I have searched in this forum for information, but unfortunately, I failed find someone who share the same situation with me. I am in a contradiction among three schools.
I was accpeted by MLA1 Program of UPenn, MArch1 Program of Berkeley and Cornell. Berkeley provides me with full funding first year. The other two provide little money.
I studied urban planning as my undergraduate major and I don't have any tendency between landscape and architecture. I just find they are all interesting to me.
So let's see the employment status after graduation in US. Someone said architecture students have better prospects while others said landscaper can earn more and have a lighter work. I'm an international students hence not get quite familiar with the job condition of architects in US. Do you guys have any good ideas on it?
The alumni network is an important thing to be considered. A professor in Cornell told me that they had a very strong alunmi network throughout the world. So it not a problem to find jobs after graduation. However, she will surely say so because she works for Cornell. Some subjective information would be more helpful. Besides, I don't know how is the condition in Berkeley yet. Does anyone know?
Please feel free to give your comments on my situation. Anything would be helpful.
As a current undergraduate architecture student at Berkeley, I have several graduate student friends. From what I've seen and heard, it really is a toss up at Berkeley.
One of my former GSIs (graduate student instructor) still remains at Berkeley to continue GSIing for undergraduate classes even though she has graduated, because she cannot find a job. This is also the case for several other graduate students. The job market in the Bay Area (if you intend to stay after graduation) is quite competitive.
There is hope though, because some graduate students do get hired. Yet these students often get their jobs through their studio instructors, provided that you're close with them, and you're really, really good. One graduate student was hired to Foster + Partners, and he was referred by Ron Rael. Others have also gone on to work at SOM, HOK, and Gensler.
That being said, I feel that Berkeley's alumni network is not as strong as Cornell's, rather a bit stingy...
Now I' m leaning towards MArch Program. So it's a choice between Cornell and Berkeley. I think both of them are good schools. So what I want to know is the style and focus of the architectural education of each school. I heard that the education in CED put muchemphasis on architectural theory and technology. Each step of a project must be supported by enough theory to be reasonable. I read the students portfolios onthe college website and found that the design style and graphic style aredifferent from most ones which I am familiar with. I feel that the students in CED are not encouraged to put much energy on graphic presentation. Is it true?
Also, I viewed the website of the two schools and found that most of the faculties in Cornell are visiting professors. Only few are fixed professors. While CED had a lot of professors who worked only for CED. What is this phenomenon indicating?
There is a limitaion on the way from which I can get to know these schools. So please tell me what you know.
I wouldn't read too much into Cornell's ratio of visiting faculty. Cornell is way out in the country which means it is difficult for faculty to maintain a practice while teaching there without significant travel. But having many visiting professors coming in from New York, Europe, and the West Coast means that you have opportunities to network with people who may hire you at graduation. Berkeley is near a major city and has many decent architecture firms itself, so if you want to work in the Bay Area upon graduation, grad school there would be a great start.
I think the real question you have to ask yourself are 1) What can you afford - consider not just tuition but the cost of living in both areas, availability of work opportunities and TA positions during school, and 2) Would you prefer to work in San Francisco or New York when you graduate.
Money is not a very big problem for me. And I also received some from Cornell today, so the gap is more or less reduced. I don't have any idea on where to work. I think big cities with suitable climate would be OK. I really want to know the advantages and disadvantages on living and working at east coastline and at west coastline.
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I have searched in this forum for information, but unfortunately, I failed find someone who share the same situation with me. I am in a contradiction among three schools.
I was accpeted by MLA1 Program of UPenn, MArch1 Program of Berkeley and Cornell. Berkeley provides me with full funding first year. The other two provide little money.
I studied urban planning as my undergraduate major and I don't have any tendency between landscape and architecture. I just find they are all interesting to me.
So let's see the employment status after graduation in US. Someone said architecture students have better prospects while others said landscaper can earn more and have a lighter work. I'm an international students hence not get quite familiar with the job condition of architects in US. Do you guys have any good ideas on it?
The alumni network is an important thing to be considered. A professor in Cornell told me that they had a very strong alunmi network throughout the world. So it not a problem to find jobs after graduation. However, she will surely say so because she works for Cornell. Some subjective information would be more helpful. Besides, I don't know how is the condition in Berkeley yet. Does anyone know?
Please feel free to give your comments on my situation. Anything would be helpful.
Thanks!
Is there anybody who can help me? Any information or opinion can be very useful.
Much Appreciated!
As a current undergraduate architecture student at Berkeley, I have several graduate student friends. From what I've seen and heard, it really is a toss up at Berkeley.
One of my former GSIs (graduate student instructor) still remains at Berkeley to continue GSIing for undergraduate classes even though she has graduated, because she cannot find a job. This is also the case for several other graduate students. The job market in the Bay Area (if you intend to stay after graduation) is quite competitive.
There is hope though, because some graduate students do get hired. Yet these students often get their jobs through their studio instructors, provided that you're close with them, and you're really, really good. One graduate student was hired to Foster + Partners, and he was referred by Ron Rael. Others have also gone on to work at SOM, HOK, and Gensler.
That being said, I feel that Berkeley's alumni network is not as strong as Cornell's, rather a bit stingy...
As an MLA, I doubt that the original poster would be interested in working for SOM, HOK, Gensler, Foster, etc.
Berkeley made REBAR! Peter Walker and many great landscape architects. Penn has James Corner and landscape urbanism...
Good luck!
Yes, but the OP stated he was accepted to the M.Arch 1 program at Berkeley and Cornell, which was why I mentioned those firms.
Thank you very much!
Now I' m leaning towards MArch Program. So it's a choice between Cornell and Berkeley. I think both of them are good schools. So what I want to know is the style and focus of the architectural education of each school. I heard that the education in CED put muchemphasis on architectural theory and technology. Each step of a project must be supported by enough theory to be reasonable. I read the students portfolios onthe college website and found that the design style and graphic style aredifferent from most ones which I am familiar with. I feel that the students in CED are not encouraged to put much energy on graphic presentation. Is it true?
Also, I viewed the website of the two schools and found that most of the faculties in Cornell are visiting professors. Only few are fixed professors. While CED had a lot of professors who worked only for CED. What is this phenomenon indicating?
There is a limitaion on the way from which I can get to know these schools. So please tell me what you know.
Thanks a lot!
I wouldn't read too much into Cornell's ratio of visiting faculty. Cornell is way out in the country which means it is difficult for faculty to maintain a practice while teaching there without significant travel. But having many visiting professors coming in from New York, Europe, and the West Coast means that you have opportunities to network with people who may hire you at graduation. Berkeley is near a major city and has many decent architecture firms itself, so if you want to work in the Bay Area upon graduation, grad school there would be a great start.
I think the real question you have to ask yourself are 1) What can you afford - consider not just tuition but the cost of living in both areas, availability of work opportunities and TA positions during school, and 2) Would you prefer to work in San Francisco or New York when you graduate.
UPenn
Thanks @mar09.
Money is not a very big problem for me. And I also received some from Cornell today, so the gap is more or less reduced. I don't have any idea on where to work. I think big cities with suitable climate would be OK. I really want to know the advantages and disadvantages on living and working at east coastline and at west coastline.
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