Plagirazing the plagiarism busters, I would like to kick off Archinect's first 'The Plagiarius Awards'. I'll start with an all time classic to illustrate the mind set. It is limited to examples of plagiaristic architecture.
Better than the original plagiaristic examples are welcome and encouraged.
In chess, they say, "every move you make has been done before." Chicken or the egg?
Award; TBA
in the shine vs. som case judge Michael Mukhasey (now the US Atty General) ruled that there were enough similiarities in the 2 designs for the case to proceed, but i haven't seen anything further on it.
for a whole item on plagiarism and copycats, check MARK Magazine
, one of the back issues #5, dec/jan 2007.
on-line only in flash, but anywho, it's mostly about established architects that are being copied in China, almost litterally, it's shocking but also fascinating at he same time, enjoy if you can...
The reenactment Villa Savoye pictured at the top of this thread is not necessarily the product of plagiarism, for, if the architect of this new house acknowledged Le Corbusier and his Villa Savoye design, then no plagiarism is involved. The architect of the Villa Savoye reenactment may be guilty of copyright infringement, however. (Plagiarism and copyright infringement are not same exact thing.)
Likewise, the reenactionary City Hall of Izmir is not necessarily the product of plagiarism if the architect acknowledged the City Hall of Boston. Moreover, the powers-that-be of Izmir may have even requested that their new City Hall be like the City Hall of Boston. Here, copyright infringement is not an issue because the City Hall of Izmir is not a close-to-exact reenactment of the City Hall of Boston.
Architectural design inspiration often manifests a form of reenactment.
^^yes, i acknowledged.
the studio project had to be mimicked and inspired by corbu. each student had a different architect to work with. some did mies, flw, aalto, sterling, there were even meier, bofill and graves projects, who were huge names back then. somebody wanted to do a gaudi project but teacher said it would be too specific!
i could change the name of the thread but i like the sound and impact of the plagiarism better. and remember, we are awarding not punishing.
thanks for republishing my school project.
Feb 10, 08 11:29 am ·
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Raymond is wrong in stating "It does not matter from where we take anything" because the first thing that should be done with what is "taken" is to acknowledge the source.
Raymond's not acknowledging Le Corbusier's design is exactly what got him in trouble.
Feb 10, 08 11:34 am ·
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Orhan, it's funny, I never imagined the clarifying of a situation as a form of punishment. Then again, it has often been said that "the [impact of] truth hurts."
My memory about these things is not good ,and I know I tend to over expose --- but do anyone remenber some towers simular to these ;
The funny thing about it is, that something very simular was in play, I was surprised about that, as years before I published this at another Yahoo group --- and very soon after I here, in this fora , placed this image documenting that, --- these towers was forgot about.
I don't know it that had anything to do with that. --- But they was quite simular.
Agrea ,there are some thing smooth about them .... now that leave for me, one important question though, -- how to make the foundations the structure , as smooth. See I wonder if today's structural aproach is enough.
the trouble is context...strictly speaking, no two projects have the same context and conseuently no two projects could really be the same unless they were in the same spot...the only differene would be (possibly) a temporal one...which reminds me...isn't there a japanese temple that has been built, demolished and rebuilt for something like the past 1500 years?...i'm streching my memory here (and i'm re-enacting my forth drink this evening now) but i think it was called something like the shinjin temple
no...that's not right...maybe it is right...i don't know...somebody please confirm or deny this for me
puddles, you might be thinking of the Ise Shrine, which is rebuilt every 20 years on an exact copy of the site right next to it. So one site lays fallow, with the shrine built on its copy.
Archinect's The Plagiarius Awards Gallery
Plagirazing the plagiarism busters, I would like to kick off Archinect's first 'The Plagiarius Awards'. I'll start with an all time classic to illustrate the mind set. It is limited to examples of plagiaristic architecture.
Better than the original plagiaristic examples are welcome and encouraged.
In chess, they say, "every move you make has been done before." Chicken or the egg?
Award; TBA
Is hat car really big, is that Villa really small?
They missed a great opportunity when designing their museum. Should have been a mini Bilbao or Louvre.
Now someone needs to copy their design.
Ronchamp in China
Related: cloning architecture - a global search
I think this was missed back when I was a full-time school blogger.
Anyone know what ever happened in this case?
o'neill house, beverly hills.
gaudi love.
in the shine vs. som case judge Michael Mukhasey (now the US Atty General) ruled that there were enough similiarities in the 2 designs for the case to proceed, but i haven't seen anything further on it.
...
Siza, Souto de Moura and Balmond/Arup
Per Corell
for a whole item on plagiarism and copycats, check MARK Magazine
, one of the back issues #5, dec/jan 2007.
on-line only in flash, but anywho, it's mostly about established architects that are being copied in China, almost litterally, it's shocking but also fascinating at he same time, enjoy if you can...
MARK
AP, I posted a picture of that from our Arup lecture on TC! How funny.
There's a Ronchamp in China?!?!
Burj Dubai:
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One Museum Park:
city hall of boston, mass.
city hall of izmir, turkey
The reenactment Villa Savoye pictured at the top of this thread is not necessarily the product of plagiarism, for, if the architect of this new house acknowledged Le Corbusier and his Villa Savoye design, then no plagiarism is involved. The architect of the Villa Savoye reenactment may be guilty of copyright infringement, however. (Plagiarism and copyright infringement are not same exact thing.)
