ok so here is my problema
i got a 2.6 gpa i want to go to Notre dame
i've already spent 3 years at a college and dont think i can make it with the Gpa that i have
option 1 go to another school and start all over
option 2 continue and do better on the rest of the classes
here is the catch i have 10 W (withdrawls) my transcript aint looking pretty
what should i do
Frankly, I don't know if any other school would accept you, unless you somehow have a truly kick-ass portfolio. I really think you've only got option #2.
Going to Notre Dame to study architecture? You're right, that would be the road to hell. You better study the Greek orders and learn how to incorporate a peristyle into every building.
see here is the deal I dont know why but when i was younger i hyt saw myself there '
ofcourse there is other schools to go to that are near me great schools but somehow i feel like if i wont feel accomplished if i dont go there
When I was younger I saw Rudy too, but I don't want to re-design the Parthenon. There are a lot of schools in the mid-west worth checking out. Where are you at now? Are you an archi major? What is wrong with the current program (other than you not being able to pass a majority of the classes)? Why do you need to go to Notre Dame to feel accomplished? Sometimes, just getting my ass out of bed in the morning makes me feel accomplished.
It would seem that if you want to go to Notre Dame, you would want to go to Notre Dame and no where else. It's my understanding that their program is the only one in the US teaching classical architecture.
ivace, this may be a stupid question, but is that why you are interested in Notre Dame?
Funny but no It wasnt Ruddy though i could see why you would think that. I'm in Los Angeles we got great schools like Sci-Arc , USC Woodbury and other good ones maybe i'm just tired of living in LA.
I was thinking the same thing.
Listen Lad......You need to really research schools. Understand their underlined manifesto, and or the manifesto of the dept chair, or dean, because this will give you insight into the programme you will be getting into. Furthermore, know what it is you like about architecture and go where you will flourish in that particular programme.
There are programmes out there that may overlook the whole GPA thing, if you have a portfolio that shows conviction. So don't close yourself off on ND.....as it is, it's probably not the best place to go to, unless you subscribe to their teachings/style there.
Sometimes getting away from the environment that you've been living for the last 20 years is necessary to reboot yourself
Why- Indiana I cant really say why because i myself dont know
Going to another city country would probably do the trick but Notre dame maybe its just the Ego perhaps i just want to say that i went to a Top rated school. Why lie right
you could but giving the fact that i have 2 classes i have to retake i could possibly be back at 2.8 its not great but i still have a couple of GE's i need to take so I'm looking at possibly ending up with 3.0
that's if everything goes right
arch schools are their own animal, ivace. i feel fairly confident in saying that architecture at notre dame is different from 'notre dame', just as the tulane architecture experience was different from most tulane students' experiences, cornell arch is different from cornell, etc. you need to know what architecture school you want to attend, not what university.
What about pursuing Notre Dame in some other field - art history? liberal arts? general studies? - that might be an easier department to get accepted to. Get your undergrad degree, then if you still feel like you want to pursue architecture get a Master's somewhere else.
I strongly identify with the desire to leave your hometown and go "somewhere else" - anywhere else, really - for school. To try something new, broaden your horizons, have an adventure, etc. Personally I think the experience of uprooting yourself is a significant part of the education that college gives you.
Of course I desperately want to leave Indiana, so I can't quite sympathize with your desire to come here.
I am failing to see the need to go to ND to feel accomplished. What is more important than the program? Especially when we are talking abouit one of this type?
Wait, is there someone special currently at ND? I don't get it!
Garpike-it's like when you were a little kid didnt you ever want something that made you say when i grow up i want to be here, have this, be this.(figure of speech) if you desire it much once you grow older your life would not be complete unless you do what you wanted to do when you were a kid. did that kinda explain it or did i just creat more trench holes
who wouldn't want to drive a cement a truck?! Especially if you're building a bridge-as they do in those Discovery channel shows-building monster things. I would do that...but my real job is AutoCAD-ing, which I need to get back to
Sometimes when I AutoCAD, I pretend I am behind the wheel of a cement truck, going to pour someone a new driveway, or pave a new road, or build a new bridge. I also often pretend I am invisible, but that's a whole other story.
ivace, yes I have felt that feeling before. But I would hope, for professional reasons (including those things that would make your life progress) you would reconsider such a blind acceptance of a program so specialized. The fact that Notre Dame and SCI-Arc appear in the same thread astounds me. You'd be much much better off using Chili's method so you can find a proram that suits you. Or maybe careers mean nothing and justified t-shirts mean the world. To each his own.
whilst we do have some cynics and peanuts in the gallery, some comments are really light-hearted humor, don't take it personally. Furthermore, I think you need to adhere to what Steve suggested up there:
you need to know WHAT ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL you wish to attend, not which UNI.
