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Herzog & de Meuron building??

Richard Frankland

i'm trying to find a particular project that retains an existing brick/masonry wall, that retains all the history of the elevation... for example bricked up openings, different additions etc etc

i think it may be a Herzog and de Meuron building?

can any one help? cheers

 
Mar 29, 05 4:36 pm
evilplatypus

Was this a mall building in germany where the alleys became corridors? Check Arch. Record magazine sometime in 2003.

Mar 29, 05 4:41 pm  · 
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wangsta

maybe...Palais De Beaux Arts, Lille France

http://www.0lll.com/lud/pages/architecture/archgallery/ibos-vitart_museumlille/pages/museum_lille_01.htm

Mar 29, 05 4:42 pm  · 
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Richard Frankland

don't think it was a mall, and it's not Lille... but thanks!

Mar 29, 05 5:08 pm  · 
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larslarson

it's not the tate modern is it?..seems too obvious

http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/building/default.htm

Mar 29, 05 5:16 pm  · 
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Richard Frankland

i'm certain it's not the Tate where i've seen this feature... but i thought it might be London though... in an old warehouse building... but then i don't think H&dM have undertaken many projects in London...?

i've just had a root through some old Architectural Reviews, but nothing... i may have seen it in Architecture Today... maybe a year or so ago...

Mar 29, 05 5:26 pm  · 
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larslarson

the tate and the tate modern are two totally different buildings...
both are in london...one by venturi and one by h&m..
and the tate modern is all brick...and finished recently.

what feature are you talking about?

Mar 29, 05 5:32 pm  · 
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rls

I believe you may be thinking of the Kuppersmuhle Museum in Duisburg, Germany....sorry, I couldn't find a link

Mar 29, 05 6:03 pm  · 
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dia

Perhaos its the Kuppersmule in Duisberg.

Mar 29, 05 6:06 pm  · 
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dia

Also,

Mar 29, 05 6:17 pm  · 
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c

was it built or still in proposal phase?
H+dM have a new Philharmonic to go up in Hamburg - voluminous membrane looking roof (tensile?) atop old school industrial brick warehouse..... the building formely known as Kaispeicher

http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/Headlines/AR/20040503s.asp

Mar 29, 05 6:44 pm  · 
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ninefournine

bernard khoury did something similar for a restaurant in beirut:

<img src="http://www.bernardkhoury.com/bernard%20projects/2000_CEN/00_037.gif">

http://www.bernardkhoury.com/bernard%20projects/2000_CEN/2000_CEN.html

Mar 29, 05 10:52 pm  · 
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ninefournine

let's try this again.

Mar 29, 05 10:52 pm  · 
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ZMYK

I think i know the project. it was an old building on a corner site that sloped down. All the openings were bricked up in the old building but at the bottom of the slope the building is open underneath. I just saw the rendering, don't know if it was built. It was a museum in Europe by Herzog & de Meuron, but I don't think it was in London.

Mar 29, 05 11:49 pm  · 
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Richard Frankland

thanks everyone... it wasn't the Kuppersmuhle, but very nice image though!

the elevation, or wall is fairly rough, showing all the "scars" of it's history... it's the fact that the architects chose to retain it in this state that i'm interested in.

it's definitely built. i'm going to have another look through some old journals later today.

Mar 30, 05 2:05 am  · 
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c

possibly foster's reichstag? where he kept old scarred wall exposed & juxtaposed with the new...? can;t find a decent image at the moment, but here:

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/internetsite/html/Project.asp?JobNo=0686
right-hand side, second image from the top- beigish...

this question of yours has gotten under my skin.. am supposed to be writing a paper but keep thinking exposed wall brick? stone? ...please, somebody has to hit on it, or i 'll never get this paper done!

Mar 30, 05 6:32 am  · 
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larslarson

how bout this one?

http://www.arkitera.com/haberler/2004/02/20/herzogdemuron.htm

Mar 30, 05 11:32 am  · 
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Richard Frankland

no... sorry!

i'm sure it was a red brick facade...

it might not even be a H&deM building... i just seemed to think it was because of their passion for materials and their treatment...

Mar 30, 05 2:30 pm  · 
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strlt_typ

Zumthor? Columba in Koln, Germany?

Mar 30, 05 2:37 pm  · 
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strlt_typ
Richard Frankland

nope... it's red brick... a warehouse type building... no stone.

i'm sure we're all gonna be really disappointed if we ever find this building! it's probably a load of c**p!

...but i'm sure it's not!

Mar 30, 05 3:08 pm  · 
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Tim DeCoster

did it have a mansard roof made of some new/modern materials? Maybe it was glass, I really don't recall in great specificity.

I seem to recall a building somewhat like this near Checkpoint Charlie in Berlin. The whole building looked original, except the roof.

Mar 30, 05 3:48 pm  · 
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rutger

You could go to Rotterdam and see the H&deM exhibition in the NAI, it's great.
There is a 1 to 1 scale model there in red bricks for a project in China and hundreds of pics with the 1 to 1 red brick experiments they did...fascinating.

Mar 30, 05 3:54 pm  · 
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Richard Frankland

FOUND IT!!

apologies to rls and diabase... it was the Kuppersmuhle in Duisburg, by H&deM.

the photo i remember seeing was that on page 32 of Architectural Review (June 99); and the accompanying article i want to read is "Layers of meaning: interacting with the past"

cheers everyone for your help! c - get on with your paper!

Mar 30, 05 4:49 pm  · 
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Medit

... and here's the article (without pics): Industrial icon - transformation of Kuppersmuhle in Duisburg, Germany

Mar 30, 05 4:55 pm  · 
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