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Which is better? or worse?

I am sincerely excited about one of these projects and actively despise the other. Which, and why?


 
Feb 13, 20 1:43 pm
Chad Miller

Berkeley Dorm - yeah - adaptive reuse and urban infill! 

Podium Castle - yuck - looks like a prison designed by Breuer when he had mono 

Feb 13, 20 1:52 pm
atelier nobody

Not adaptive reuse.

Chad Miller

Then fuck it. I hate frosting on buildings.

atelier nobody

I'm OK with the (Neo)Mediterranean top part, but the not-quite-Gaudi Art Nouveauish base makes me ill. Here is a local (Neo)Spanish Colonial that isn't half bad, IMHO.

SneakyPete

The Architect who did this one generally does buildings more in line with that. http://www.kpaarch.com/

Chad Miller

I'm cool with the top part but the base is just fake junk.

SneakyPete

Mad King Ludwig called. He wants his jail back.

Feb 13, 20 1:57 pm
tduds

Nice I've always wanted to live in a Medieval Times Arena.

Feb 13, 20 1:57 pm

I thought it was Legoland HQ.

atelier nobody

tduds - I know a guy...

I should point out that both are apartment buildings.

Feb 13, 20 2:39 pm
SneakyPete

What? All the second one needs is some concertina wire and you could put people away for LIFE.

Chad Miller

It could also be a zombie proof apartment building . . . .

Non Sequitur

I prefer the sunset in the 2nd pic


Feb 13, 20 2:50 pm
Chad Miller

Dang polite Canadian. Always finding the good in most things. 8-)

threeohdoor

I'm getting a lot of Rebel Alliance vs. Empire vibes here.

Feb 13, 20 3:59 pm
atelier nobody

Nope and nope.

Feb 13, 20 4:08 pm
JLC-1

this is backwards in more than one way

https://www.grandcastle.com/

Feb 13, 20 4:09 pm
JLC-1

it has a torture chamber as well


tduds

Marketing Pitch: Live in a castle! Like a King!

 Reality:

archanonymous

If you wedge something between a classic Terra Cotta apartment building and a Bodega within a dense urban environment you can use almost any style and it will still be good.

Feb 13, 20 4:09 pm
atelier nobody

Maybe, but that's not what's happening here.

SneakyPete

The neighborhood can accept that building, there's lots of varied styles to be found, and it's no worse than the dozens of garbage stucco housing with "picture frames" and one-note design elements that are being thrown up all over the Bay Area. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

atelier nobody

I don't think any neighborhood that doesn't charge admission can accept that building. And the ride inside it better be damn good, too.

code

I have to put up with it, I live in Berkeley - the gunnite walls and stucco on the type 3 floors looks like crapiola next to the Euro modern Martinez hall next door - it just really degrades Berkeley - then the graffiti artists will make good work out of it

Feb 13, 20 5:50 pm
SneakyPete

Most of the recent construction has been trash. The housing beside Macarthur Bart is decent.

code

agreed

Feb 13, 20 6:16 pm
JawkneeMusic

just kill me

Feb 13, 20 7:06 pm

Yeah, I'm not deeply analyzing it but for some reasons the Berkeley project strikes me as cheeky and whimsical and fun while the Grand Rapids Castle is just depressing beyond words. 

BUt also this castle, on Camelback Mountain is Phoenix, I adore: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=camelback+mountain+castle&id=54700686CBACC04C508BDDAB8E06C2B155AA6441&FORM=IQFRBA

Feb 14, 20 10:49 am
monosierra

Yeah, there's a sense of humor with the Berkeley project - there was an attempt to play with material juxtapositions even though the upper portion looks pretty janky. An almost funhouse vibe. The Grand Rapids one seemed to take itself seriously and actually wanted to look like a proper castle - which it fails.

tduds

I think what bothers me more than anything about the Grand Rapids project is that the 'castle' motif is literally skin-deep. If you're going to build on a ridiculous concept at least have the courage to see it through the interiors. This is just some bland-as-hell Avalon Bay crap with a funny wrapper.

monosierra

Aye, my problem with cheap "classical" buildings and more serious new classical ones is that oftentimes the style boils down to a veneer - a skin that tries to resemble construction of old but which relies entirely on modern rainscreen systems to create the effect.

code

Here it is 0216_2020

Feb 18, 20 2:12 pm
atelier nobody

Even worse than the renderings.

Chad Miller

As an architect, meh. As a rock climber, ooooo!

atelier nobody

Chad, if you want to put your whole bodyweight on some EIFS foam, you go right ahead.

Wood Guy

Looks like a Disney version of a Gaudi design. Still better than the castle.

Chad Miller

Meh, I've climbed rock more chossey than EFIS.

Non Sequitur

Are you calling Chad fat?

Chad Miller

I am fat!

SneakyPete

Pinnacles or this building: you choose!

bowling_ball

Both are garbage and we all know it. Let's not try to justify one over the other, but rather call them what they are.


However as neither of these are in my city, nor pay my mortgage, I have zero fucks to give either way. 

Feb 18, 20 5:10 pm
tintt

Any time I feel bad about my design work, I will look at this thread. Thank you.

Feb 18, 20 6:52 pm

Architecturally, hate both. The Berkeley project is partly redeemed by its location along a vibrant urban corridor. 

Feb 19, 20 8:20 am
midlander

berkley: silliness is underused as an architectural effect. cave-style is tacky but i appreciate the effort to be playful in a more subtle way than just using clashing colors.

grand rapids: this castle-compound is baffling - this kind of ugly suggests profound incompetence. is west-central michigan experiencing the kind of population boom to justify a single project that accomodates 10% of the entire town's housing stock (this is literally true... google a bit!). I can't imagine this isn't a massive failure as both an investment and a design.

OTOH the grandcastle is a good rebuttal against everyone who says traditional style architecture is necessarily the way to relate to the scale of existing communities...

BTW Fugly is literally the name of the design architect!



Feb 19, 20 9:10 am
Chad Miller

That's hilarious!

proto

the grand castle just so gallingly awful in every respect that might relate to human experience...

Feb 19, 20 12:47 pm

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