I kindly invite everybody who has or had any personal experience with the master programs in Architectural Association UK, especially DRL and EmTech, to share their knowledge about the success rate of AA graduates in both academic and professional careers, compared to any other European MArch tracks, which are substantially less expensive , such as The Batlett, TU Delft, SAC, etc).
to my knowledge there are no M.Arch programs in TUdelft and SAC.. in delft its M.Sc and in SAC its M.A .. yeah i know graduates from AA especially from DRL . And from what i heard graduates from Drl land up in ZAHA's office whereas graduates from AA sustainable program land up in Foster's . By the way AA Drl is quite expensive.
thats not true about zaha/norman. norman went to Yale.
most graduates/students i know work in small design focused offices and do some interesting things. Linkedin search can be your professional friend in almost anything btw...
I know a few DRL grads, and one that chose the program over Columbia and Bartlett for a few reasons, one of them being the funding available to go to the AA. Every year a few of their grads go to big Euro offices like Foster, Zaha or HOK, but they also go to places like Heatherwick, Amanda Levette and Cecil Balmond.
There has been cross-pollination between the AA and Bartlett lately…. but Bartlett is only a year so that is a no-go for some.
US-based alumni include Marc Fornes who I think is still at Columbia and there are some others, more in Europe though I think. One of the directors at MAD is also a DRL grad.
What kind of work is a DRL graduate expected to find if not having UK professional qualification? working as part 1, part2 ? or non apply?
Do Bartlett MArch GAD graduates find good architectural jobs as well?
I will be having professional qualification from another EU country which because of EU laws is equivalent to a UK qualification. However architects tend to be a bit unconfident of other countries qualifications (so it is in my home country, at least).
no their not. Architectural offices in London are very used to dealing with immigrants and generally know equivalents. When I worked in London, it was literally stated as Part II equivalent" on my job contract and title. I would legally need to pay the RIBA a bunch of money, take an exam and submit a portfolio to be a legitimate part ii. then I could take the part iii exam.
@motioneye... if you shoot me a pm with your email address, I can give you the emails of 2 friends of friends who are currently in the EmTech programme.
I believe that your question is actually the main topic this thread.
However, the graduates from AA and Columbia tend to be the dominant voices for parametric architecture and research of emergent technologies these days, at least in academic environments. That cannot be only the result of the reputation and relations set by previous educational background, I think it should have something to do with the consistency of these two famous schools too. Right?
The question then is... is there a direct link between high command of parametrics and employability (whatever in a practice or in academia) ?
From my own experience with parametrics, there is too much waffling about it. It is a great tool and I love it and I use it, but it is no guarantee for good architecture and is not the only way in which architecture will/should evolve...
Lately, the Robots of brixton video by a Bartlett student (last yr RIBA Medal and stuff) made me think at least as much as parametrics stuff... but that's also personal
I know the guy who made that video. He worked freelance for us at Allies and Morrison Architects for some time. Yes he knows a bunch of crazy stuff that we had no use for, but he can also make really good rendering, both still and video. Which made him very employable and well paid actually.
Well.......Robots of Brixton is fairly different from parametrics.
If you don't want to do parametrics or want to challenge it, there is no better place to do so then in academia. And there are plenty of opportunities for that in the three named institutions. All the work being produced there is not grounded in parametrics.
In terms of employability, its all about being able to fit your work into the agenda of a firm.
Am an Emtech Grad and now involved with Oxford Brookes so you can send me an email if you wish.
As of 5 April 2012, the UK Border Agency and eliminated the Tier 2 visa with post MA's / MArch's practical experience so now after you finish your degree you would need to apply for a Tier 1 which means that you need to be sponsored at a minimum £20k per year. Prior to this you had a right to work for 2 years [you had to apply but generally it was automatic] and you didn't need to be sponsored.
If your going via the parametric route, many large practices in the uK have specialist computational groups and attract many AA students. The Bartlett MArch's do representation but its not about the machine its about thinking. I would hope by now students are going on to Graduate studies to do something else besides scripting.
I have seen students from every UK school landing jobs - its the individual students skill that matters most.
by the way , finally got to read Moussavi's article in AR, along with Shumacher's response in the following issue. I think that's pretty much the debate. Someone put an end to this soliloquy
Is there life after the AA ?
I kindly invite everybody who has or had any personal experience with the master programs in Architectural Association UK, especially DRL and EmTech, to share their knowledge about the success rate of AA graduates in both academic and professional careers, compared to any other European MArch tracks, which are substantially less expensive , such as The Batlett, TU Delft, SAC, etc).
Thanks!
to my knowledge there are no M.Arch programs in TUdelft and SAC.. in delft its M.Sc and in SAC its M.A .. yeah i know graduates from AA especially from DRL . And from what i heard graduates from Drl land up in ZAHA's office whereas graduates from AA sustainable program land up in Foster's . By the way AA Drl is quite expensive.
wish u all the best !
thats not true about zaha/norman. norman went to Yale.
most graduates/students i know work in small design focused offices and do some interesting things. Linkedin search can be your professional friend in almost anything btw...
all EmTech students...
