what do you mean by "utilize the vertical change"?
typically vertical change on or near an airport is a really bad thing.
the airport on catalina island sits on top of the mountain. this fact makes it somewhat treacherous since the runway has a peak to it that can induce some bad piloting if you're not really aware of it when landing and taking off.
sits on a plateau in a valley surrounded by mountains, so that when you land, you glide over a lake and then come almost level with the escarpment that the airport is on.
well, by vertical change i mean that the site my small terminal is on is approximately 20 above the apron level, meaning that we need some clever way to get people and bags up and down this 20'. it is very small, so elaborate baggage conveyance systems seem silly.
if you have a bag belt of any type, then a 20 incline is no big deal. if you don't have a bag belt then a baggage tug can handle the 20 foot change. what about a shuttle bus from the gate to the apron?
as far a catlina - landing and taking off is really a puckering experience. you can't see the entire runway frm either end so when landing it seems as though the runway is real short so you have a tendancy to want to undershoot it and consequently smack the hillside. when taking off the same issue of not seeing the end of the runway causes some people to pull-up too quickly thinking they're nearing the end of the runway when in fact they still have plenty of time to gain speed. the result is a stall just about ehere the runway ends and the deep ravine begins.
i don't think the shuttle bus would work, the airport is only 20,000 s.f., 1 gate. it is a small airport with big aspirations. how bout any cool buildings that step up/down hillsides?
well then go for it.
step yer building and get a bitchin' ramp or an elevator....i would expect that a "small airport with no big aspirations" would VE the stepped building out and replace it with a shuttle bus. cheaper and more flexible.
garpike, and why not catapults or high speed ferris wheels? then (el jeffe) when they VE those out, they'll hire an unpaid intern sumo wrestler to stomp really hard on surplus teeter-totters. "next!"
if i remember, the aspen airport deals with section in that it nestles itself into some ridges . . . its been a while though . . . so i could be imagining. I do remember that it is dangerous to land there after dark (for fear of slamming into a peak or missing the runway all together).
Springville Arizona....There is a barb wire fence at the end of the runway...that can be difficult to navigate in a helicopter filled with
petro...but it is certainly an adventure. The grade drops away rather
rapidly once you clear the fence.
Airports!! Anyone know of any small airports that sit on a hillside and utilitze the vertical change?
Anyone know of any small airports that sit on a hillside and utilitze the vertical change?
what do you mean by "utilize the vertical change"?
typically vertical change on or near an airport is a really bad thing.
the airport on catalina island sits on top of the mountain. this fact makes it somewhat treacherous since the runway has a peak to it that can induce some bad piloting if you're not really aware of it when landing and taking off.
sits on a plateau in a valley surrounded by mountains, so that when you land, you glide over a lake and then come almost level with the escarpment that the airport is on.
well, by vertical change i mean that the site my small terminal is on is approximately 20 above the apron level, meaning that we need some clever way to get people and bags up and down this 20'. it is very small, so elaborate baggage conveyance systems seem silly.
Catalina looks cool for a video game and scary for real life.
oh, only a small problem then... maybe ladders.
Deceptive ramps, like at the Fox Hills Mall in Culver City. All those hefty Americans I saw there didn't even know they were making vertical progress.
if you have a bag belt of any type, then a 20 incline is no big deal. if you don't have a bag belt then a baggage tug can handle the 20 foot change. what about a shuttle bus from the gate to the apron?
as far a catlina - landing and taking off is really a puckering experience. you can't see the entire runway frm either end so when landing it seems as though the runway is real short so you have a tendancy to want to undershoot it and consequently smack the hillside. when taking off the same issue of not seeing the end of the runway causes some people to pull-up too quickly thinking they're nearing the end of the runway when in fact they still have plenty of time to gain speed. the result is a stall just about ehere the runway ends and the deep ravine begins.
i don't think the shuttle bus would work, the airport is only 20,000 s.f., 1 gate. it is a small airport with big aspirations. how bout any cool buildings that step up/down hillsides?
well then go for it.
step yer building and get a bitchin' ramp or an elevator....i would expect that a "small airport with no big aspirations" would VE the stepped building out and replace it with a shuttle bus. cheaper and more flexible.
How about a super-cool visible steep exisiting conveyer belt? It would have to have compartments or teeth.
jeffe, are you a pilot?
garpike, and why not catapults or high speed ferris wheels? then (el jeffe) when they VE those out, they'll hire an unpaid intern sumo wrestler to stomp really hard on surplus teeter-totters. "next!"
yup - have a private license.
you could have the airport issue these to every passenger..
on his way to the plane doing the TSA chicken-dance...
Helsinki has a awesome airport although flat...
if i remember, the aspen airport deals with section in that it nestles itself into some ridges . . . its been a while though . . . so i could be imagining. I do remember that it is dangerous to land there after dark (for fear of slamming into a peak or missing the runway all together).
Springville Arizona....There is a barb wire fence at the end of the runway...that can be difficult to navigate in a helicopter filled with
petro...but it is certainly an adventure. The grade drops away rather
rapidly once you clear the fence.
and the grade rises abruptly if you don't clear the fence...
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