modern sculpture can be like, " the sound of one hand clapping." It doesn't have to be a the expected, the understood, it can be just the experience. Sorry Hermie if you don't feel anything, but I do and it seems like alot of others do. It is sort of like a growing appreciation of Jazz or Blues along with an appreciation of Classical Music. Smell the roses and enjoy yourself.
Did anyone see the exhibition a few months back (August/September?) at the Guggenheim-- I believe the sculptor was Spanish or Portuguese, and rather architectural...? His pieces were incredibly moving.... um, but I can't recall his name.
Sorry Hermie if you don't feel anything, but I do and it seems like a lot of others do.
snooker , so you're the artistic,tortured genius who "feels" and Heimarmene is the ruthless real estate developer who drives over your sensitive sculptures in his/her limo ?
and this is coming from someone who posted the link for wild-style
> And looked...
Then repeated for 10 times...
Try it then there is no need to use drugs any more
Nooooooo, Mozart alone should be enough!
> maybe we both like thisone, not hat I am craving for that to happen
dutch sculptor peter van der Locht .
Being and Power. Reminded me of Jim Morrison's line;
"No one thought up being; he who thinks he has Step forward."
Nice. His collections are quite totemic
[Fig. 4A2): ;]http://www.museoorigini.it/pagina58.html]; alluding to something peculiar to the Dutch psyche - I wont pretend to understand, but I can easily agree a native would possibly find it every evocative like a giant charm.
"Let's reinvent the gods,
All the myths of the Ages.
Celebrate symbols from deep elder forests ...
We need great golden copulations..."
[J.D. Morrison]
I mean my friend's one year old niece could do all that chayo in 30 secs. with a fist full of clay (and even better!) than those wild.Inc.ers.
While "the harmonious cosmological device for measuring december"
atleast has enough intuitive genius to notate an idea with musical strokes and arcs. Its a joyful teaser. And if it had no name, and nobody could tell, hey, that's a "lyrical cosmological device for measuring dec,", it would still be a prettier sight than any by chayo, eewwww!
snooker> modern sculpture can be like, " the sound of one hand clapping."
I am so afraid to ask for an example
> It doesn't have to be a the expected, the understood, it can be just the experience.
I didn't deny that. Conversely, the unexpected and the misunderstood needn't be representations like chayo's or a complete abandonment and a "letting itself go"; that is not true freedom. And an enslaved art is no art.
High culture art which looks like its all sweetness and light is in fact based on a substratum of the cruel, the chaotic, the Dionysian. Yes, to represent this chaos, the formless is art too, but I say, a still higher art, is the victory over this chaos, and a form comes from the seat of a ruling law... such art is daring! It gives a law to itself. I find that quite holy. Discovering that law is a holy pursuit, and so, even the expected, the understood, and the all too familiar need not be boring.
That's what makes the Classical enduring and inspiring... its lightness and logic of simplicity is a victory.
2. or, actually and even better, leave one more powerful for having seen it;
"Sintha Terbakar II / Sita":
"The subject is drawn from a particularly dramatic episode in the Javanese story of the Hindu epic Ramayama. Having been abducted, Sintha is re-united with her husband, Rama, who asks her to step into fire to prove her fidelity to him. Sintha emerges untouched from the flames as a testimony to her purity.
In his sympathetic treatment of this piece, Gatot has shown a calm assurance on the face of Sintha, who knows she is innocent, as the flames engulf her." http://www.biosystematica.com/gallery/015.jpg
> It is sort of like a growing appreciation of Jazz or Blues along with an appreciation of Classical Music.
Jazz has not even caught up with 19th century Classical Music!, both harmonically, rhythmically, as well as melodically.
The music of Palestrina, Monteverdi, J.S.Bach, Handel, Mozart, Beethovan, Strauss, Vaugn-Williams, with all its richness and variety is WORTHY of being repeated into Eternity: indeed, that's what makes it 'classical'. 'More enduring than brass'.
The basic tonal range of the Jazz combo is miniscule when compared to the full orchestra - fact.
Yea, sculptures shouldn't be big ugly blocks and chunks of needless holes standing like a lost cow. A simple curve can not only say, but it can "do" so much...
And thanks. I too would rather smell roses than the prejudices on classicism coming from you.
Don't fear the past.
"There is a beast in man that should be exercised, not exorcised." LOL
This brings me to another point ,
I am shortly whith this forum , and like it .