I think you need time to reflect on these things. By no means does this limit you from leaving LA and california...I did, but it was only after I got my 1st professional degree (b.arch). Partly for me was cause I was paying for my own school and didn't have parents giving me money to go to school/paying for school.
i seriously think i would hang myself if i wound up at a program like ND, being stuck in the past. hell, i'm glad u of miami rejected me. now i'm working with a style of architecture i like and kicking academic ass in the process. ivace, be sure you can look beyond the name of a school, don't go somewhere just because it has that name recognition to it.
With 10 withdrawls, I think you should seriously consider enrolling...in a JOB.
I don't say that to a catty, a-hole manner, but my sense is that you are looking for a place to run away to. Leaving Los Angeles for rural Indiana after a mediocre GPA and 10 withdrawls?? According to my math, I think you need to take a step back and realize that earning an education is a priviledge (even for Notre Dame) and perhaps stepping into the shoes of the uneducated working class would make you realize that.
i see no problem with studying classical architecture. it is not as if what is studied in most universities is any more applicable in the real world. in fact, as long as the prevailing wind is blowing toward "traditional" architecture, i would appreciate it if people knew a thing or two about entablatures, friezes, architraves etc... if you want to go to a particular uni, i suggest just moving to that city, in this case south bend/mishawaka and enrolling in n.d's continuing ed or part time classes etc, that are open to the general populace. after getting a few good grades doing that, i would then apply to the uni.
squirrelly about not taking anything personal i know most people in the architecture field seem completely heartless assholes or whatever i know cuz i am like that and well most of my classmates are like that its the stress of the job or maybe it's because mommy and dady didnt give us enough attention when we were kids boo hoo
squirrelly its all good i get it no hard feelings
buy a ND sweatshirt, bumper sticker, license plate holder, coffee mug, window decal for the car, one of those car window flag things, trapper keeper, etc...
show up at the local community college on the first day of class with all the above mentioned swag
When I was a kid in CA I wanted desperately to live in Boston, "where the history was"... so after college I moved there, and it sucked, and so I left that sucker far behind, and now I am happy again.
Indiana also sucks, trust me. They have undercover traffic cops there who pull you over on the interstate in a beat-up 1987 Ford Mustang!!!
i grew up in indiana just down the road from notre dame. it sucked
i moved to boston to write songs for a rock n roll band. it sucked
i moved back to indiana to go to college. it sucked
i moved to new mexico to go to grad school it sucked
i moved to chicago to work in architecture. it sucked
i moved backed to indiana just the road from notre dame. it sucked
i moved to indianapolis from where i type my sucking biography...
If it was a B.A. in Architecture, I would say it go ahead, since you'd have to get a Masters elsewhere anyhow, and the strength of a 4 year degree is much more dependent on the quality of the non-architecture curriculum than anything else.
However, ND's program is a B.Arch, and it is laughable to think that anyone coming out of the program is fit for licensure without a lot of additional self-directed learning. I was a juror on a 4th year crit in Rome, and the program seemed totally focused on denying modernity. I don't mean modernity in the aesthetic sense.
In brief:
-If you are intent on going to ND, change your major. May I suggest pre-law? Try getting around the GPA problem by working your ass off for a semester and getting an atheletic scholarship to a non-revenue sport.
-Apply to Ball State, which is perfectly decent, and visit your girlfriend on weekends. I didn't read the whole thread. There is a girlfriend, right?
-Go to any other architecture school, and find a new girlfriend.
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ok so here is my problema
i got a 2.6 gpa i want to go to Notre dame
i've already spent 3 years at a college and dont think i can make it with the Gpa that i have
option 1 go to another school and start all over
option 2 continue and do better on the rest of the classes
here is the catch i have 10 W (withdrawls) my transcript aint looking pretty
what should i do
Frankly, I don't know if any other school would accept you, unless you somehow have a truly kick-ass portfolio. I really think you've only got option #2.
Going to Notre Dame to study architecture? You're right, that would be the road to hell. You better study the Greek orders and learn how to incorporate a peristyle into every building.
see here is the deal I dont know why but when i was younger i hyt saw myself there '
ofcourse there is other schools to go to that are near me great schools but somehow i feel like if i wont feel accomplished if i dont go there
But how/why do you expect another school to let you in with a 2.6 GPA?
