'd want something at least 18" x 24"
for digital art i tried using a wacom tablet but never really got a feel for it; the screen surface disconnect was insurmountable. i absolutely love using an ipad pro though. for design work it essentially follows the same workflow as printing and tracing, just digitally. the lack of software compatibility hasn't mattered for me since i'm just sketching on jpgs.
mid - thanks for you opinion on this. That disconnect is what I'm worried about. I'll have to make a trip to a larger metro area and see if I can try one out. I'd love to have a 'draw on' screen that I could connect to my computer that was in the 24 x 36 size. I don't think a smaller tablet (iPad) would work for me. I'd need something at least 18 x24 to be able to do much. I know, weird.
i really was skeptical about the ipad too and took a while to adjust (a year, but art is my hobby so not the priority), but with the right app it's very natural. procreate is very comfortable for sketching.
How well will the iPad play with PC's though?
if the workflow is sketching on jpg images, no problem. more than that i've never needed to try.
FWIW, if you're still looking - I had a cheap dummy Bamboo tablet back in undergrad, and the "disconnect" wasn't much of an issue after a little warmup, because you can always see the cursor moving around onscreen - same as you don't really notice moving a mouse. It did get a little annoying having the smallest size, since you have to decide on either low-resolution control that's mapped to the whole monitor, or a "pick and place" that's more akin to when you run out of mousepad and have to do the little bunny-hop move.
The screen on i.e. ipad/high end wacom is nice, but the screenless ones are bulletproof
umm, all that business above needs to live in the Politics forum & particularly not in Thread Central
it's not that hard to guess how it's gonna play out -- just start it up in the right place is all i'm saying
I debated where this should go as a topic, and I came down on the side of an ongoing genocide is not political; there are no "two sides", for me.
Label it as you please over in the politics forum
Nah.
There are two sides attempting genocide and terrorist attacks against non combatants. The fact that people disagree on this is why it should go int he political forum.
I agree, though I contributed to the mess above.
It's not a mess, there was no yelling, no ad hominem attacks, it was disagreeing without being disagreeable.
Except for the part were a user called those that disagreed with them names . . . .
Let's keep taking about "both sides to blame" etc etc, even when one side is to blame way more. But this makes things much clearer. The party to take the biggest blame here is as always, the US. We like to flatten countries for oil.
U.S. to Push Israel on Allowing Gaza Offshore Gas Reserves to Revitalize Palestinian Economy
Oh right now Israel is being a giant murdering bastard. Right before that it was Hamas. It's like each side doesn't seem to care that when they f-around their civilians find out. Very odd.
can the BGH push this shit to the right place? Thread Central isn't the place...ffs, people
Chad, you are right, but Hamas isnt as big a murdering bastard as Israel. Just the amount of CHILDREN killed by Israel killed in the last 4 days is more than what Hamas has done in over 50 years.
As for moving the thread, sure it can be done but probably a mild inconvenience is not a big deal?
That's horrible. I don't care if Hamas isn't as big of a murdering bastard as Israel. They're still murdering bastards who are trying to kill as many people as possible regales if they're combatants. Both need to be stopped.
Not sure if he still is, but at one point Ken was a moderator on the site and knows better. It seems despite that he has chosen to post here to make a statement that genocide is not political based on a spurious definition that political things are two-sided and there are not two sides to genocide. Genocide may not deserve consideration of two sides, but the discussion is certainly political and there is a better place for it. I don't care that the discussion is happening, but I agree it doesn't belong in TC.
I'm not sure if Ken's (current/former) status give him prerogative to disregard the customs and culture of the forums without repercussions. If my memory is correct, people that have insisted on flooding TC with political content usually end up banned from this thread. I'm not saying it has gotten to that point here, but I think some moderation is deserved.
Sure, move it - it is just clear that the inconvenient truth is, well, too inconvenient to some.
It's not inconvenient - genocide is horrible and should be stopped. Odd that some think that the only way to stop the genocide of their side is to commit genocide on another.
It has nothing do to with whether the inconvenient truth is too inconvenient for some. The inconvenient truth can still be inconvenient in another thread that keeps popping to the top of the page.
It's about allowing people to set boundaries and expecting others to follow them when it comes to online discourse. If you choose to engage in the discussion ... you can. If you choose to avoid it for whatever reason ... you can. If the normal boundaries of the forum and keeping threads on topic aren't followed the only alternative for boundary maintenance is to log off.
And that's a choice too, but it's probably not one the BGH would want to force on their users if they want to maintain some semblance of order for the sake of their advertisers and their larger goals with the site.
According to the Convention, genocide is a crime that can take place both in time of war as well as in time of peace. The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part. It does not include political groups or so called “cultural genocide”. This definition was the result of a negotiating process and reflects the compromise reached among United Nations Member States while drafting the Convention in 1948.
What Hamas has done, does not fall under the terms set by the UN. Nor does Israel as an occupier have the right to self defense.
With that I am done.
Thanks Ken
I’m not sure why I didn’t do it before, but this place is better with Balkins and Jawknee ignored.
I just called the gym for their hours on Thanksgiving Day. "Twenty-Four Hour Fitness... you're talkin' to Bobby."
THAT is my new go-to greeting. "Thread Central here... Citizen's at the keyboard. What can I do ya for?"
I hope everyone is getting ready for some time off with friends, family or deserved alone time, as is fitting to your own sitch
deep breath...let the shoulders fall...out & away...deep breath
me, i'm going to get outside & enjoy the sounds of the trees
happy thanksgiving, y'all
Happy thanksgiving to you all Americans (I never understood the significance of it) Do you all form unions and strive for better pay, holidays etc as you sit around the Turkey?