But what starts to be irritating to me is all the hiding behind funny names ,and when you look at the biography of the person behind the name . tjere is often nothing there .
Real names would be nicer.
ok nevermore
you can get the wrong idea what I ment whith " normal person"
probably should have used another word ,
like " reasonable" or something.(must be my pour English)
And I never said I am an honest person , these are your words.
Thought we were friends ( have to cry now) .
Found this in a search for organic architecture
How much worse can it get
gives me the creeps
The dutch!!! scultural carpenter mario philippona
who first studied architecture.!!!!!!! etc.
Lets all be happy he didn,'t
didn't that marc quinn portrait melt?
i don't know if that's the only one he made..but i seem to
recall that a construction worker unplugged the refrigerator that
it was in and it melted a few years back...
"By published accounts, builders making improvements on Charles Saatchi's kitchen at the request of his girlfriend, television chef Nigella Lawson ("domestic goddess" of Nigella Bites), inadvertently switched off the refrigeration unit which kept Quinn's sculpture intact, "...leaving the head to melt into a pool of blood.""
Here is another one of my Heros! Korzak was a Polish kid raised on the East Coast. He worked on Mount Rushmore, and was tossed when the got into it with the original Sculptors Son. It is said fist flew. Then the Lakota People approached him and ask him to sculpt the warrior,
Crazy Horse. He undertook the commission and till this day it is still a work in progress. Hermi, might agree with me on this one...the guy is a Master among Sculptors. http://www.crazyhorse.org/carving/face/index.shtml
anish kapoor ......
and henry moore ... chk out his artistic impressions named ... 'father' ...and the other one called 'mother' ... didn't have time to search it on the net ... kinda difficult too
Who is your favorite modern sculptor ?
Gosh, Harmarman,
OMG.
I mean WTF.
Those guys are right up there with Wildstyle Inc.
And just, BTW, do you believe in world domination?
But this 'sculpture 'in one of your links is very beautifull
haromino
maybe we both like thisone, not hat I am craving for that to happen
dutch sculptor peter van der Locht .
we are concerned with the act of ordering rather than with order.
I'd like to order a pizza please.
thazz becuz u r into the bazbeaux arts lb
modern sculpture can be like, " the sound of one hand clapping." It doesn't have to be a the expected, the understood, it can be just the experience. Sorry Hermie if you don't feel anything, but I do and it seems like alot of others do. It is sort of like a growing appreciation of Jazz or Blues along with an appreciation of Classical Music. Smell the roses and enjoy yourself.
Did anyone see the exhibition a few months back (August/September?) at the Guggenheim-- I believe the sculptor was Spanish or Portuguese, and rather architectural...? His pieces were incredibly moving.... um, but I can't recall his name.
also, daniel buren, inside (centre of guggenheim), 1 day installation @guggenheim 1971.
and, 2005. the rose window
i second turrell
you guys are so cool
even I want to be an art critic
snooker , so you're the artistic,tortured genius who "feels" and Heimarmene is the ruthless real estate developer who drives over your sensitive sculptures in his/her limo ?
and this is coming from someone who posted the link for wild-style
great !
my goodness ... i've created a monster !
skunst> Today I listened to mozart messe in c minor part six , the largo (loud)
Have you experienced Beethoven's sorrow too?
http://www.markwashburn.com/recent.html
> And looked...
Then repeated for 10 times...
Try it then there is no need to use drugs any more
Nooooooo, Mozart alone should be enough!
> maybe we both like thisone, not hat I am craving for that to happen
dutch sculptor peter van der Locht .
Being and Power. Reminded me of Jim Morrison's line;
"No one thought up being; he who thinks he has Step forward."
Nice. His collections are quite totemic
[Fig. 4A2):
;]http://www.museoorigini.it/pagina58.html]; alluding to something peculiar to the Dutch psyche - I wont pretend to understand, but I can easily agree a native would possibly find it every evocative like a giant charm.
"Let's reinvent the gods,
All the myths of the Ages.
Celebrate symbols from deep elder forests ...
We need great golden copulations..."
[J.D. Morrison]
Psyarch> OMG.
You started it!
> I mean WTF.
Well, you insisted I give examples of modern sculpture... serves you right!
> Those guys are right up there with Wildstyle Inc.
My take is, if you are going to post examples of trash, atleast go down with style!
"A lyrical cosmological device for measuring December"
http://studioatelfway.com/lyricalcasmorogical.htm
is(and sounds) a thousand times better anyday than all the sheer ugliness at wild inc. http://www.wildstyleinc.com/
I mean my friend's one year old niece could do all that chayo in 30 secs. with a fist full of clay (and even better!) than those wild.Inc.ers.
