Hey everyone, this is my first post on here and I'm hoping to get some feedback from you or ideally get a bit of a discussion going on about an essay I'm trying to write.
So im in the middle of my 4th year of study at the Dublin Institute of Technology in Ireland. I think I'm having one of those days where I fell like I know nothing about architecture, that I never will and that my writing skills resemble that of a mediocre highschool student! Hoping to turn my thoughts into more positive and constructive ones while at the same time being realistic!
The topic of my paper is the Traditional Irish Pub. I chose this initially because it is a public space that interests me and I wanted to have a primary source that I could go and sketch. Through my sketches I was hoping to do an architctural analysis of the pub and analyse how exactly it gives it character.
For those of you who have never been to Ireland, traditional pubs were once important social centres where people would meet. Many different activites such as dances and concerts would take place there and they werent just a place to get completely drunk (though that may have happened). They are not to be confused with "Irish Bars" that are found internationally. These are a particular type that relate to a particular time and although they still exist, there is no real modern equivilant to them.
In a way my essay is an analysis of the type, for those of you who also know Frampons essays, the topos, typos ad tectonic are keywords I'm using to analyse the space, with an emphasis on 'type'.
In general, the pubs in Dublin can be great places to go, they rarely have music playing in them (only if there is a trad session going on), they can often be quiet, they can be associated with a particular clientelle. They are a great place for conversation, so many Irish writers and poets had their local pub, the detail inside is very rich and they definitely have a presence about them. It is this presence that I'm trying to capture and write about. My goal is to be able to write about this with a clear architectural agenda, and possibly more importantly, that anyone could read it, get an architectural education of the space that would let them sit in this Public Room or House and appreciate the richness and character of the space even more.
Thats a little bit of a rant there from me, I really don't know where this is going but if any of you have read anything that might remind you of what I said above, know of any modern equivilant of a 'city room' that might exist in the states or elsewhere or just even comment on any aspect of what I'm talking about I'm sure it will be usefull to me and hopefully to you too.
Finally, one problem I find myself coming across time and time again is CONCLUSION!! I seem to enjoy noticing and observing things without all my findings actually going anywhere! How exactly can I conclude and enjoyable text to read that will give any simple man food for thought that would let them appreciate the importance of this particular space even more.
A lot of this is me thinking out loud, but I suppose its better to get comments on your thoughts than running in circles around in your head! It may be worth mentioning that its only 2000 words, possibly a little late but I want this essay to be clear.
Thanks and I hope you get some thought out of this too.
Sounds like an intriguing topic, Kevo. It reminds me of the major impact that the coffee house had as a kind of institution in the 18th century, transformational in the role of public discourse and communication. Look at Jurgen Habermas for more on that topic.
Two thousand words is short! Keep your writing compact.
Yes, 2000 is short! I find it almost harder, but then again its good for me to get into habits of writing concise text! The idea behind this essay is that it will eventually lead onto my thesis where I hope to branch onto analysing European equivalents of Irish Pubs such as the coffee house, and have a paper on city rooms of sorts.
Thanks for the reference, I'm trying to bump up the number of sources I have for my arguement.
Well we did a project last year that looked at the Rathaus of Northern Germany. The main point was to look at the council chamber and bring it into a more modern setting. We viewed this room as being a "city room" and one that was completely accessible to the public for functions such as weddings, and also a place which had a political influence on its surrounding area. It sparked my interest in looking at potential Irish equivalents, a place for an event or social gathering, they have similar functions so I thought "city room" would be an appropriate term. That's not really answering your question so in fear of giving you a completely irrelevant answer, I'm going to throw a quick question back at you. What context would you usually associate the term "city room" ?
Actually, the only place I've ever heard the term is in the context of a newspaper office, where the editorial department whose reporters and staff focused on local politics and municipal affairs was called the "city room." Kind of off the subject, I guess.
I just really like the term, and your proposed use of it. It reminds me of the use of "outdoor room" to describe the public square or plaza... but it's still not the same thing as you suggest.
What complicates your usage is the fact that "city rooms," while serving a public function of gathering, are actually private spaces whose public accessibility has limits set by business owners.
Part of my interest is in coffeehouses and like places that have become widely popular for some aspects of civic life. Steven's reference to "third spaces" is key here.
My question was just to make sure we were on the same wavelength. But yes, I think your right about third spaces. An intermediate meeting point where the social corrupts both the public and private. I've been conscious of the fact that at the end of the day that business is the reason why the came into being, I suppose the sense of ownership that the public would have on the place that made me think they are comparable to public squares. The publican is the just authority of what the public might organise. A microcosm of the city...
There are many possible comparisons I think! Need to read more, and write more...and draw lots! Thanks for spawning a bit of thought guys!
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Hey everyone, this is my first post on here and I'm hoping to get some feedback from you or ideally get a bit of a discussion going on about an essay I'm trying to write.
