Ok ladies and gents, time to play the game of "Will this work"? Specifically talking about the image attached, will those tall columns support such a mass that is essentially floating over mid-air? This is a conceptual project for a vertical aquaponics farm. Throw any suggestions out there!
What's your budget? If your answer is unlimited times infinity, then yes, it's rather easy.
Joking aside, it's doubtful that those long columns would hold up even their own weight before buckling let alone volumes of water (aquaponics?) . If you want to add the slightest hint of realism to the project, consider mirroring the cantilevers equally on each side of the cylinder and extend the structure through both projections. It is how MVRDV achieved their large projections in the WoZoco Apartments, Amsterdam.
Pete, I know, I've seen better from first year students but I am intrigued on how the OP achieved such slender roof lines... I can't even get entrance vestibules with less than 600mm thick assemblies where I am.
Look at your proposal. Think about other tall, slender columns supporting platforms that you've seen. Consider bridges over steep canyons. Are they braced trusses of steel? Are they slender concrete that curves out wider at the top? Are they cable-stayed masts?
Think about buildings you've seen, analyze how they accomplish something similar to what you want to accomplish, adjust accordingly. Easy peasy.
nope, will not work. did this come from a cardboard concept model? you don't have to take those things literally... half those floating projects you seen in school are due to that.
Didn't Lafarge come up with some ridiculously strong carbonfiber/concrete mix? Heck maybe just go to a carbon fiber honeycomb, might work. Similar to the Arup carbonfiber towers. As long as budget's not an issue.
Assuming post-tensioned concrete, your structural slabs will be 8" to 10" thick with a maximum span of around 30 feet to 35 feet and maximum cantilever of around 10 feet. If you don't have any shear walls (which you clearly don't) then all your columns will have to act as moment frames. That increases their size and means they'll all have flares at the capitals for moment load transfer.
Then, below the slabs, you'll have all your HVAC and lighting. You can expose that stuff, but it costs a lot of money to make it pretty.
Exposing the slab edges through the curtain wall like you've shown is a great way to let water leak through the envelope and create spalling problems on the slabs if you're in a climate where it gets cold. If you want that look, you're going to need to wrap the slab edges with something. That will make them appear a good deal thicker than what you've got shown.
And then all those floating UFO things look like they'll have some exiting issues if they're for anything other than large residential units...
gwahrton, don't take this the wrong way but that post kinda turns me on. I love when people know what they're talking about, especially when they're talking about architecture.
Let's play: "Will this work"? (Conceptual idea)
Ok ladies and gents, time to play the game of "Will this work"? Specifically talking about the image attached, will those tall columns support such a mass that is essentially floating over mid-air? This is a conceptual project for a vertical aquaponics farm. Throw any suggestions out there!
What's your budget? If your answer is unlimited times infinity, then yes, it's rather easy.
Joking aside, it's doubtful that those long columns would hold up even their own weight before buckling let alone volumes of water (aquaponics?) . If you want to add the slightest hint of realism to the project, consider mirroring the cantilevers equally on each side of the cylinder and extend the structure through both projections. It is how MVRDV achieved their large projections in the WoZoco Apartments, Amsterdam.
His budget seems to be about 95% completion on a a preliminary rendering.
Pete, I know, I've seen better from first year students but I am intrigued on how the OP achieved such slender roof lines... I can't even get entrance vestibules with less than 600mm thick assemblies where I am.
Look at your proposal. Think about other tall, slender columns supporting platforms that you've seen. Consider bridges over steep canyons. Are they braced trusses of steel? Are they slender concrete that curves out wider at the top? Are they cable-stayed masts?
Think about buildings you've seen, analyze how they accomplish something similar to what you want to accomplish, adjust accordingly. Easy peasy.
Easy. Just make the columns out of Plasteel or Rearden metal. Or you could use Bolonium.
What's the CSI MasterSpec number for Anti-Gravity Generators? I forget.
why do you think they keep so quiet about division 47?
Bolonium would definitely be easier.
nope, will not work. did this come from a cardboard concept model? you don't have to take those things literally... half those floating projects you seen in school are due to that.
Nailed it ^^^^^^^^.
It's very conceptual and will most likely change in the coming days. I appreciate all the feedback! Awesome stuff.
conceptual idea ≠ cornceptual idea
Check it out. This idea provides more floors for farming without going going too high in the sky. Thoughts?
Your slabs are still absurdly thin.
They will be 1'-2' thick, right now it's just trying to get the form/function solidified before detailing everything out.
Didn't Lafarge come up with some ridiculously strong carbonfiber/concrete mix? Heck maybe just go to a carbon fiber honeycomb, might work. Similar to the Arup carbonfiber towers. As long as budget's not an issue.
Maybe filling the space with helium would help?
not practical... but heck who cares.
Assuming post-tensioned concrete, your structural slabs will be 8" to 10" thick with a maximum span of around 30 feet to 35 feet and maximum cantilever of around 10 feet. If you don't have any shear walls (which you clearly don't) then all your columns will have to act as moment frames. That increases their size and means they'll all have flares at the capitals for moment load transfer.
Then, below the slabs, you'll have all your HVAC and lighting. You can expose that stuff, but it costs a lot of money to make it pretty.
Exposing the slab edges through the curtain wall like you've shown is a great way to let water leak through the envelope and create spalling problems on the slabs if you're in a climate where it gets cold. If you want that look, you're going to need to wrap the slab edges with something. That will make them appear a good deal thicker than what you've got shown.
And then all those floating UFO things look like they'll have some exiting issues if they're for anything other than large residential units...
gwahrton, don't take this the wrong way but that post kinda turns me on. I love when people know what they're talking about, especially when they're talking about architecture.
If there's any real information to be gleaned from this thread it's how to get Donna hot.
LOL Miles my husband is the only one who *really* does that. But Brad Pitt talking about design comes pretty close.
Surprising, you guys aren't getting far off topic.
No, this won't work, but Brad Pitt will.
I forgot to mention that even a PT slab system will have all kinds of dropped beams between the columns, especially if you're doing moment frames.
***makes suggestive, alluring look***
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