No. We don't. We do American things, looks genociding indigenous people.
People, don't forget, that it is "Happy Türkiye Day" now.!
I just started a new job about 3 weeks ago. Previously I was at a rather intense, fast paced design firm (about 350 people). Now I'm at a smaller firm (100 or so people). The only reason I am able to type any of this is because I finished everything they've given me. I'm bored, like there's space in my brain to feel bored, space that would normally be consumed by intense project work. I fear that my senses will dull here and when I leave will I still be able to keep up at another busier firm? There are other flaws with this place, but that's another topic for another time. Anyone have any tips/ relevant thread suggestions?
It is possible that your new firm is easing you into things so that you can assimilate to the new firm?
Have you told your new firm's leadership that you have more time and would be able to handle more responsibilities?
It sounds like you came from a firm that didn't care how much work you could handle and just piled it onto you without a care.
A few things, first, it's the holidays, nothing of tremendous import is getting started and anything pushing to completion is not going to involve you at this point in time. Second, you're still becoming acclimated, three weeks is not enough time to fully understand your new environment, dig into it more. Third, there's always time to review existing projects, codes, etc. Fourth, your PM is probably catching their breath, getting ready for the new year, and where to fit you into project workloads. Fifth, enjoy the time to breathe yourself, next year comes fast.
That's fair, I'm sure it'll pick up. I can probably study for LEED in the meantime.
Munger is dead, bye bish.
That dude looks like a muppet
I'm beginning to think we all need to re-watch Red Dawn.
As long as it's the one with Patrick Swayze.
The only one worth watching.
Anyone know if there's been any retrospective publication focusing on Zaha Hadid's drawings? It seems like everything available is basically just large-format coffee table book of architecture photographs with very minimal written information. I'd love to actually do a deep-dive into her history.
Should we do a competition for the 4 million murdered by Kissinger?
I think I need to get started on an essay about how good (expensive) architecture (a new private office building) can heal the world and prevent future genocide. It'll get published in AIA national's journal and lauded for the next year!
I think MVRDV beat us to the punch.
Excellent gift guide this year, @Archinect! Good balance of silly and serious.
I'm researching my holiday cookie recipes I want to use this year and one of them includes "1.3333333730698 cups flaked coconut" and boy am I glad I'm an architect!
That .00000007 makes all the difference
I learned that there are a couple large firms in my area that have been dumping most of their “overpriced” pandemic hires. One large firm is down to about half the size of where they were right before the pandemic. My previous office is “very slow” and has had two more rounds of layoffs since I was let go. I’ve been hearing next year is going to be rough for firms that specialized in office and multi-family - unless borrowing rates drop.
city?
I was speaking with a arch friend of mine a few days ago who told me they had just canned a bunch of their lower performing team members. I thought that was strange because everyone else, our office included, is absolutely swamped. Maybe it's because we did not pull the trigger on all those applicants looking to cash in on insane covid-increased salaries.
Every year around Christmas my office gets into heated debates about how to draw something. In previous years it was about staircase cut-offs, windows, what a window threshold is, and how it is defined. I wonder if this year's debate will be about coffer beams or mullions.
What's a window threshold? I'm a word nerd, especially for elements of construction, but I can't recall ever hearing those words said together.
We do that at my office too! Last year it was about representing and dimensioning window & door masonry openings (whether to centerline or give the opening size). I'm eager to see what it'll be this year.
It's always vapour retarders up here.
I've been doing this all year long with a committee at my firm. We meet weekly unless other things come up. It's better IMHO to have it only once a year around Christmas. Dragging it out over the year means you get burned out and don't really put your whole heart and soul into arguing your stance as much.* Sprint vs. marathon thing I think.
I'm with you WG, I want to know what a window threshold is and how it's defined.
*Except for one guy who seems to forget that we've argued and decided against him on multiple fronts for his pet arguments. He just likes to relitigate things I guess, or maybe legitimately forgets how many times we've handed him his ass.
Non Sequitur wrote:
"It's always vapor retarders up here."
Dang Canadian.
It's vapor retarder here in 'Murica. Get those metric pronunciations 'outa here.
Hey now, how'bout you be a nice neighbour and leave my u out of this. Stick to your archaic nonsensical feeties and inchies.
I'm doin' things in twelfths damn it!
We only use metric for ammo, drugs, alcohol, and track. 'Murica!
Also, don't forget about the yard. ;)
and cabinets, all measured in mm. and much better built in canada.
see if this works
Not available in my country :(
archiwutm8, do you mean window sill?
VPNs can be your friend
just a minor vent. I’m so frustrated by the thread about social justice in architecture schools. Partly because social justice is a good thing, but also because there seriously are too many helicopter parents these days. My parents said “choose a state school because we can’t afford out of state tuition” and I took on all the research from there. My son is in college now, and I’ve basically left him on his own to figure out most of it, although my husband does help (in my opinion, sometimes too much).
I think she's worried about her daughter deviating from the family politics more than anything.
Which is good way to ensure she does
My parents said, oh you picked architecture? Sounds ok. Go on. And that was it.
My wife would agree with you Donna. I'm of mixed feelings on how much to help my kids, and find myself more and more thinking I grew up too much with the idea that the right way to do things is by our own power, no help. That attitude held me back so much as a youth, and I find myself leaning towards acting the other way as an act of contrition. By chance am reading "Bootstrapped" by Alissa Quart this week and she makes some good points about how pervasive the myth of self-sufficiency is in north american culture and how it is used to maintain the status quo in favor of people in power. It's a bit cringey at times but that doesnt make it untrue.