While "the harmonious cosmological device for measuring december"
atleast has enough intuitive genius to notate an idea with musical strokes and arcs. Its a joyful teaser. And if it had no name, and nobody could tell, hey, that's a "lyrical cosmological device for measuring dec,", it would still be a prettier sight than any by chayo, eewwww!
Go down nicely... sink with dignity...
Weather-vane:
http://www.windandweather.com/wind/Images/go-strat.jpg
Dew-drop:
http://www.neilwilkin.com/Dew%20Drop%202003%20B.htm
The Bold Challenge (by a blind artist):
http://www.heritagepreservation.org/programs/sos/4kids/4kids2000/Challenge.htm
> And just, BTW, do you believe in world domination?
Wouldn't anybody who called themselves Heim_Ar_mene (Holy Aryan Fury)!...?...
One of my missions is to give back all architects their lost Egyptian status!...
And flowing purple robes!
[Cross my heart and swear to die.]
vado retro> we are concerned with the act of ordering rather than with order.
An analogue; Sun seeks shadow:
http://edwinwhitedesigns.com/images/SunSeeksShadowFull.jpg
http://edwinwhitedesigns.com/sunseeksshadowdetail.htm
snooker> modern sculpture can be like, " the sound of one hand clapping."
I am so afraid to ask for an example
> It doesn't have to be a the expected, the understood, it can be just the experience.
I didn't deny that. Conversely, the unexpected and the misunderstood needn't be representations like chayo's or a complete abandonment and a "letting itself go"; that is not true freedom. And an enslaved art is no art.
High culture art which looks like its all sweetness and light is in fact based on a substratum of the cruel, the chaotic, the Dionysian. Yes, to represent this chaos, the formless is art too, but I say, a still higher art, is the victory over this chaos, and a form comes from the seat of a ruling law... such art is daring! It gives a law to itself. I find that quite holy. Discovering that law is a holy pursuit, and so, even the expected, the understood, and the all too familiar need not be boring.
That's what makes the Classical enduring and inspiring... its lightness and logic of simplicity is a victory.
> Sorry Hermie if you don't feel anything,
1. Does the object represent the goodness of a feeling of power;
"Fight or Flight":
http://www.verdigrismetals.co.uk/gallery_images/big%20images%20html%20pages/sculpture/fight%20or%20flight.htm
2. or, actually and even better, leave one more powerful for having seen it;
"Sintha Terbakar II / Sita":
"The subject is drawn from a particularly dramatic episode in the Javanese story of the Hindu epic Ramayama. Having been abducted, Sintha is re-united with her husband, Rama, who asks her to step into fire to prove her fidelity to him. Sintha emerges untouched from the flames as a testimony to her purity.
In his sympathetic treatment of this piece, Gatot has shown a calm assurance on the face of Sintha, who knows she is innocent, as the flames engulf her."
http://www.biosystematica.com/gallery/015.jpg
Or,
3. does it stunt,
"Burnt Flowers":
http://www.bendanieli.com/imagepages/image1.htm
4. depress,
"If":
http://www.dreamgallery.co.uk/ain_dream/sculpture.htm
5. cause dissinterested contemplation by being really clever;
"Christ, the King":
http://turnerscross.com/church/statue.php
"13 dimensions of one":
http://www.bendanieli.com/imagepages/image40.htm
or,
6. evoke melancholy with no solution?,
"18 benedictions, standing alone, standing in silence":
http://www.bendanieli.com/imagepages/image6.htm
"The Dybbuk, between two worlds":
http://www.bendanieli.com/imagepages/image34.htm
That's what it comes down to.
> but I do and it seems like alot of others do.
Well, You and those others have just been exposed for bad taste.
http://www.horton-szar.net/pictures/stag/Assets/images/clipart_cowarse.png
> It is sort of like a growing appreciation of Jazz or Blues along with an appreciation of Classical Music.
Jazz has not even caught up with 19th century Classical Music!, both harmonically, rhythmically, as well as melodically.
The music of Palestrina, Monteverdi, J.S.Bach, Handel, Mozart, Beethovan, Strauss, Vaugn-Williams, with all its richness and variety is WORTHY of being repeated into Eternity: indeed, that's what makes it 'classical'. 'More enduring than brass'.
The basic tonal range of the Jazz combo is miniscule when compared to the full orchestra - fact.