When I was younger I saw Rudy too, but I don't want to re-design the Parthenon. There are a lot of schools in the mid-west worth checking out. Where are you at now? Are you an archi major? What is wrong with the current program (other than you not being able to pass a majority of the classes)? Why do you need to go to Notre Dame to feel accomplished? Sometimes, just getting my ass out of bed in the morning makes me feel accomplished.
It would seem that if you want to go to Notre Dame, you would want to go to Notre Dame and no where else. It's my understanding that their program is the only one in the US teaching classical architecture.
ivace, this may be a stupid question, but is that why you are interested in Notre Dame?
Funny but no It wasnt Ruddy though i could see why you would think that. I'm in Los Angeles we got great schools like Sci-Arc , USC Woodbury and other good ones maybe i'm just tired of living in LA.
lol Chili!!
I was thinking the same thing.
Listen Lad......You need to really research schools. Understand their underlined manifesto, and or the manifesto of the dept chair, or dean, because this will give you insight into the programme you will be getting into. Furthermore, know what it is you like about architecture and go where you will flourish in that particular programme.
There are programmes out there that may overlook the whole GPA thing, if you have a portfolio that shows conviction. So don't close yourself off on ND.....as it is, it's probably not the best place to go to, unless you subscribe to their teachings/style there.
Indiana? Nothing against it, but why Indiana?
Sometimes getting away from the environment that you've been living for the last 20 years is necessary to reboot yourself
Why- Indiana I cant really say why because i myself dont know
Going to another city country would probably do the trick but Notre dame maybe its just the Ego perhaps i just want to say that i went to a Top rated school. Why lie right
hope you can watercolor
though the reasons why I want to study architecture are far fom the ones that i want to go to ND.
then that answers things for you right there (your statement)
if not at the very least it should bring more questions to the surface.
i dont even think you can get into the local community college with a 2.6 gpa
you could but giving the fact that i have 2 classes i have to retake i could possibly be back at 2.8 its not great but i still have a couple of GE's i need to take so I'm looking at possibly ending up with 3.0
that's if everything goes right
arch schools are their own animal, ivace. i feel fairly confident in saying that architecture at notre dame is different from 'notre dame', just as the tulane architecture experience was different from most tulane students' experiences, cornell arch is different from cornell, etc. you need to know what architecture school you want to attend, not what university.
this is hilarious...please keep posting.
you evil people--- don't ever change
What about pursuing Notre Dame in some other field - art history? liberal arts? general studies? - that might be an easier department to get accepted to. Get your undergrad degree, then if you still feel like you want to pursue architecture get a Master's somewhere else.
I strongly identify with the desire to leave your hometown and go "somewhere else" - anywhere else, really - for school. To try something new, broaden your horizons, have an adventure, etc. Personally I think the experience of uprooting yourself is a significant part of the education that college gives you.
Of course I desperately want to leave Indiana, so I can't quite sympathize with your desire to come here.
I am failing to see the need to go to ND to feel accomplished. What is more important than the program? Especially when we are talking abouit one of this type?
Wait, is there someone special currently at ND? I don't get it!
well...the football team's revenues is paying for all the Grad students expenses to go to Rome this year...
Garpike-it's like when you were a little kid didnt you ever want something that made you say when i grow up i want to be here, have this, be this.(figure of speech) if you desire it much once you grow older your life would not be complete unless you do what you wanted to do when you were a kid. did that kinda explain it or did i just creat more trench holes
My school's curling team's revenues paid for matching jackets for the 4 members.
Also, I used to want to drive a cement truck.
who wouldn't want to drive a cement a truck?! Especially if you're building a bridge-as they do in those Discovery channel shows-building monster things. I would do that...but my real job is AutoCAD-ing, which I need to get back to
thats nice but i ment things that would make your life progress
Sometimes when I AutoCAD, I pretend I am behind the wheel of a cement truck, going to pour someone a new driveway, or pave a new road, or build a new bridge. I also often pretend I am invisible, but that's a whole other story.
well that settles it i could go to any other school near here and I could just prettend I'm going to ND wow you've just enlightened me
ivace, yes I have felt that feeling before. But I would hope, for professional reasons (including those things that would make your life progress) you would reconsider such a blind acceptance of a program so specialized. The fact that Notre Dame and SCI-Arc appear in the same thread astounds me. You'd be much much better off using Chili's method so you can find a proram that suits you. Or maybe careers mean nothing and justified t-shirts mean the world. To each his own.
