so sam spade, so create some more meaningful threads. You.
I like to chat with other architects, I think I relate better to them than the public at large and I love how interesting conversations erupt out of nothing. Part of what draws me to architecture is this instant commonality among the members. It was part of the culture in school (mine, at least) that very different people who all had architecture in common were really great friends and could candidly discuss most anything in most any way. For me, it's a carryover from those days when I had 50 archifriends to talk to and draw from as resources and confidants. I would never discuss what I had for breakfast (breakfast burrito with green sauce, espresso with 2% milk and turbinado sugar and fresh squeezed grapefruit juice) with a group of random people on the web, but I would with my archi-e-friends. Hi guys! Archinect is a beautiful thing.
Archinect is not only privately owned/operated, it's also (to the best of my knowledge, correct me if I'm mistaken) run by a few people in their spare time. No one's paid a salary and working 9-5 to hang out and make sure everything goes smoothly, every link/image gets approved, and every naggling troll gets the boot. In light of that extra-curricular contribution, this resource is even more awesome. It was/is a LOT of back-end work. OK, admittedly I know very little about web development, but that's because it kind of boggles my mind.
lb I think you opened up a whole new can of worms... ;)
Expanding on some of the thoughts here, this discussion brings up interesting issues about the nature of community in general. What kind of patterns occur around forming maintainting and adjusting the boundaries of a community.
What happens when people feel like they belong to a group - do they generate a kind of city wall around the community - a secret knock for entry? is there a community gauntlet? Are there alternates to this pattern, or is it the nature of how groups of people operate?
As Archinect pointed out, the anonymity of the net creates issues for communities - Without the social checks that normally encourage people to behave in a friendly manner (for fear of public shame) will you always get trolls at the periphery?
"I think we've all been to meetings where everyone had a really good time, we're all talking to one another and telling jokes and laughing, and it was a great meeting, except we got nothing done. Everyone was amusing themselves so much that the group's goal was defeated by the individual interventions."
OK, one more thing then really I'm going to leave this alone and get back to work.
There's a line in the book "Zippy" in which the 12 year old protagonist is upset because her best friend got the exact same Christmas present that she (the protagonist - Zippy) had asked for. Tearful Zippy said to her mom "How could she have asked for the same thing as me, didn't she even think about how it would upset me if she got it and I didn't?!?" to which her mom gently took Zippy's face in her hands and said "Honey, as you get older you'll start to realize it's not that she wasn't thinking about hurting your feelings, she just wasn't thinking about you at all".
I have noticed recently that here's your sign, jafidler, and [on my way have made some good comments. I also may well have blasted each of them two days ago for comments they made that I disagreed with. I can't/don't keep track of every single person and their comments, school, geographic location, favorite architect, etc. on this site. As people are here longer, I start to be able to distinguish them from one another. But I may blast someone one day for liking Howard Kunstler but applaud them the next day for liking Zaha. I can't always keep track.
The point being: on the level of an anonymous web forum, it's not personal. Don't be afraid, post away, discussion is better than silence. (Also, I just remembered that I'm not actually anonymous, as my profile says exactly who I am. I may even put my cell number on it ;)
samspade, you are totally right on! I hate Apple computers. Still, there always seems to be 15 different threads about "should I buy a mac???" going on at any one time. If archinect cared about my feelings they wouldn't allow such drivel.
i think we all build up a pretty thick skin through all this. any comment could offend someone and probably does. i think it's a good idea to take all of this with a grain of salt. no offense taken and none meant.
wow jafidler.....that after you said what you said to me?
"squirrelly, i at least thought you'd be above this. oh well..."
grain of salt my friend, and it doesn't hurt anyone to (at times) instill a little quirky comment. I mean serious or not (as the threads may be) we are still human and (at least some of us) require a little fun, or even sillyness.
So yeah jafidler, Im not an uptight type (not saying you are), and I do enjoy comical banter occasionally. It makes my day go by quicker!
You should try it, if you already don't. (I know you are a bright fellow - from our other interactions).
without archinect, with its 4 quality threads and hundreds of useless ones, we would all be forced to do "work" and actually produce some sort of product at the end of the day. now who would ever want that to happen?
well, haven't gone thru all the posts, but honestly i miss the old 'nect - where people would flame each other, tear each other to bits all the time.
Just look at how everyone has got defensive about their mannerisms and attitudes - i think part of it stems from getting mature etc., but, at the same time a little more constructive criticism would be good...much better than voting for people for banal one-liner designs, or voting on marriage competitions.
i guess im rambling all over the place now, but you get my drift...
i just think the biggest irony is that the very topic about staying on the topic of architecture and design begins with a question about whether any of us have seen a certain movie.
What the newbies are forgetting is that we were once all newbies.