Likewise, the reenactionary City Hall of Izmir is not necessarily the product of plagiarism if the architect acknowledged the City Hall of Boston. Moreover, the powers-that-be of Izmir may have even requested that their new City Hall be like the City Hall of Boston. Here, copyright infringement is not an issue because the City Hall of Izmir is not a close-to-exact reenactment of the City Hall of Boston.
Architectural design inspiration often manifests a form of reenactment.
Orhan, You acknowledge Le Corbusier now, but did you acknowledge Le Corbusier and his Olivetti Center design back in 1980?
Q: What comes after Infringement Complex?
A: Architecture of the Loop-Hole Universe.
what about studio projects from school that look suspiciously like something famous?
Again, architectural design inspiration often manifests a form of reenactment.
If a student acknowledges their inspirational source, then there is no plagiarism involved.
Reenactment is a(n often utilized yet unacknowledged) powerful learning tool.
-Antonin Raymond
taken from Smokety's link, posted above
^^yes, i acknowledged.
the studio project had to be mimicked and inspired by corbu. each student had a different architect to work with. some did mies, flw, aalto, sterling, there were even meier, bofill and graves projects, who were huge names back then. somebody wanted to do a gaudi project but teacher said it would be too specific!
i could change the name of the thread but i like the sound and impact of the plagiarism better. and remember, we are awarding not punishing.
thanks for republishing my school project.
Raymond is wrong in stating "It does not matter from where we take anything" because the first thing that should be done with what is "taken" is to acknowledge the source.
Raymond's not acknowledging Le Corbusier's design is exactly what got him in trouble.
Orhan, it's funny, I never imagined the clarifying of a situation as a form of punishment. Then again, it has often been said that "the [impact of] truth hurts."
i need pictures...
well, this is one i've been wondering about lately...
posted at bldgblog on feb 2007
and
developed during fall 2007 at columbia
George Washington Slept Here:
My memory about these things is not good ,and I know I tend to over expose --- but do anyone remenber some towers simular to these ;
The funny thing about it is, that something very simular was in play, I was surprised about that, as years before I published this at another Yahoo group --- and very soon after I here, in this fora , placed this image documenting that, --- these towers was forgot about.
I don't know it that had anything to do with that. --- But they was quite simular.
See, I told you Architecture of the Loop-Hole Universe comes after infringement complex (with acknowledgement, of course).
when two isn't enough
Hey twist 1 and twist 2, welcome to the neighborhood!
Agrea ,there are some thing smooth about them .... now that leave for me, one important question though, -- how to make the foundations the structure , as smooth. See I wonder if today's structural aproach is enough.
and now you have an eighties era Hadid
metamechanic, once you're in the Loop-Hole Universe you find there's room for just about anything, so infringement doesn't even exist.
"Ha, ha, did your sister."
the trouble is context...strictly speaking, no two projects have the same context and conseuently no two projects could really be the same unless they were in the same spot...the only differene would be (possibly) a temporal one...which reminds me...isn't there a japanese temple that has been built, demolished and rebuilt for something like the past 1500 years?...i'm streching my memory here (and i'm re-enacting my forth drink this evening now) but i think it was called something like the shinjin temple
no...that's not right...maybe it is right...i don't know...somebody please confirm or deny this for me
puddles, i think you're thinking of shinto temples, which are rebuilt after a set number of years.
Holy helix, Batman, we have a winner!
puddles, you might be thinking of the Ise Shrine, which is rebuilt every 20 years on an exact copy of the site right next to it. So one site lays fallow, with the shrine built on its copy.
via
here a quack, there a quack
everywhere a reenactionary quack quack
Will the metaphor ever be shed?
plagiarism lineage of the death star:
Heerim Architects - Hotel Full Moon in Baku:
OMA - Waterfront City, Dubai:
OMA - Ras al Khaimah Convention and Exhibition Centre (self referential plagiarism?):
Panasonic - R-70 transistor radio:
various galactic empire contractors - Death Star 1:
various galactic empire contractors - Death Star II (on hold):
God(s?) - saturn moon Mimas:
I was at the firm that did 1 museum park when it was being concieved and Burj Dubai was well past designed by then, and starting foundations.
either way theyre both horrendous buildings
CHRIST
i thought the monorail ran right next to the EMP
Remove the cello and that project could actually be completely serious ^^
Orhan, I bet its got a great piano nobile.
, screw you. screw you anyway.
LOL, Liebchen!
inspiration. open 24 hours....
i know andy goldsworthy spotted that rust stained pile of rubble i had near my back gate.
and that first photo"? yeah. i've seen a lot of buildings wrapped in tyvek.
lattice, sponge..
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1406/1418397541_486644698e.jpg
http://www.cartype.com/images/page/Cadillac-Coupe-de-Ville_56.jpg
http://www.herriotts.com/images/wedding/PodiumWhiteLattice.JPG
http://www.turkeypipe.com/pipo_47.htm
http://catering-equipment-supply.markmagic.co.za/images/bakery%20-%20lattice%20cutter%20plastic.jpg
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/20417/20417-h/images/image199a.jpg
http://i.pbase.com/o4/57/598857/1/54324029.spongef.jpg
http://www.georgehernandez.com/h/aaBlog/2006/media/06-15-NanoAssemblylBySponges.jpg
http://life.bio.sunysb.edu/marinebio/ch_11.jpg
http://www.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/2005/050707.cob_275x251.jpg
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