FWIW my parents never discussed university or jobs or my future ever, except the one time my dad had an army recruiter visit our house to see if I might try that out...in hindsight that was liberating and also completely unhelpful.
i cant see this thread anywhere?
Bench, see here: https://archinect.com/forum/thread/150406057/are-all-the-top-grad-schools-at-the-same-level-with-social-justice
"I've had one encouraging response that sort of enforced what I believed" is all I needed to read.
Response from one-post ponies who created new accounts on the same day too.
Helicopter Moms for Liberty
My dad said, "Oh, you picked architecture? Can you at least get certified as a diesel mechanic or something so you can fall back on it when you need money?" To be fair, he did apologize for that years later when I was principal architect winning design awards. ;-D
the key catch here is this helicopter mom is helping her daughter apply to GRADUATE school! this is simply a controlling parent disagreeing with her daughter's choices. i wish we had the daughters perspective on all this here.
I think her daughter's perspective is implied. It shouldn't be to surprising. Additionally her rebellion is delayed until 22.
Nothing wrong with being interested and helpful in the process. There is something wrong with being over-involved & pushing goals not held by the kid. I don't think the OP over there really laid claim to the second to my reading. There's a bit of an over-enthusiasm to crucify her by reading a subtext that may or may not be there, imho
Subtext is pretty transparent. I've met many with similar likes of "questioning". It's always the same people offended when the conversation turns to pronouns. C rucifixion warranted
manipulative and controlling people tend to be very good at presenting a different face towards outside observers. just a guy feeling on this one, nothing in what she wrote.
*gut feeling ...
I hear you proto and I agree but I also agree with everyone else. I’m sure there’s more nuance to the story. But I ask myself if the mom wanted her daughter to investigate schools why didn’t she show this website to the young adult and say “maybe there’s something to be learned here?” instead of posting the question herself. The daughter is an adult.
That thread is bizarre all around.
"her rebellion is delayed until 22"
the most typical kind of rebellion for the late blooming architect ... ha!
On a mildly related note, I did my admitted student school tours for graduate school back in '12 or '13; extremely excited for one of the schools as it's been regularly cited as one of the top M.Arch programs in the country (whatever that means). Pretty standard prospective student body from the looks of it, but one guy who was fresh out of undergrad had his mother in tow. It became pretty clear throughout the day that she was really speaking for him, not just accompanying him. Culminated in the final session of the day on student aid and paying for the program, where she fully hijacked the discussion with the administrator and went to town with questions/opinions on everything. I don't think this kid could have slunk any further down into his chair ...
Wherever you are, hop it worked out for ya buddy
Bench, I did open house presentations for 2 arch schools and entrance interviews for one. There was always a few agressive helicopter parents there.
Bench - I recall something similar at a certain “elite
grad program
My bet is that any rebellion that is likely to happen has already happened (or bare minimum has already been set in motion); the news of it just hasn't reached the mother. News will likely reach the mother when their child feels financially independent.
E.g. The mother seems worried about their child's politics. My bet is the child already has voted differently than the mother might expect, or has already made up their mind to next year.
^or the child came how with purple hair.
My money is on the purple hair.
I wanted to take a gap year and live in a van while I skied every day.
I only applied to school because I got a free application after scoring shockingly close to perfect on my SAT. I only went to the school because I nearly got a full scholarship. Never visited campus, never talked to anyone, fuck, I had never been East of the Mississippi.
15 years later, here I am living in my van down by the river. You can delay destiny but never avoid it.
Congratulations on your SAT score archanonymous! I was a really good student but totally blew my SATS. Probably still high from the night before. But I knew I was going to a state school that would take me so I also didn't try very hard. I tried *hard* on my GREs and did fine, nothing close to perfect though! Aren't you also an Eagle Scout?
I still jealous of living in the van down by the river - given where that van has been the last couple of years.
@Donna well I got high in my car before hand so I'll attribute it mostly to luck. I had the coolest little mini-bong that fit in a sunglass case when I was in high school... man I miss that thing.
In the grand scheme of things it is something I never think about (the SATs that is - I miss that mini bong all the time) but it does form part of that chain of events that took me to university. Life's weird that way.
Definitely not an Eagle Scout - but I did help several friends with their scout projects doing wildfire and erosion management around where I grew up.
I'm ready for the office to close for the holidays. Uhg.
There are, uh, techniques you can use to make that happen.
I'd still like for the firm to exist after the holidays . . .
These... "techniques" of which you speak... Do any involve handcuffs, a polaroid, and half a roller derby team? Just asking for a fiend.
Depends on the roller derby team.
... and which half!
@citizen, that's one way to skin a cat for sure!
#weekendgoals
#holidaygoals
#livelovelaughwithhalfarollerderbyteam
RIP
We should absolutely get the entire month of December off. That is all.
and what, work twice as hard in november and january?
Our office is closed Christmas Eave through New Years. You can take vacation, leave without pay, or work. All up to you.
One of those agree in theory, but not in practice type things. That said, giving myself between Xmas and New Years off with exception of anything that comes up/background firm stuff
Nope just a month of merriment and no working.
^same deal here but we also allow people to bank hours in advance or use any unclaimed sick days (because they don't roll over). The management staff just get it covered without the need to account for the hours because we work enough OT during the other 51 weeks to make up for a few days.
Thanksgiving through New Years, except back in the office on Boxing Day.