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rony-ghadban/a/b3/ba4
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/riyad-joucka/25/23/72
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dishita-turakhia/6/801/b39
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-weinstock/24/838/779
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-hill/37/775/648
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mamali-mirzaei/29/b37/25a
follow up with people that are tagged in photos, send them messages.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/EmTech-studio-AA-School-of-Architecture/209574842409261
I know a few DRL grads, and one that chose the program over Columbia and Bartlett for a few reasons, one of them being the funding available to go to the AA. Every year a few of their grads go to big Euro offices like Foster, Zaha or HOK, but they also go to places like Heatherwick, Amanda Levette and Cecil Balmond.
There has been cross-pollination between the AA and Bartlett lately…. but Bartlett is only a year so that is a no-go for some.
US-based alumni include Marc Fornes who I think is still at Columbia and there are some others, more in Europe though I think. One of the directors at MAD is also a DRL grad.
in academia-practice:
http://theverymany.com/about/
http://www.sha-ga.com/#!p7
http://www.i-mad.com/
http://www.kokkugia.com/
http://www.vjaa.com/
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/jose-sanchez/1b/b94/a45
http://uk.linkedin.com/in/alandempsey
Many thanks!
What kind of work is a DRL graduate expected to find if not having UK professional qualification? working as part 1, part2 ? or non apply?
Do Bartlett MArch GAD graduates find good architectural jobs as well?
I will be having professional qualification from another EU country which because of EU laws is equivalent to a UK qualification. However architects tend to be a bit unconfident of other countries qualifications (so it is in my home country, at least).
no their not. Architectural offices in London are very used to dealing with immigrants and generally know equivalents. When I worked in London, it was literally stated as Part II equivalent" on my job contract and title. I would legally need to pay the RIBA a bunch of money, take an exam and submit a portfolio to be a legitimate part ii. then I could take the part iii exam.
@motioneye... if you shoot me a pm with your email address, I can give you the emails of 2 friends of friends who are currently in the EmTech programme.
cheers!
are job perspectives similar to graduates of other non-professional graduate programmes in the UK (Bartlett, Oxford Brookes, etc.) ?
dan.o.c.
I believe that your question is actually the main topic this thread.
However, the graduates from AA and Columbia tend to be the dominant voices for parametric architecture and research of emergent technologies these days, at least in academic environments. That cannot be only the result of the reputation and relations set by previous educational background, I think it should have something to do with the consistency of these two famous schools too. Right?
Regards
The question then is... is there a direct link between high command of parametrics and employability (whatever in a practice or in academia) ?
From my own experience with parametrics, there is too much waffling about it. It is a great tool and I love it and I use it, but it is no guarantee for good architecture and is not the only way in which architecture will/should evolve...
Lately, the Robots of brixton video by a Bartlett student (last yr RIBA Medal and stuff) made me think at least as much as parametrics stuff... but that's also personal
I know the guy who made that video. He worked freelance for us at Allies and Morrison Architects for some time. Yes he knows a bunch of crazy stuff that we had no use for, but he can also make really good rendering, both still and video. Which made him very employable and well paid actually.
Well.......Robots of Brixton is fairly different from parametrics.
If you don't want to do parametrics or want to challenge it, there is no better place to do so then in academia. And there are plenty of opportunities for that in the three named institutions. All the work being produced there is not grounded in parametrics.
In terms of employability, its all about being able to fit your work into the agenda of a firm.
meant to say *most of the work is not grounded in parametric ideology.
They might use certain software, but that's a separate issue.
If youre interested Moussavi points out quite well what parametric thinking is
:_( not an AR subscriber can't read it... but such debate is also present in my school (madrid) nowadays
Am an Emtech Grad and now involved with Oxford Brookes so you can send me an email if you wish.
As of 5 April 2012, the UK Border Agency and eliminated the Tier 2 visa with post MA's / MArch's practical experience so now after you finish your degree you would need to apply for a Tier 1 which means that you need to be sponsored at a minimum £20k per year. Prior to this you had a right to work for 2 years [you had to apply but generally it was automatic] and you didn't need to be sponsored.
If your going via the parametric route, many large practices in the uK have specialist computational groups and attract many AA students. The Bartlett MArch's do representation but its not about the machine its about thinking. I would hope by now students are going on to Graduate studies to do something else besides scripting.
I have seen students from every UK school landing jobs - its the individual students skill that matters most.
cheers TED
quick footnote: nationals of EU countries need no visa to enter or work in the UK ;)
what do u mean by "invoked with Oxford Brookes"? Do you teach there? i will probably go there in september for the MArch (12 months not part 2).
by the way , finally got to read Moussavi's article in AR, along with Shumacher's response in the following issue. I think that's pretty much the debate. Someone put an end to this soliloquy
http://www.elcontexto.net/post/15032978670/farshid-moussavi-on-the-need-for-parametric-thinking
Thanks motioneye !
however I discovered that as student of my uni we can access AR full text articles yoopee!
http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/the-critics/patrik-schumacher-on-parametricism-let-the-style-wars-begin/5217211.article
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