Whoa. Name change. That's fancy!
I think you're missing the point here ivace.
whilst we do have some cynics and peanuts in the gallery, some comments are really light-hearted humor, don't take it personally. Furthermore, I think you need to adhere to what Steve suggested up there:
you need to know WHAT ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL you wish to attend, not which UNI.
I think you need time to reflect on these things. By no means does this limit you from leaving LA and california...I did, but it was only after I got my 1st professional degree (b.arch). Partly for me was cause I was paying for my own school and didn't have parents giving me money to go to school/paying for school.
yeah new to archuinect put the wrong name in so i guess you know my password ......
oh and I should add.....I love all you peanuts living within these galleries! (no offense)
:)
i seriously think i would hang myself if i wound up at a program like ND, being stuck in the past. hell, i'm glad u of miami rejected me. now i'm working with a style of architecture i like and kicking academic ass in the process. ivace, be sure you can look beyond the name of a school, don't go somewhere just because it has that name recognition to it.
sorry didnt mean to offend anyone I ment archinect .....
With 10 withdrawls, I think you should seriously consider enrolling...in a JOB.
I don't say that to a catty, a-hole manner, but my sense is that you are looking for a place to run away to. Leaving Los Angeles for rural Indiana after a mediocre GPA and 10 withdrawls?? According to my math, I think you need to take a step back and realize that earning an education is a priviledge (even for Notre Dame) and perhaps stepping into the shoes of the uneducated working class would make you realize that.
i see no problem with studying classical architecture. it is not as if what is studied in most universities is any more applicable in the real world. in fact, as long as the prevailing wind is blowing toward "traditional" architecture, i would appreciate it if people knew a thing or two about entablatures, friezes, architraves etc... if you want to go to a particular uni, i suggest just moving to that city, in this case south bend/mishawaka and enrolling in n.d's continuing ed or part time classes etc, that are open to the general populace. after getting a few good grades doing that, i would then apply to the uni.
squirrelly about not taking anything personal i know most people in the architecture field seem completely heartless assholes or whatever i know cuz i am like that and well most of my classmates are like that its the stress of the job or maybe it's because mommy and dady didnt give us enough attention when we were kids boo hoo
squirrelly its all good i get it no hard feelings
buy a ND sweatshirt, bumper sticker, license plate holder, coffee mug, window decal for the car, one of those car window flag things, trapper keeper, etc...
show up at the local community college on the first day of class with all the above mentioned swag
mdler obviously you have been to northern indianastan!
I always thought ND was somewhere in Ireland.....
No, it's where they store most of Fargo.
When I was a kid in CA I wanted desperately to live in Boston, "where the history was"... so after college I moved there, and it sucked, and so I left that sucker far behind, and now I am happy again.
Indiana also sucks, trust me. They have undercover traffic cops there who pull you over on the interstate in a beat-up 1987 Ford Mustang!!!
Childhood dreams are overrated.
cement truck?!? what's that?
my uncle drives a butt dumper in california.
he makes almost three times what i make.
sometimes, even i want to drive a concrete mixer.
i grew up in indiana just down the road from notre dame. it sucked
i moved to boston to write songs for a rock n roll band. it sucked
i moved back to indiana to go to college. it sucked
i moved to new mexico to go to grad school it sucked
i moved to chicago to work in architecture. it sucked
i moved backed to indiana just the road from notre dame. it sucked
i moved to indianapolis from where i type my sucking biography...
your band would've made it big if you used those for lyrics...and called it road to hell
exactly, vado, exactly.
If it was a B.A. in Architecture, I would say it go ahead, since you'd have to get a Masters elsewhere anyhow, and the strength of a 4 year degree is much more dependent on the quality of the non-architecture curriculum than anything else.
However, ND's program is a B.Arch, and it is laughable to think that anyone coming out of the program is fit for licensure without a lot of additional self-directed learning. I was a juror on a 4th year crit in Rome, and the program seemed totally focused on denying modernity. I don't mean modernity in the aesthetic sense.
In brief:
-If you are intent on going to ND, change your major. May I suggest pre-law? Try getting around the GPA problem by working your ass off for a semester and getting an atheletic scholarship to a non-revenue sport.
-Apply to Ball State, which is perfectly decent, and visit your girlfriend on weekends. I didn't read the whole thread. There is a girlfriend, right?
-Go to any other architecture school, and find a new girlfriend.
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