October to dec 26 off is a good idea... oh wait, you mean US thanksgiving....
You know what NS...
We're also closed the last week of December. My last office did the flex hours/accrued hours thing for any worked over 40/week that you could bank for the whole year, but not my current.
+++ for using merriment.
we should get the whole year off. nothing but merriment
Ah, why did the big green head turn off comments on the sponsored harvard crypto tech-bro jive "course"? SO much potential snark opportunities missed. Could probably power a whole crypto mining rig with a day's worth of comments. Certainly would take away the attention off the genocide dumpster fire.
Anyways, I guess there are worst ways to burn $500 than attend the architecture's future is blockchain...
Here here, we can just slam Harvard president on this thread and call for her to step down. Privilege has many faces....
Okay Bill Ackman
They always turn off comments on the sponsored posts. On the one hand, I don't get to leave snarky comments and see other's snark. On the other hand, it means the post fades off the page pretty quickly and gets lost to the bowels of the internet and forgotten.
I also think it's sort of nice that the BGH says, "You can pay for a post, but we don't guarantee any engagement ... in fact we'll go to lengths to actively discourage it. Thanks for your money."
Wait but we've definitely shit talked sponsored posts before. There's that one recruiter who puts one up every month or so and people have called him out for the terrible career advice he writes about.
Don't think that one is a paid-for "blog" post Bench.
Yeah, that's just a recruiter trying to get briskness by lying.
Probably a dumb question, but who is the big green head? (if you're not referring to the color of american money)
"Big Green Head" aka "BGH" aka "Archinect" aka "Paul Petrunia the site's founder/owner"
I think the title is a nod to the Wizard of Oz where a "man behind the curtain" controls a big green head. It's probably back in one of the first hundred pages of TC if anyone wants to trace it down.
No spoiler alert on that because the film is coming up on 85 years old next year.
wtf dude i was just about to watch that!
Spoiler alert!
It starts out in black and white, but there's color in the land of Oz!
that was some cutting edge creativity back in the day ...
Another spoiler, it's about the brokenness of a capitalist system.
Isn't everything?
TESTING
TESTICALS?
TESTICAL TESTIMONIES.
testing ... a new user name, or figuring out if an old one still works?
Better to be quizzical than testicle, I always say.
Does anyone work with a marketing person to push content to your social media or wherever you advertise? And wouldn't mind sharing their info with me?
I’ve been doing it all myself right now, with plans of getting someone to help. Send me a message and I’ll give you a couple contacts.
Good evening TC. A lot of us have known a lot of us for a long long time here on TC! And we’ve seen each other go through some significant life changes. So I’m here to post that I’m taking a last minute flight to Phoenix right now because my dad is about to enter hospice. It’s a really sad thing, of course, but I don’t want to bring anyone else down. My dad is approaching death with exactly the same optimism and gratefulness for life that he has approached every single thing in the last 84 years! If you like me, it’s all because of how my father has modeled a good life for me. He’s an extraordinary human and I’m grateful I have the ability to go across country to see him off this plane (get it?).
Anyway, much love to Archinectors tonight. Keep on keeping on.
Raising a glass of bourbon Donna. I recently, no less than 6 weeks ago, had a similar situation with a very dear and significant family member.
Sorry to hear Donna, I was in the same situation 4 years ago (cant believe its been 4 years already) that Mom's cancer treatments stopped working and she started getting very sick, around the same time, and she left us in Feb 2020.
I remember her care team mentioning how many people they lose over the holidays, it is always more than the "usual".
Much love to you all and hope Dad's last moments are as painless and light as possible.
Thank you sameold.
Dear Donna, I am sending you and your family love, care, and sympathies. Sounds like a great Dad you have. Even though we see death as finite, it is not. From my personal experience, he'll always be there for you.
Donna, so sorry to hear about your Dad. It is very good you can go and be with him for a while.
Donna, that's about the best one can hope for in this situation. You're both lucky to have each other.
Sending love.
I'm very sorry to hear about this Donna.
Donna, my heart goes out to you, your dad, and your family. He's lucky to have you for a daughter, too.
Really tired of 500 emails a day from aconex and the various document management systems but especially aconex
ACONEX SUCKS ASS
Anything in the market is better… ? not really
so are Tyler Phillip and Naylor Ella just a rogue AI bot ?
Yes. Naylor claims to live in the city of Brazil yet profile states from Misourri. Also loves linkin park.
I think it's adorable how hard the little bots are trying. It's like watching a puppy trying to navigate stairs for the first time.
Nothing wrong with loving the dulcet tones of Chester Bennington
How come I can't post on what music are you listening to and all my posts over years have been removed from that thread?
You're not allowed to post NKOTB. D00d.
It was plenty of good music tho, from friends bands, a bit of roots fire, a bit of hip hop. Just good music, kind of had hoped a bunch of architects would respect cultural heritage...
Oh hush nabrU. No one is disrespecting anything.
Whoever got the music removed is disrespecting the artists.
This better not be about disrespecting Neil young.
No one disrespects Southern Man
A Southern man don't need him around, anyhow.
Merry Christmas everyone, and I recommend to watch this short series,
Happy Christmas Eve from one of my favorite airports, the McNamara terminal in Detroit! I m crazy for this showily-engineered fountain:
But I couldn’t enjoy the holiday-themed light and music show due to being distracted by this *significant* crack in the terrazzo that ran the length of the connector, but only on one side.
Four more hours and I’ll be home!
I fucking hate that goddamn tunnel. Whoever thought that what tired and annoyed travellers need is a LOUD AND FLASHY INSTALLATION THAT GOES IN THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE RUNWAY is an asshole.
