So, should I throw my laptop out the window or not? I mean, is it too old to run Maxwell or is it something else that is not working properly? Because Cinema's render engine runs smoothly!
@Bentley
Are you learning Cinema 4D right now? What kind of tutorials are you using?
I use C4d with the included "advanced render", although I'm thinking of giving the Vray for C4d a trial.
At work we use vray or maxwell with rhino. Although both can produce very nice results, I still prefer Cinema for my own stuff, so I think its really just a matter of preference. And like others have said, once you know one render program, the skills are fairly easily transferred.
But really kwdll, what are you looking for? Tips on lighting? Materials? Virtual camera settings? Or just basics on the controls/interface?
"But really kwdll, what are you looking for? Tips on lighting? Materials? Virtual camera settings? Or just basics on the controls/interface?"
What do you mean? I'm not looking for Maxwell tutorials. They're easy to find... and both 'Maxwell Render Manual' and 'Maxwell for Cinema 4D Plugin Manual' are pretty good too... (of course any advanced tip from an experienced user would be welcome!)
What I don't know is why it's taking me over 2hrs to render a 320x240 image when I haven't changed any settings! What am I missing? Any key setting I should be aware of?
Ok, sorry then, I'm really not well versed in Maxwell / Maxwell for C4D. Like I said, I've got Maxwell at work, but for my own use I stick to the standard "advanced render". It's capable of some surprisingly good (and quick, even on a two year old Mac book pro) results. Any reason why you're not keen to stick with the standard render engine?
@IamGray
Well, no particular reason... just the fact that Maxwell was pointed out as one of the best render engines out there, capable of delivering the same astonishing results as VRay, but a lot easier to use! I recall reading somewhere, something like this: "Maxwell, while still able to deliever the same results, is a lot easier to set up than VRay, once you figure out what works for you and what doesn't".
Why don't I stick with Cinema's Adavanced Render? That is a good question... I don't know, maybe 'cause, like Bentley said, everybody seems to use an external render engine! and like fluxbound said "using an external renderer like maxwell or vray means you get to jump around software without having to worry about learning each one's peculiar rendering engine".
I really liked Maxwell and would like stick with it! But over 2hrs to render a 320x240 image using all the default settings? My laptop is not that bad! I must be doing something wrong... but what?
if you want to stay an architect and do 3d renderings as a bonus, then I suggest you use sketchup for modeling and 3d studio max + mental ray for rendering. however, if you decide to make a mistake like me and move on to professional 3d rendering career, and be broke for the rest of your life, then i recommend you use 3d studio max for modeling and vray for rendering...
I guess it depends on who you ask or who/where you work, like most things. As for pay, 3D is generally much better out of the gate, hours are better, etc.
I certainly have no regrets, both from a business standpoint and monetary one.
I will say that you might be able to make a few bucks on the side doing 3D, but, like most professional things, it takes a full time dedication to be really efficient and profitable.
@kwdll -C4D is a great software too, but not as popular in architectural industry as 3d max. I am actually trying to learn C4D right now too, to advance into motiongraphics industry, because they use this software alot. Hope this answers the question.
@trace - you are right about pay, but I wouldn't be so sure about the hours, the places I worked at as a 3D Artist, didn't let their people out until 11pm, all-nighters are very often too. So yes, the pay might be better than architect, but the hours are insane (full-dedication). But these days, 3D Artist career is becoming sort of absolute too in USA and other developed countries due to increase in oversees outsources companies. They literally killed the professional at home, they charge 1/10 of a price and their quality has greatly improved over the years...
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but is it easier to achieve better results with vray or maxwell than c4d's default render engine?
i haven't touched cinema4d since 2006, so i don't know how much the interface has improved.
2006 c4d vs. 2009 maxwell plugged into rhino = yes.
i'd assume c4d has improved since back then. any other c4d user around here? if so, please tell us which render engine you use and why.
