thanks, it looks really helpful.

He will learn a lot but unfortunately the answer to this is not in there.

oh it's you - didn't feel the need to help but continue being the same person you are. see the comment above, by graphemic, that is an example of helping people who post, and not trolling people because you feel inadequate. 

This is homework though . . .

After all these years you should be intelligent enough to know to look in the IBC chapter 10.

It is university work, and we (non sequitur and I) have a history. his replies aren't helpful - unlike graphemic's post, and 99.9% of all other users on here.

Chad, just to be devil's advocate... when you're not using code/regulations frequently (in school, in practice) it's really easy to forget the chapters. Even I can spend months with one section, then a few years later not be able to recall which exact source I got the knowledge from.

That is true graphemic - however I'm betting part of the assignment is to figure this out by looking at the code book.

F-Z-J 

 Be sure to look at : Common Path of Egress Travel, and the Exit Access Travel Distance. This will be based on your buildings occupancy type. When doing so you need to count the distances traveled within the stairs. That is unless the stairs are exit access stairs.

So, why are crowd sourcing easy homework stuff? You’re supposed to figure this shit put yourself, not ask others for the answer. Lazy student is lazy.

Are you a student or working in architecture?

student work - and intelligent enough to look in the IBC? why are you attacking me and you seem to be conflating knowledge with intelligence. Furthermore, a fire escape plan isn't required for the work - it's something extra I'm doing.

Intelligent enough research and learn where to look for building codes. 

I don't believe you that this isn't part of your required school work.  Knowing how to design a building so it's meeting basic egress requirements is part of your school work by now.  

If you don't want to be treated like a jerk, don't act like one.  I understand that Non has upset you.  Ignore it.  You've literally asked this forum to do your homework for you in the past and then became upset and hostile when we wouldn't do it for you.  You have a reputation to overcome.  

Fire exit design is not extra, it’s bare minimum requirements.

this is a fire escape plan - it is not part of the work requirements.

It's not a fire escape plan. It's part of basic exiting. This is something you should be aware of at this time in your education. You wouldn't design an auditorium with just one way out would you? This is the same thing.

Maybe spend time on the design instead of worrying about drawing separate exit plan. Good design can be a good way to solve basic program reqs like minimum exits.

That’s not my email.

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I was very helpful. Not my problem this student uses the forum to do their homework. This could have easily been resolved with a 5 min discussion with their tutor.

Also, Tim Hortons is shit coffee. We far better options than that brown swill.

arch, aren't you concerned the OP isn't going to be able to get an education if (s)he doesn't do the work on their own? if they want to be a real architect and go through all of the education requirements, internship, and testing, they won't always have this internet forum to hold their hand and do their work for them.

@NS I don't think you realize the state of architectural education. Doubt there's a single professor at my (or any of our collective) alma mater who could answer this. 

@Curtkram - I didn't realize we all came out of secondary school as fully-formed super knowledgeable architects. You don't know an answer to something, you go find it, that's practicing architecture, and that's what this kid is trying to do (in my view). Like I said, there's almost 0 discussion or knowledge of building code or these nuanced issues in any school I know of currently. Even "in my day" the most we got was "you always need two exits" and that was with real, practicing architects as professors.

archanonymous wrote:

"@NS I don't think you realize the state of architectural education. Doubt there's a single professor at my (or any of our collective) alma mater who could answer this. "

That's disturbing.  I went to a state school and EVERY professor could at least point a student in the right direction.  

Why is our responsibility to answer it?  We've pointed him in the right direction.  That's the most we should be doing.  Going beyond that is unethical as we'd be doing his assignments and basically cheating for him. 

The OP has a history of asking us to do his assignments for him then getting angry when we won't.  

"This could have easily been resolved with a 5 min discussion with their tutor." .....uh, no. The way the code is written leaves some ambiguity on whether the open stair in the middle of that plan would qualify as a means of egress. How many stories does it span? Is it in a conforming Atrium? Etc. An Exit sign or indicator on an egress diagram could direct occupants to it if it met certain requirements, but otherwise not. So being a jackąss to a student poster over the question is petty and dumb.

gwharton  wrote "This could have easily been resolved with a 5 min discussion with their tutor." .....uh, no. 

I'd have to disagree.  Someone could easily discuss this in five minutes and know if the stair could be considered part of the exit access.

The fact that the OP isn't smart enough to provide the relevant information says a lot about their capabilities.  Add to that the fact that the OP has asked in the past for people to do their assignments says a lot about their ethics and capabilities.  

Uh, the OP is a student? Being smart enough has nothing to do with it.

Typically a non compliant stair cannot have egress signage. The most notable exception to this are in the IEBC when dealing with historic buildings.

How do you know it’s 3 stories? If it is, then the comments above about the atrium issues apply. But yeah. I’m with Chad, AHJ can allow whatever but that doesn’t mean I’d toss code. If the AHJ lets you do something non-compliant you better have a good reason and a well thought out solution. If they are just blatantly letting you do something non-compliant on a major element of a new building…. Just make it compliant.