Hi TC!
Donna, this "approaching death with exactly the same optimism and gratefulness for life that he has approached every single thing" is a wonderful tribute! I know certainly not a thing could always be said for me, but a North Star for a good life. May his memory be a blessing.
Regarding EA's comment on liveliness of forums, in my own case, a direct result of fatherhood and professional growth (maybe also a bit the growth of various newer digital "communities"). Though I'd also note that both archiwutm8's post (on end of year drawing debates) and ill_will latest, and the even brief convos they kicked off are representative of (one of reasons) why I keep coming back...
I'm curious how many TCers' are Novids? We'd made it almost 4 years and then finally tested positive Friday. Luckily seems to be a mostly mild case but definitely glad we were vaxxed nonetheless.
Wishing y'all a happy holidays/start of the year!
Also I am pretty sure the BGH consists of more than Paul Petrunia. In my experience there is a small but mighty HQ/team, that has fluctuated (in size and personnel) over the years. Plus a few community member/moderators (with lesser powers).
Oh and I missed the IRL 'Nectors convo. I've had pleasure of meeting a few, not as many as I'd like. Knew (went to school with but in a different program) a few of the older crew (Aaron and Quilian) and had pleasure later in life of meeting Javier, Nick (maybe Bryan?) and Orhan on a trip to CA. Attended at least a couple of Denver crew meetups early in my years here in CO. More recently I've missed (much to my chagrin) chances to meetup with b3ta and Donna during separate trips they've made here.
I forgot about that meet-up in Denver, Nam. I met 3 more archinecters than I initially stated. I’m down for another meetup!
Still a family of Novids over here. Sorry to hear you tested positive, but glad it seems to be mild. Rest up. Happy Holidays
I got Covid from a rage against the machine outdoor show.
@Wilma, that'd be great! Will try to remember to email the emails I still have for y'all in the New Year/once we are clean. @Non., I was supposed to go to the 97 Rage-Wu tour. Got grounded and RATM is still one of my biggest regrets/bucket list groups!
With an abundance of caution, I superstitiously won't say that I haven't had Covid. But I'm not saying I have tested positive either.
same, afraid to write that sort of thing out...
In the last three years, I have had everything except Covid.
Huzzah?!
Where's the last place you had it?
https://archinect.com/features/article/31275/best-of-05-raquo-abra-vado
Those who forget Archinect History are doomed to repeat it.
Those who forget Archinect History will be doomed to repeat it. Happy New Year.
Hey guys, how are you all doing?! I've been lurking a bit lately and feeling like I wanted to dip my toe back into the forum here a bit, especially since Xitter imploded. Donna, I also love the Detroit airport! I'm still out here in Portland and we're anxiously awaiting the opening of our brand new woodsy PDX terminal roof, which I'm sure you've all heard about plenty by now. My friend started working at ZGF last year and has posted about it on LinkedIn, hopefully cross-posting is OK, here are some behind-the-scenes photos in case you're interested: https://www.linkedin.com/posts...
Also I procreated since the last time I posted on here, I think? Gosh it's been so long! Anyway, here she is in disguise (LOL) earlier this year at daycare.
Happy almost New Year!
Haha! Eltona John. Time flies, I’m trying to miser it! Happy new year emkem!!!
Nice to see the reappearance of two "old-timers"... Also congrats Emily!
My goodness! Why is that adorable toddler surrounded by baby bodies on the floor? =O)
She's so cute... and looks like she's calmly checking her nails after kicking serious baby butt.
That kid has more style than I ever will.
Happy new year to our friends down under - kicking it all off for 2024!
Hey guys,
Newish architect here.
Are allowances usually made for MEP services when you do designs, or would you just wait to be told how much room to leave once a MEP consultant is in board?
Any help would be great!
Thanks :)
You should plan ahead for mechanical space, probably 2-3 times more area than you think you need. In the residential world we rarely have the benefit of a mechanical engineer on the design team but I have found having one to be a valuable addition.
No matter how much space you give them, engineers and HVAC contractors will want more, but it's really difficult to squeeze everything into a space that's not large enough.
Over the weekend I had to relight the pilot light on my mother-in-law's water heater and I literally didn't have space to see whether it was lit.
To this important matter of adequate space, I would add strategic location(s)-- for better and more efficient equipment access (per WG) as well as duct and piping runs.
Don't forget ventilation requirements if you're closing in the room
LET THERE BE ZUMTHOR!
Did you visit La Brea? I've always wanted to go. They are right across the street right? Any sense whether the NHMLAC or this will be a better/more architecturally interesting, project?
Nam we did Peterson (stooooopid building) LACMA and TarPits in one day and I looooooved the tar pits! I could stand and watch those little black bubbles burst all day long. I even had my son take a picture of me with the CGI-generated extinct animals. Here I am with some kind of bird and the glorious Goff Japanese pavilion behind me.
Huh, can’t get the picture to load. I’ll try later.
Can you believe they considered getting rid of the mammoths?
Me, Bruce Goff, and a virtual Pleistocene-era turkey.
You gotta kick that turkey's ass.
sidenote, Bart Prince had a huge role in bringing the project to life as Goff passed away two years before the construction started with a lot of unresolved details. So happy that Zumthor's LACMA will visually bring it to viewers. Glad to see you are having fun Donna.
This reminds me to take the kids to the tarpits and the academy museum. Havent been to the area for 3-4 years now even though we live in LA. Life is busy, and im busy being disgusted on how they tore down the old beautiful LACMA buildings....
i love that quirky little gallery. i wish museums today were able to have that kind of playful idiosyncrasy without any pretense of importance.