So, should I throw my laptop out the window or not? I mean, is it too old to run Maxwell or is it something else that is not working properly? Because Cinema's render engine runs smoothly!
@Bentley
Are you learning Cinema 4D right now? What kind of tutorials are you using?
I use C4d with the included "advanced render", although I'm thinking of giving the Vray for C4d a trial.
At work we use vray or maxwell with rhino. Although both can produce very nice results, I still prefer Cinema for my own stuff, so I think its really just a matter of preference. And like others have said, once you know one render program, the skills are fairly easily transferred.
But really kwdll, what are you looking for? Tips on lighting? Materials? Virtual camera settings? Or just basics on the controls/interface?
@IamGray
"But really kwdll, what are you looking for? Tips on lighting? Materials? Virtual camera settings? Or just basics on the controls/interface?"
What do you mean? I'm not looking for Maxwell tutorials. They're easy to find... and both 'Maxwell Render Manual' and 'Maxwell for Cinema 4D Plugin Manual' are pretty good too... (of course any advanced tip from an experienced user would be welcome!)
What I don't know is why it's taking me over 2hrs to render a 320x240 image when I haven't changed any settings! What am I missing? Any key setting I should be aware of?
Ok, sorry then, I'm really not well versed in Maxwell / Maxwell for C4D. Like I said, I've got Maxwell at work, but for my own use I stick to the standard "advanced render". It's capable of some surprisingly good (and quick, even on a two year old Mac book pro) results. Any reason why you're not keen to stick with the standard render engine?
@IamGray
Well, no particular reason... just the fact that Maxwell was pointed out as one of the best render engines out there, capable of delivering the same astonishing results as VRay, but a lot easier to use! I recall reading somewhere, something like this: "Maxwell, while still able to deliever the same results, is a lot easier to set up than VRay, once you figure out what works for you and what doesn't".
Why don't I stick with Cinema's Adavanced Render? That is a good question... I don't know, maybe 'cause, like Bentley said, everybody seems to use an external render engine! and like fluxbound said "using an external renderer like maxwell or vray means you get to jump around software without having to worry about learning each one's peculiar rendering engine".
I really liked Maxwell and would like stick with it! But over 2hrs to render a 320x240 image using all the default settings? My laptop is not that bad! I must be doing something wrong... but what?
if you want to stay an architect and do 3d renderings as a bonus, then I suggest you use sketchup for modeling and 3d studio max + mental ray for rendering. however, if you decide to make a mistake like me and move on to professional 3d rendering career, and be broke for the rest of your life, then i recommend you use 3d studio max for modeling and vray for rendering...
@zen maker
I'm gonna be an architect. No shadow of doubt on my mind! I just see 3d as a big plus!
What? 3ds Max? I've already decided to go with Cinema 4D... Why do you say that?
Is professional 3d rendering that bad? Could you elaborate on that?
i just figured out what's bothering me about this thread.
too many exclamation points.
alright no more punctuation from now on
I guess it depends on who you ask or who/where you work, like most things. As for pay, 3D is generally much better out of the gate, hours are better, etc.
I certainly have no regrets, both from a business standpoint and monetary one.
I will say that you might be able to make a few bucks on the side doing 3D, but, like most professional things, it takes a full time dedication to be really efficient and profitable.
@kwdll -C4D is a great software too, but not as popular in architectural industry as 3d max. I am actually trying to learn C4D right now too, to advance into motiongraphics industry, because they use this software alot. Hope this answers the question.
@trace - you are right about pay, but I wouldn't be so sure about the hours, the places I worked at as a 3D Artist, didn't let their people out until 11pm, all-nighters are very often too. So yes, the pay might be better than architect, but the hours are insane (full-dedication). But these days, 3D Artist career is becoming sort of absolute too in USA and other developed countries due to increase in oversees outsources companies. They literally killed the professional at home, they charge 1/10 of a price and their quality has greatly improved over the years...
mean to say "absolute = obsolete"
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