If you can get into MIT go there instead. If you can get into 2G, the dual degree can work, as a 3G not so much. What do you want to DO in architecture?

if only I know I can get MIT. But it seems bleak since most the people i know that goes there have a fairly high GRE score

Is the UMich M.Arch a good value? Assuming you qualify for in-state tuition?

in my opinion it seems like a good choice for back-out options. meaning, if you don't want to necessarily do architecture there are other options available for you that want to stay within the field of building environments.

so yes, a pretty good value imho and thus why I might apply there.

Be wary of 'engineering' degrees offered as a dual degree option at many architecture schools. I believe UM had a fairly dubious dual degree program in which the engineering portion was more of a construction management curriculum.

If the engineering half doesn't sound horrible and painful, it probably isn't very marketable.

i think it is more like a construction sort of deal. which is still good, right?

i guess the second question that is stemmed from this is,

certificates or a second degree?

it is construction engineering and management

It really depends what your goals are and what are looking to get out of it.

If you want to do it to broaden your studies beyond what is typically contained in an architecture curriculum with regard to construction methodology, professional practice, and the AEC industry in general- it is probably a great idea.

If you are looking at it as a 'get out of jail free card' if the design economy tanks, you probably won't be able to get into an engineering (read: structural, mechanical, electrical, etc.) firm with it or be able to consult on your own without significant experience first.

You would certainly be able to work for a CM/ GC, but they are also much more tied to the economy than pure engineering disciplines that can serve as consultants or litigation experts.

Food for thought more than anything else.