The outside does not hold a candle to how nutso the interior is. What a fun space. Wish all the acrylic aged a little better.
Quiet on TC but I'll point to this News item about Oana.
https://archinect.com/news/art...
Oana was one of the way-back regulars on the Forum when she was a student! It's been amazing seeing her successes.
Unrelated. One thing I couldn't get over on my trip to LA was how defensive all the architecture is. In ALL of the residential neighborhoods I went through the majority of houses had fences or dense plant growth right up against the street, with a gate to enter the property, and the house was barely visible. I think this relates to historic Central American architecture that emphasizes interior courtyards, and maybe it's just an adopted approach to the street that Southwestern settlers used. In any case, it's good for privacy from the street but to me seemed a little dramatic? Like everyone has to hide because they're movie stars? Or like everyone is so afraid of their neighbors they have to build mini-fortresses?
Anyway LA is lush.
Lush here! =O| I've seen much more of that in recent years, Donna. I believe some it is an old-fashioned desire for privacy in single-family neighborhoods. Sometimes it's just at the front/sidewalk edge, and not along the sides or rear-- indicating a specific aversion to strangers (and their dogs) and maybe solicitors. But some of it, I'm convinced, is just copying what the neighbors are doing, by folks not overly private but not wanting to miss out on a trend. I can't imagine that most cases owe a conscious debt to Latin American urban design. If only.
PS. I wish we'd gotten to meet up, but I know travel time is packed and precious on trips like this.
Well, Donna, in LA proper, a lot of the defensiveness is a direct result of the crime rate as well. Not sure if you went to suburbs like Pasadena, Glendale etc where you can see open front yards with super low hedges/fences.
And yes, its been so nice to see Oana's successes from the student days to now.
front yards are the stupidest thing invented by men.
If there is no "get off my yard" what are old men supposed to yell at kids about?
The front yard is where I practice my martial arts while wearing a red speedo. My neighbors love it! Oh wait . . . .
With the right accessories, Chad, you won't need the martial arts.
And yes, that's Sean Connery.
That's from the movie Zardoz. FYI - that film is where the phrase 'big green head' comes from. In the film the big green head floats around and barfs up guns for the people to fight with.
Hey now, that SC pic is my jam! Love that movie.
Side note: I may just be a overly polite dirty communist Canadian but it appears to me that the bullets in Sir Sean Connery's suspenders don't fit the revolver he's packing.
There is a lot to unpack in Non's statement. ;) Non - I always figured the rounds in the bandoleer were for a rifle.
In 'Merica we know the difference between bullets and rounds. Now excuse me, I have a mass shooting to mourn and kidney to sell to afford my healthcare. Freeeeeedoooooom!
I’m so burnt out, like mentally capping out, I’m making mistakes, hating every waking working moment and going home to other issues. I really don’t know what to do, the usually 1-2 weeks holidays aren’t cutting it anymore. Any advice?
probably remove yourself from the situation. maybe look for a different office, or adjacent career?
also, try to focus on the positive. there has to some element of the work situation you like, maybe some piece of the design or some detail you worked out. also, something at home you like. maybe a good dinner. think about the positive stuff and then think about how you can shift your situation so you're doing more of the positive thing and less of the burn-out thing.
I’m burned out too. No advice just know what it feels like and it sucks. I need new energy.
My partner getting COVID and hence erasing Xmas week plans have increased my burnout big time.
I'm in the same situation as you archiwutm8.
I've found that keeping time for myself to get outdoors and get exercise really helps me handle the stress.
I also have a series of fun activities throughout the year that I've planned so I look forward to them
Good luck with this!
Want to hear something incredibly weird? My burnout was "cured" (is it ever really?) by going out on my own and controlling how my labor is spent, what it is spent on, etc... It's the most stress I've had in my life, but a different kind of stress. Of course, this path is absolutely not for everyone and I still wonder what the hell did I do on a daily basis. Finding ways to take control of your situation may help.
Honestly, I'm starting to have chest aches end of the working day and I don't know if it's long sitting hours or panic attacks. I go for long walks on weekends but the whole working week honestly just really sucks.
That's absolutely a sign that the situation isn't right for you. I've been there, and I hate that you're going through this.
Yeah, archiwutm8 please don't continue to be this miserable. Try to find another job. A job isn't worth this kind of stress to both your mental and physical health.
archiwutm8 - are you able to see a doctor and then speak to your firm about this? I am genuinely concerned about your well being. This is just a job. It's not worth your physical or mental health.
I was very burned out at my last job. I started by telling people it would take me a couple days or a week to get something done instead of them telling me they needed it by the end of the day. That push back and managing expectations helped a lot. I think it might have led to them laying me off, but I found something pretty quick and started from the beginning managing others’ expectations. Much less stress.
I try that but doesn't work like that where I am. The client wants everything asap and management is disorganized and stressed out 24/7. I'm considering gathering funds for the next few months and might call it quit and go teach English, been in AEC for 10+ years now and if I'm honest I don't know if I ever enjoyed it, I enjoy design and architecture issues like social housing but the work environment just isn't right.
archiwutm8 - Sounds like the firm you're at is crap.
That's what I did saved up enough to give myself a runway for a year or so and bailed. You need some time to decompress and find a "bridge job" that is low stress as you plan your next move. Burnout fries you good and you don't want to jump into another big change right after leaving a toxic place.