So im in the middle of my 4th year of study at the Dublin Institute of Technology in Ireland. I think I'm having one of those days where I fell like I know nothing about architecture, that I never will and that my writing skills resemble that of a mediocre highschool student! Hoping to turn my thoughts into more positive and constructive ones while at the same time being realistic!
The topic of my paper is the Traditional Irish Pub. I chose this initially because it is a public space that interests me and I wanted to have a primary source that I could go and sketch. Through my sketches I was hoping to do an architctural analysis of the pub and analyse how exactly it gives it character.
For those of you who have never been to Ireland, traditional pubs were once important social centres where people would meet. Many different activites such as dances and concerts would take place there and they werent just a place to get completely drunk (though that may have happened). They are not to be confused with "Irish Bars" that are found internationally. These are a particular type that relate to a particular time and although they still exist, there is no real modern equivilant to them.
In a way my essay is an analysis of the type, for those of you who also know Frampons essays, the topos, typos ad tectonic are keywords I'm using to analyse the space, with an emphasis on 'type'.
In general, the pubs in Dublin can be great places to go, they rarely have music playing in them (only if there is a trad session going on), they can often be quiet, they can be associated with a particular clientelle. They are a great place for conversation, so many Irish writers and poets had their local pub, the detail inside is very rich and they definitely have a presence about them. It is this presence that I'm trying to capture and write about. My goal is to be able to write about this with a clear architectural agenda, and possibly more importantly, that anyone could read it, get an architectural education of the space that would let them sit in this Public Room or House and appreciate the richness and character of the space even more.
Thats a little bit of a rant there from me, I really don't know where this is going but if any of you have read anything that might remind you of what I said above, know of any modern equivilant of a 'city room' that might exist in the states or elsewhere or just even comment on any aspect of what I'm talking about I'm sure it will be usefull to me and hopefully to you too.
Finally, one problem I find myself coming across time and time again is CONCLUSION!! I seem to enjoy noticing and observing things without all my findings actually going anywhere! How exactly can I conclude and enjoyable text to read that will give any simple man food for thought that would let them appreciate the importance of this particular space even more.
A lot of this is me thinking out loud, but I suppose its better to get comments on your thoughts than running in circles around in your head! It may be worth mentioning that its only 2000 words, possibly a little late but I want this essay to be clear.
Thanks and I hope you get some thought out of this too.
Sounds like an intriguing topic, Kevo. It reminds me of the major impact that the coffee house had as a kind of institution in the 18th century, transformational in the role of public discourse and communication. Look at Jurgen Habermas for more on that topic.
Two thousand words is short! Keep your writing compact.
Good luck!
Yes, 2000 is short! I find it almost harder, but then again its good for me to get into habits of writing concise text! The idea behind this essay is that it will eventually lead onto my thesis where I hope to branch onto analysing European equivalents of Irish Pubs such as the coffee house, and have a paper on city rooms of sorts.
Thanks for the reference, I'm trying to bump up the number of sources I have for my arguement.
Reference coffee shops and cafes as models for the social pub.
By the way, I haven't seen the term "city room" before in this context. Whose phrase is that?
Another reference: The Great Good Place, Ray Oldenburg, 1989, on "Third Places". (i.e. not home, not work) Not a riveting read, but relevant.
@ citizen,
Well we did a project last year that looked at the Rathaus of Northern Germany. The main point was to look at the council chamber and bring it into a more modern setting. We viewed this room as being a "city room" and one that was completely accessible to the public for functions such as weddings, and also a place which had a political influence on its surrounding area. It sparked my interest in looking at potential Irish equivalents, a place for an event or social gathering, they have similar functions so I thought "city room" would be an appropriate term. That's not really answering your question so in fear of giving you a completely irrelevant answer, I'm going to throw a quick question back at you. What context would you usually associate the term "city room" ?
Interesting...
Actually, the only place I've ever heard the term is in the context of a newspaper office, where the editorial department whose reporters and staff focused on local politics and municipal affairs was called the "city room." Kind of off the subject, I guess.
I just really like the term, and your proposed use of it. It reminds me of the use of "outdoor room" to describe the public square or plaza... but it's still not the same thing as you suggest.
What complicates your usage is the fact that "city rooms," while serving a public function of gathering, are actually private spaces whose public accessibility has limits set by business owners.
Part of my interest is in coffeehouses and like places that have become widely popular for some aspects of civic life. Steven's reference to "third spaces" is key here.
Anyway, great subject matter for folks like us...
My question was just to make sure we were on the same wavelength. But yes, I think your right about third spaces. An intermediate meeting point where the social corrupts both the public and private. I've been conscious of the fact that at the end of the day that business is the reason why the came into being, I suppose the sense of ownership that the public would have on the place that made me think they are comparable to public squares. The publican is the just authority of what the public might organise. A microcosm of the city...
There are many possible comparisons I think! Need to read more, and write more...and draw lots! Thanks for spawning a bit of thought guys!
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