I remember seeing this site around 2001. Then, it was just as 'hard' to break in. Back then it seemed to be the domain of sci-arc, and there were people like psycho-mullet, philip gentlemen, nancy manguy, ginger 'snaps' and others I can't even remember.
The same rule applies now as it did then. The quality of your posts determines your standing. Understanding the in-jokes is secondary. I am not even from the US and have only been there once so most of the in-jokes I have no idea of. There are numerous posters here that are not Americans or Europeans who are always going to be outsiders to an extent.
I dont give a rats arse about what kind of school you get into, because for one, I have little idea about the schools in the US [apart from MIT, sci-arc and GSD] and my schooling is behind me. The whole ninja thing escaped me, as did the catfish thing.
If I feel like I need to understand what is being talked about, I will research it [google and wikipedia are pretty handy].
If I remember a thread or have an idea for a thread I will search for it. If it exists I will add to the existing. If not, I will create a new one. I have started threads that I believe are important, only to get flooded with jokes and smart comments. I persist.
This site has a lot of functionality that can be used so that contribution is easy and worthwhile. How to post an image tends to crop up all the time, but the instructions are right there. Even if they were'nt, you can find out how to do it elsewhere.
It's not hard.
You deserve to get pummeled if you ask half-baked, expedient, under-reserached questions. We are supposed to be a professional community here - but even then, this forum is about our lives as well as our profession.
I remember when Liberty Bell, WonderK and Vado Retro were newbies.
Really, everyone, go check out the News section. There's a lot of good stuff there, all architecture or design related, and hardly anyone ever posts on those items. But when people do post, it's generally NOT the ridiculously humorous banter that I so deeply enjoy here in the Discussions.
Archinect blows?
so sam spade, so create some more meaningful threads. You.
I like to chat with other architects, I think I relate better to them than the public at large and I love how interesting conversations erupt out of nothing. Part of what draws me to architecture is this instant commonality among the members. It was part of the culture in school (mine, at least) that very different people who all had architecture in common were really great friends and could candidly discuss most anything in most any way. For me, it's a carryover from those days when I had 50 archifriends to talk to and draw from as resources and confidants. I would never discuss what I had for breakfast (breakfast burrito with green sauce, espresso with 2% milk and turbinado sugar and fresh squeezed grapefruit juice) with a group of random people on the web, but I would with my archi-e-friends. Hi guys! Archinect is a beautiful thing.
lb
Im glad you like porn...so do I
Archinect is not only privately owned/operated, it's also (to the best of my knowledge, correct me if I'm mistaken) run by a few people in their spare time. No one's paid a salary and working 9-5 to hang out and make sure everything goes smoothly, every link/image gets approved, and every naggling troll gets the boot. In light of that extra-curricular contribution, this resource is even more awesome. It was/is a LOT of back-end work. OK, admittedly I know very little about web development, but that's because it kind of boggles my mind.
lb I think you opened up a whole new can of worms... ;)
Oh, geez, how did I know mdLer was going to jump in with that comment? <3
Expanding on some of the thoughts here, this discussion brings up interesting issues about the nature of community in general. What kind of patterns occur around forming maintainting and adjusting the boundaries of a community.
What happens when people feel like they belong to a group - do they generate a kind of city wall around the community - a secret knock for entry? is there a community gauntlet? Are there alternates to this pattern, or is it the nature of how groups of people operate?
As Archinect pointed out, the anonymity of the net creates issues for communities - Without the social checks that normally encourage people to behave in a friendly manner (for fear of public shame) will you always get trolls at the periphery?
I want my name back ---
in today's news:
Online Anonymity Lets Users Gets Nasty
This article by Clay Shirky is also related (and really interesting):
A Group is its Own Worst Enemy
"I think we've all been to meetings where everyone had a really good time, we're all talking to one another and telling jokes and laughing, and it was a great meeting, except we got nothing done. Everyone was amusing themselves so much that the group's goal was defeated by the individual interventions."
OK, one more thing then really I'm going to leave this alone and get back to work.
There's a line in the book "Zippy" in which the 12 year old protagonist is upset because her best friend got the exact same Christmas present that she (the protagonist - Zippy) had asked for. Tearful Zippy said to her mom "How could she have asked for the same thing as me, didn't she even think about how it would upset me if she got it and I didn't?!?" to which her mom gently took Zippy's face in her hands and said "Honey, as you get older you'll start to realize it's not that she wasn't thinking about hurting your feelings, she just wasn't thinking about you at all".
I have noticed recently that here's your sign, jafidler, and [on my way have made some good comments. I also may well have blasted each of them two days ago for comments they made that I disagreed with. I can't/don't keep track of every single person and their comments, school, geographic location, favorite architect, etc. on this site. As people are here longer, I start to be able to distinguish them from one another. But I may blast someone one day for liking Howard Kunstler but applaud them the next day for liking Zaha. I can't always keep track.