In Nov/Dec of 2022 I burnt out to the point of actual collapse (as in I literally COULDN'T get out of bed). I spent the first half of 2023 either in psychiatric treatment or just watching YouTube all day, tried going back to the old job in June but lasted 2 weeks before I was back in the hospital. I'm very fortunate to live in a state with relatively generous disability or I'd be homeless.
Start taking care of yourself before your body decides for you.
(I started a new job in August, which is great, but I'm still feeling some of the effects of the burnout.)
This industry really follows you. I was at a cafe this weekend enjoying myself and a couple next to me were talking about work and one of them crying their eyes out about how much they hate work. Surprise, surprise she was an architect. I go home and log into my city subreddit and the first post is a suicide and the girl was another architect stressed out.
Yeah you need to quit. My workplace sucks ass too but perhaps only 10% of what you are describing...so quit and find something else
One architecture firm (I think it is in Bozeman, Montana) frequently receives 'Best Places to Work' awards, so the common massive stress often described here is not necessarily baked in the job.
I would consider giving notice. Give them two or four weeks of notice and tell them you would be available part-time after that if more time is needed to hand off projects. (Don't run up more than a week's wages without getting paid).
Write a polite letter without outright lying: "I have enjoyed working with the people here and have learned a lot.. ect, ect, ect. I wish everyone at the firm continued success ect. ect.."
I think the stress problem may be related to the workload never relaxing. After you finish a project working at 110% everyone needs a few days of very light duty to recover. No one can jump right back in the next day to a mad pace.l
Just my 2 cents.
I would go one step further.
Some firms expect their team members to have nearly a 100% utilization ratio (amount of time you can bill out your work). That is not possible or sustainable. In my experience any utilization ratio of over 90% isn't sustainable for more than a couple of months without burnout. Realistically you want your utilization ratio to be around 85%.
Ever feel like you've only been doing 40 hours a week but you're just burnt out? That's why.
I've worked at a firm as essentially a production drafter where I was expected to be at 95% utilization. That works out to only 2 hours per week of non-billable time on a normal 40 hour work week. One of those hours was a weekly staff meeting. The other was usually a lunch-and-learn. It was doable for me, but it was stupid and led to burn out pretty quickly. It didn't help the burnout that I also worked a lot of overtime because I was getting paid time and a half for it, but that did help the numbers work out better in terms of utilization.
Now I’m getting ads for 24 week cyber security programs. Entry level pay looks pretty good. I might do it. Architecture was once the most interesting thing but now seems so boring. Like I beat all the levels and need a new game now.
Maybe that's why I went out on my own - to up the difficulty level!
I wish I could beat all the levels on any part of my life. It must be nice. Why do I only choose things that are too challenging? ;)
I just left our 35 story office building to head to a meeting. We’re having some work done on the roof and as I walked through the lobby I saw a guy coming toward me wearing what I thought was rigging gear. I smiled and nodded at him - as I typically do when I see construction workers - but as he got closer I realized he was tricked out in gun and ammo gear, wearing all black. I smiled and said “Be safe out there” which was what I was planning to say to the laborer. He looked sheepish. Now I’m sure he thinks I was laughing at him.
TL;DR: I just embarrassed an ammosexual.
and this is why we're building a wall. It may be made of maple syrup, hockey sticks and hugs, but it's a wall nonetheless. It'll certainly keep fools like this out of our snow banks.
he deserves to feel some embarrassment for parading around like that, if not actually stopped for questioning by the police for entering a major public space fully strapped (which quite frankly seems a valid response too)
'Murica ... F Yeah
Open carry is stupid. If you do it you're stupid.
why stop at open?
Cuz 'Murica and 'da 2nd aMendmit ShaLl nIt be inFridged'
Took my dad to a Steak n Shake in Indy a few months ago. I asked someone who was open-carrying if they feared a Frisco Melt. The look on that person's face...
Reporting in from the Portland, OR, cold spell & now ice storm: still just awful. We've been in & out of power/internet since Saturday. All sorts of large trees failing (like 100' firs uprooting and tipping over). We're managing to keep warm and don't have a tree through our roof...yet. Last night, we had a brief scare with fire when a tree broke power lines up the street. Roads were dangerously glazed yesterday & again today. Tomorrow it's supposed to properly warm up. I keep having to remember that doesn't necessarily correlate with power/internet coming back...
Gosh, hang in there proto! Sounds scary.
and we're back at it...lessons in resiliency for everyone involved! :)
Well it's time to get out of the office and get some cc skiing done in the mountains. See you all on Monday. Ok, I'll be in on Sunday but don't tell anyone. Silly deadline.
keep an eye on the avalanches, temps rising this wknd.
Is that why all those cc skies open-carry sleek rifles? To protect themselves against roaming avalanche gangs?
No avalanche danger where I was at. I would just use my ski poles to fight off avalanches. ;)
I did need to carry out an older woman who twisted her knee. Her friends couldn't carry her so we rigged up a litter with some cord and her skis. I got to pull her out 1.5 miles to the trailhead. Good thing the entire way was only slightly down hill. :s
Now to get back to this fire station project due in two weeks. :(
Back in the office working on a fire station project. Uhg. I want to be at home with the partner and dog. A month of 50+ hour weeks is really getting to me.
Fire station sounds fun!
I hope there's a fireperson's pole involved, or is that a thing of the past?
From my research into fire station design back in undergrad ... they are a thing of the past. Too many injuries and I think they've found that wide staircases (enough for two abreast) are able to convey more fire fighters down a level faster than a pole with less injuries.