> Smell the roses and enjoy yourself.
Ever seen a road, a land rising up to hold someone in its care?;
an anonymous part sculpture/part arch. existing somewhere in Latvia:
http://www.dailylatvia.com/pictures/latvia/travel-stone.jpg
Yea, sculptures shouldn't be big ugly blocks and chunks of needless holes standing like a lost cow. A simple curve can not only say, but it can "do" so much...
And thanks. I too would rather smell roses than the prejudices on classicism coming from you.
Don't fear the past.
"There is a beast in man that should be exercised, not exorcised." LOL
In good faith.
@babs,
yea, you did.
I'm very dangerous.
LOL.
Good luck to all of you. It was nice talking to you all. My work's done. Am out of here.
Cheers.
Appreciate your contribution to this discussion
Heimarmene = Holy Aryan Fury?
I think we just met an artsy Nazi
Holy ar$e fuc&
Oh by the way aramihome .
Now you can go back to your other 'fakename' and take part in the other discussions again like a 'normal' person .
This brings me to another point ,
I am shortly whith this forum , and like it .
But what starts to be irritating to me is all the hiding behind funny names ,and when you look at the biography of the person behind the name . tjere is often nothing there .
Real names would be nicer.
... you'll get used to it ... it really doesn't matter
skunst
what or who is a 'normal' person ?
if you ask me..Heimarmene is brilliant (whether he/she is a nazi or a fake or whatever)
I think Heimar's 'falseness' is much more truthful than your honesty.
ok nevermore
you can get the wrong idea what I ment whith " normal person"
probably should have used another word ,
like " reasonable" or something.(must be my pour English)
And I never said I am an honest person , these are your words.
Thought we were friends ( have to cry now) .
well skunst....your comment to heimarmene did appear very rude.
yea..im still your friend..and you'r still a great sculptor.
no sweat !
Barbara Hepworth
Hermi,
I don't belive we eat from the same plate, Dionysian vs Apollonian
Self by Marc Quinn
Found this in a search for organic architecture
How much worse can it get
gives me the creeps
The dutch!!! scultural carpenter mario philippona
who first studied architecture.!!!!!!! etc.
Lets all be happy he didn,'t
PS that self portrait by Mark Quinn is cast in his own blood. A true self-portrait. You didn't mention that, farmer. Love that guy's work.
yes the marc quinn is impressive,
good that his eyes are closed , so cannot see the picture below him
famousone Richard tuttle
another Tuttle
Gabriel Orozco
mike Kelley : educational complex
Louise bourgeos : 'Twosome'
(bourgeois)
didn't that marc quinn portrait melt?
i don't know if that's the only one he made..but i seem to
recall that a construction worker unplugged the refrigerator that
it was in and it melted a few years back...
"By published accounts, builders making improvements on Charles Saatchi's kitchen at the request of his girlfriend, television chef Nigella Lawson ("domestic goddess" of Nigella Bites), inadvertently switched off the refrigeration unit which kept Quinn's sculpture intact, "...leaving the head to melt into a pool of blood.""
apparently he makes one a year though..
robert irwin
larry bell
dan graham
Matthew Barney
[url=http://www.pbs.org/art21/artists/barney/clip1.html[/url]
[url=http://www.pbs.org[/url]
sorry I am to much stupid to get this link ok
Oh one I don't belive has been mentioned: Big influence on me...[img] http://www.clr.toronto.edu/VIRTUALLIB/CLIP/IMAGES/GAUSTIN/501039.JPG
David Henson Kurtz
Henrik Cartos
John Espinoza
Here is another one of my Heros! Korzak was a Polish kid raised on the East Coast. He worked on Mount Rushmore, and was tossed when the got into it with the original Sculptors Son. It is said fist flew. Then the Lakota People approached him and ask him to sculpt the warrior,
Crazy Horse. He undertook the commission and till this day it is still a work in progress. Hermi, might agree with me on this one...the guy is a Master among Sculptors. http://www.crazyhorse.org/carving/face/index.shtml
Eduardo Chillida. Spanish Sculptor. Minimilist Design. HOT.
www.eduardo-chillida.com
[sorry, don't know how to add images]
i second Chillida, and I love most everything else that's been posted.
Oteiza's another favorite.
Oteiza
Chillida
anish kapoor ......
and henry moore ... chk out his artistic impressions named ... 'father' ...and the other one called 'mother' ... didn't have time to search it on the net ... kinda difficult too
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