The point being: on the level of an anonymous web forum, it's not personal. Don't be afraid, post away, discussion is better than silence. (Also, I just remembered that I'm not actually anonymous, as my profile says exactly who I am. I may even put my cell number on it ;)
namby
you...me...a double toliet stall
samspade, you are totally right on! I hate Apple computers. Still, there always seems to be 15 different threads about "should I buy a mac???" going on at any one time. If archinect cared about my feelings they wouldn't allow such drivel.
i think we all build up a pretty thick skin through all this. any comment could offend someone and probably does. i think it's a good idea to take all of this with a grain of salt. no offense taken and none meant.
wow jafidler.....that after you said what you said to me?
"squirrelly, i at least thought you'd be above this. oh well..."
grain of salt my friend, and it doesn't hurt anyone to (at times) instill a little quirky comment. I mean serious or not (as the threads may be) we are still human and (at least some of us) require a little fun, or even sillyness.
So yeah jafidler, Im not an uptight type (not saying you are), and I do enjoy comical banter occasionally. It makes my day go by quicker!
You should try it, if you already don't. (I know you are a bright fellow - from our other interactions).
I am gassy today.
I want my name back !
without archinect, with its 4 quality threads and hundreds of useless ones, we would all be forced to do "work" and actually produce some sort of product at the end of the day. now who would ever want that to happen?
jasoncross
I have the farts as well
vindpust is not human.
post-neo, I shudder at being that productive.
well, haven't gone thru all the posts, but honestly i miss the old 'nect - where people would flame each other, tear each other to bits all the time.
Just look at how everyone has got defensive about their mannerisms and attitudes - i think part of it stems from getting mature etc., but, at the same time a little more constructive criticism would be good...much better than voting for people for banal one-liner designs, or voting on marriage competitions.
i guess im rambling all over the place now, but you get my drift...
i just think the biggest irony is that the very topic about staying on the topic of architecture and design begins with a question about whether any of us have seen a certain movie.
my first posts appeared here. damn we had passion back in the day. now we are just a bunch of bourgie sell outs who come here to get our egos stroked.
Amazing vado... that entire thread and not one link to youtube!
Lib - kudos on the honesty - I think we should all follow suit, but she we all wait for Vado birthday?
What the newbies are forgetting is that we were once all newbies.
I remember seeing this site around 2001. Then, it was just as 'hard' to break in. Back then it seemed to be the domain of sci-arc, and there were people like psycho-mullet, philip gentlemen, nancy manguy, ginger 'snaps' and others I can't even remember.
The same rule applies now as it did then. The quality of your posts determines your standing. Understanding the in-jokes is secondary. I am not even from the US and have only been there once so most of the in-jokes I have no idea of. There are numerous posters here that are not Americans or Europeans who are always going to be outsiders to an extent.
I dont give a rats arse about what kind of school you get into, because for one, I have little idea about the schools in the US [apart from MIT, sci-arc and GSD] and my schooling is behind me. The whole ninja thing escaped me, as did the catfish thing.
If I feel like I need to understand what is being talked about, I will research it [google and wikipedia are pretty handy].
If I remember a thread or have an idea for a thread I will search for it. If it exists I will add to the existing. If not, I will create a new one. I have started threads that I believe are important, only to get flooded with jokes and smart comments. I persist.
This site has a lot of functionality that can be used so that contribution is easy and worthwhile. How to post an image tends to crop up all the time, but the instructions are right there. Even if they were'nt, you can find out how to do it elsewhere.
It's not hard.
You deserve to get pummeled if you ask half-baked, expedient, under-reserached questions. We are supposed to be a professional community here - but even then, this forum is about our lives as well as our profession.
I remember when Liberty Bell, WonderK and Vado Retro were newbies.
Excellent post, dia.
Really, everyone, go check out the News section. There's a lot of good stuff there, all architecture or design related, and hardly anyone ever posts on those items. But when people do post, it's generally NOT the ridiculously humorous banter that I so deeply enjoy here in the Discussions.
I get a warm fuzzy feeling when somebody posts on my news article...
the best part about the 'net is not the destination anyways, it's all the crazy stuff you find meanwhile. same with archinect.
oh, and you don't need over a thousand posts to be recognized here, I know personalities that have 20-30 posts cause they are good posts.
why havent i been interviewed by orhan? this is an interview that would really blow.
and then there are those who change their name so much that they fail to establish an ongoing presence.... it's like being a newbie every other month!
rationalist,
you god damned fascist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hmmmm
calling people retards, and posting Hitler (ref to Le Bon herd behaviour?) - those are some broad strokes
i just don't like the 'newbies-blow' attitude. you say high-school, I say sore wrists.
yeah yeah; go to hell I-eat-chocoballs-naked-on-a-white-sofa
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