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Learn language for cheap tuition - Studying in Europe?

Eriberi

Hi

I have a liberal arts degree, with a year of non-related work experience, researching on the best step towards a career in architecture.

Based on reading a lot on this forum, it sounds like you should 1) choose a program that suits you, 2) try to get in as little debt as possible.

Since I am not a US citizen, I don't really have a good chance of getting in to less than 50k of debt in the US.

 

Would it be a crazy idea to study in one of the European countries who offer programs with little to no tuition? (Germany, France etc)

 

Also, would the cost of living + the lower wages after graduation make it not worth it?

 

Would love to hear your thoughts!

 
Mar 1, 12 3:14 am
SN_Fan

Maybe you can try some schools in Netherland, so that you do not need to learn another language.

Mar 1, 12 5:14 am  · 
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are foreign students paying the same tuition of citizens in european schools?  probably wise to check.

one other thing you should check - european schools probs do not have the north american m.arch entering from another field option.  you may have to start from zero.

cost of living in some cities of europe is pretty high.  but maybe more fun than north america.

 

but anyway what you looking at education for?  santorum says its only for snobs

Mar 1, 12 6:20 am  · 
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jh000

I can't say much about other schools/programs in Europe, but I did a good deal of research into French schools because I was seriously considering it.

As the other poster mentioned, you WILL have to start all the way from the beginning - that means a total of at least 5 years (3 years of US-style undergrad, plus 2 years for the master's).  From looking at various French arch firms' webpages though, it seems most of the architects have studied for 6-7 years....granted, it will be significantly cheaper, from as low as about 200-300 euros/year (or semester? can't remember), up to about 7,000-8,000 if you go to one of the fancier schools).  Like you, I come from a non-arch background, so this is a major factor.

I lived in Paris last year and it is HARD to get an apartment, especially as a foreigner.  It'll also be difficult to get a part-time job other than babysitting or tutoring.  Legally, as a student, I think you're only allowed to work 20hrs/wk max, so if you want more hours, it'll have to be under the table (ie. tutoring, etc).  Unless you can afford it, apts (at least in Paris but probably also for the other large cities) are very expensive - mine was a tiny 9m2 and was relatively cheap at 450euros/mo (but as long as you are under 26/27 yrs old, you are eligible for a housing subsidy that you'd have to apply for...thanks to this, I only had to pay about 150/mo).  Other than lodging, and based on your lifestyle, France is definitely livable and not super expensive.  You can find lots of things to do on the cheap or for free.

The standard edu cost is the same for all students, citizens and foreigners alike.  It's just that citizens might get other subsidies and such to make it completely free for them in some cases.  But look up scholarships ("bourse") for foreigners @ CampusFrance.

I don't think France requires licensure to practice arch, like we do in the States.  Therefore, you can start work right away there, IF you're able to find a job in a country of already-existing high unemployment AND if you can convince the employer to hire a foreigner over a French citizen (employers have to pay extra fees and fill out more paperwork for that).  In a similar vein, keep in mind that you'd have to justify foreign edu if you want to work in the US, since they're not certified.  

You'll also have to pass a pretty rigorous language exam.  I minored in French and lived/worked in Paris for a year, but the exam still intimidates me.  

With all these factors, I ultimately decided not to apply to arch schools in Paris for next year (but am applying to other various programs as back-ups in case I don't get into any schools here!).  I think if you're committed to living in the country where you decide to pursue an arch degree (and/or figure out another way to stay there - get married to a citizen? lol) and commit many, many years to extra study, then it could work.

I might be completely wrong about this, and I don't know if this applies to foreigners, but isn't Cooper Union in NYC supposed to be free, or mostly free?  Although you'd have to figure in a high cost of living as well...but 3 years (vs. up to 6 or 7).  

Mar 1, 12 10:25 am  · 
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