It'll take my office another 6 or 7 years to get around to getting it so no troubles here.

your lucky.

Whats so bad about the new text? We are thinking of switching to it, we just haven't gotten all of our tags and such switched over, and no 'new' jobs to start the process on. It seems like an awesome idea, though.

make the switch, IntelliCAD ;) save the office so much money they will have to get you a raise!

2008 is slow and cumbersome - like vista. Im not sure why companies who have awesome dominant products find it neesessary to overload them with ram intensive shit but I still go hame and pound away on 2000 - much faster program.

That said - 2008 is still better than archicad or vector for 2d

like i said they are forcing us to go open source by their own bloat

what i like about 2000 is that you can do online DWF's

for instance: http://members.cox.net/vegitan/autocad.htm

to bad autodesk stop developing the activeX Whipp plugin and changed to voloview only grr

...Sarah Hamilton


basically my opinion is that the new way of doing things is slow and complicated.

i i mentioned. cad was simple and i was fast. now its slow and complicated

also we have issues with giving our plans to anyone with a lesser version of cad.. the text isnt entirely backwards compatible.

I never will hate autocad.... I hare people who dont know how to use it properly, then send the files to consultants...and then struggle begins on the otherside...


I dont hate autocad....Because its really simple.. sometimes when other software, for whatever issue (pc, not enough ram) is not doing what its suppose to do you know you can always count on AutoCAD, you know it will never let you down...

I am not agianst learning new 3d software, but you must know CAD...

I had an autocad dealer calling me last week wondering if I wanted to upgrade my single seat autocad lite 2007 to autocad 2008 bim....
I told him bim is a bum and that is not a bum in the oven. I explained why I hated Autocad so much that I doubt if he will ever attempt to call me again. I think it is a bag of crap when the computer industry follows the automobile industry in how they deal with older programs....sorry we can't support that project anymore...
aka 2000 autocad. Actually I think a class action law suit might be the answer. I never recall seeing anything in the small print which says we will no longer provide support for this package after five years.

i LOVE bim.. my firm is all about revit. but CAD specifically needs to stay simple because if they dont every version of cad will be more like bim and eventually they will just phase out cad.

Rhinoceros and IntelliCAD will just take over and Autodesk will melt away is my hope
they only deal in aesthetics(sic) and hostile take overs in my opinion

d.fix you always count on autocad and pc's with low ram? hmmm

Ha ha ha ha ha. High hopes. Once they get scared by a software, they buy it. That's the American way.

McNeel would never sell. You saw what happened they used to be a autodesk reseller(making the best modeling tools for autocad i must say) and when their product eclipsed autocad (Aug. 2 years ago) autodesk cut them off sensing the threat.

Besides, it is a worked owned company and i am sure you will get no consensus to sell or allow any hostile takeover as it is not publicly traded either, having the one of the most progressive license policies less open source

does the associative hatching still suck?

i hate how autodesk feels that they basically have to change the interface everytime they release a new version of CAD

what do the engineers use?

autocad 14 ?

Am I the only one that thinks even the bloate4d ACAD is still better than the others? Actualy Autodesk makes an awesome suite of tools. I love them.

what 'release' of IntelliCAD are people using instead? every time I look into it I just get confused.

Maybe Adobe will buy Cinema 4D or Rhino or something, add a cad program and put Autodesk out of biz.

Probably not, but I'll cheer for it. Just like I'll cheer for Microsoft's downfall, even though I need them.

Wait, the only reason I need MS is because of Acad and Max!!

more probable is Blender and IntelliCAD and Gimp get some code cross pollination.

a new UI and offer a free solution for all

i don't mind acad2008. the annotative thing just means that you don't have to draw multiple tags every time you want to lay out a drawing in a different scale.

there's probably a better way to do it, but it's still better than acad2007.

graham

interesting thoughts on the software/application battle...
maybe SketchUp will rise up and achieve world dominance :)

not

Funny how everyone is crazy in love with Rhino because it knows how to make double curved facades and scripts like a mofo, but at the end 99.9% of the buildings built in the USA are orthogonal boxes.

to witch it also excels at

Can you make construction documents in Rhino. Does it cut a hole in the wall when you place a door in it? Can you schedule the areas or windows? Do walls clean up automatically when they intersect? Do floors attach to automatically to walls? Does the model update automatically when you make changes in floorplans, sections or elevations?

I don't know much about Rhino so therefore i'm asking these questions. Can anyone post a screenschot of a builing modeled in Rhino? I only see vacuumcleaners and phone models when I google rhino.

with the VisualArq plug in you can get lazy/BIM doors windows.
http://www.visualarq.com/
it looks like your background is ADT based on the questions you are asking?

personally i prefer to punch my own and build my own blocks or source them from your existing cad ones

you can do all that with scripting, ask and coders will surely help, that is the way rhino has been built by user input and a open beta development cycle. look for v5 soon

you have the power to manually control everything more, so you are less in the box if you know what i mean.

developing your own routines or asking at the newsgroup and i am sure you will get much help and good answers.

http://news2.mcneel.com/scripts/dnewsweb.exe?cmd=xover&group=rhino

I'd say it's all a matter of how holistic you want to be with the time/quality ratio always factoring in