As EA said - poles really aren't used due to injuries. Not from falling but from landing atop a person who's at the bottom of the pole. Wide stairs - or slides are used now. Yes, slides. Weeeeeee!
is this the CB fire station that was delayed for 3 years and now they want it all by yesterday?
Careful on the slides. Don't let cops near them.
So much for that "very faithful" 3S reboot I'd been hoping for.
Everyday, I LOVE that video! I could not stop laughing when it first came out. WTH did he do to end up moving so fast?! and the clattering, my god, the clattering!!!
JLC-1 wrote
"is this the CB fire station that was delayed for 3 years and now they want it all by yesterday?"
Yup.
Have they had a fire in that three years? If not, maybe the real money-saver here is to scuttle the new station and instead publicize and post: "Whatever y'all have been doing or not doing, keep it up!" (And then a big thumbs-up graphic, obviously.)
Naw. They need a new fire station and search and rescue. Their current 'building' can't really be called a building and has almost fallen down. Also, they house all EMS so . . .
Sounds like a fun project at least!
It's an interesting project.
I’ve worked on fire stations and am still familiar with this project type. They definitely still use poles - a lot of places prefer them - especially if space is at a premium. No one likes the corkscrew slides, and there’s growing concern over stair injuries.
Straight slides.
That news makes me happy.
It seems weird that stations would make stairs the quick way to get down to the bay. It appears to be a one-way ticket to a workers comp claim.
You'd think that.
However they've found that as long as the sleeping quarters on on the same floor as the bays it's fine.
Ironically poles cause more injuries than stairs. The issue is that if a firefighter forgets call out that they're clear from the pole base, or the firefighter at the top doesn't listen for the 'clear' then the two collide. This typically is a 175 persons feet slamming into the top of someone's head.
Then there is the requirement to protect the top of the pole opening from people. It basically needs to be in a separate room to keep people from accidentally falling through the floor opening.
My groundbreaking architectural idea in undergrad was to accommodate the fighters all trying to get to the bay at the same time from their sleeping quarters by widening the corridor from the sleeping quarters to the bay a little bit more at each door. Basically meant each person leaving their sleeping quarter had their own lane* to travel to the bays. It was a hit with the critics, but made for an inefficient building layout otherwise.
*I never defined "lanes" for them to travel in and it was a loose concept. The amount the corridor widened wouldn't have accommodated the width of someone anyway so their own "lane" wasn't really the point. It was more about having the room to navigate potential collision points in the corridor with others exiting their sleeping quarters.
Feel free to steal the idea for your project(s) ... YMMV.
Why not just have their beds automatically drop them through the floor into their seats on the truck as soon as the alarm sounds? ;-) Fire and forget, baby!
I like that thinking, gw. That's better than my idea of parking the fire trucks upstairs next to the sleeping quarters.
The money saving option would be to have the bunks just fold down from the apparatus bay walls. When the alarm goes off the swing down.
Maybe give them a 5-10 second delay before swinging down. Just to be nice
There are poles with integrated trap doors that stay open for a few seconds before automatically closing. If it’s open a fire fighter coming down will know someone just went down.
Correct. If you have more money than space then poles can be a great option. Also when kids come to visit they all want to slide down the pole!
Why don't they just make the trucks themselves a little bigger and add submarine racks? Eliminate the need for crew quarters altogether.
They still need a place to eat and work out. ;)
I know we're joking around, but more seriously, fire departments need to make their apparatus smaller, not larger. I'd love to know how many "road diets" get shelved just because of fire trucks.
I don't do a lot of fire / EMS work. The few projects I've done the trucks do seem to be getting smaller. Of course the need for ladder trucks in some areas don't allow this.
Copied the following from a social media post I saw elsewhere. Thought I'd share here as well. Not sure how many of us are looking at AD on a daily basis.
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Lol architectural digest. Lamest architecture media outlet imaginable.
Digest is infinitely better than Record. At least I get to see lush gardens and interiors.
Are you all taking about those magazines I keep getting but never subscribed to? I use 'em as placemats when gluing models. You mean I could of been readin' 'em?!
The general public doesn't know just how horrible the mainstream architecture magazines are in comparison to the overseas ones. Although, kind of true of architecture in general.
I got to move into a higher-paying career to afford an El Croquis subscription.
I find some of the modern houses that AD presents are very intriguing as are the interiors. The photography is always superb,
My biggest beouf is AD's steadfast, strict, frustrating ban on floor plans. My hunch is that it stems from concerns about privacy and security ("What? Madonna's kids' rooms are right next door to her sex dungeon?"). But this structural gap relegates "Architectural" in the title to fashion rather than description.
even many proper architectural publications abstract them into near uselessness, unfortunately...
^ Yes, this!
I want a deliciously drawn floor plan of graded line weights and broken lines illustrating wall thicknesses (poche' anyone?), windows, doors, fixtures, finishes, etcetera, etcetera. Even a basic plan that's scaled correctly and reasonably detailed is fine. But a reductive, non-scaled line diagram that looks like an electrical schematic is the absolute worst.
This issue highlights the larger divide between architectural training, custom & practice versus whatever the hell else is out there, driven by (not all, but many) developers. Also, dare I be Grandpa Simpson yelling at clouds, some is borne of digital over digits-- computing vs. hand drawing.
There. Now for some Metamucil (much more complex than regular mucil.)
On second thought, worse than the development industry are the publisher/ media complex's shortcomings here. Images of flashy renderings are so easy to find and include. Harder to provide are plans, sections and elevations, even here on Archinect. When an editor or author goes to this trouble, the results are far better, and come much closer to "architectural" journalism.