if the "shitting on each other" happens it's probably encouraged by the bosses, happened to me once, and there is no safe place. Brought an entire satellite office down in 6 months.
The only people actively doing this in my office at the bottom of the pile and int-des. You move up and get better projects not by complaining about others but by actually doing good work.
in this case, the hog was brought in by the chairman, who was to stay in the HQ, and come regularly to fire people. you know the tale of the frog and the scorpion, right?
I learned from a Canuck, throw yourself under the bus if you're the boss. what you learn real quick watching him do it and having done it a few times, like throw yourself under the bus in front of the client, who is your friend in the room. only really douching clients just keeping dogging the issue. If the boss does it instead of employees, most clients are sympathetic, they know you're working on a zillion jobs, payroll and managing people.
I've tossed myself under quite a few buses. I’ve got an armored hide and too old now to give a shit. My team screws up under my watch making it my problem... So rather than whine how I wasn't given experienced team member or unrealistic deadlines, it's more like "Yup... that was shit I handed in. We're working on resolving it now and here are my redlines. Would you like to add anything you think I missed?" (and just bought myself a few more days I should have had in the first place). You ever tried to argue with someone who agrees with you? You can't.
I do the same with those who try and toss me under buses. Crazy train it with a deadpan face and blame your parents for not hugging you much as a child. Short, sweet, and cut through the bullshit with sarcasm deflating their accusations without accepting blame. Then present the solution. It’s something you’ll find with the ‘wasn’t me’ crowd. They spend so much energy finding a patsy and creating a plausible alibi that they did not spend any time finding the solution. You state the problem, find the solution and be the hero.
Bosses and people in general don’t like the blame game, but value those who fix the problems and can make their inner child laugh. Learn to handle conflict with unflappable confidence and grace under pressure; you should know your bosses deal with this regularly from clients and their gut instinct is knowing the guy pointing fingers usually shares a significant portion of the blame (GC’s do this all the time).
Sometimes it's more complicated (crazy). I got tossed under the bus for not agreeing with an opinion then subsequently blamed for a multitude of problems. This is a project I'm not even working on but was just asked an opinion on. I'm ok with riding under the bus too. Nice and gritty down here.
I had a colleague throw me under the bus with the Big Boss. The PIC at the local office went to bat for me and the Big Boss came and apologized for chewing me out. I'd do pretty much anything for that PIC, he had my back.
You ever tried to argue with someone who agrees with you? You can't.
This works on really bitchy clients as well. They bitch and bitch and you just, yes you are correct. It's like they got stopped at the edge of cliff and don't know how to respond. Kind of funny. It's totally worth admitting it your fault even if it isn't just to shut them up.
but there is a limit tintt. some will get douchy and try to then step on you and that's when you walk them thru all their stupidity. I slightly raise my voice and the strain in my voice sounds like I might rip someones head off.... point is, I was being nice and now you just pissed me off and you know you're wrong.
The Bus
To the bosses out there, do you know when your minions are shitting on each other to make themselves look good?
or operating a practice on public transportation.
if the "shitting on each other" happens it's probably encouraged by the bosses, happened to me once, and there is no safe place. Brought an entire satellite office down in 6 months.
^ agree, divide and rule
but how does management encourage it? by not shutting it down when they see it happen?
^ that is one way, another is giving a performance bonus to a known credit hog
The only people actively doing this in my office at the bottom of the pile and int-des. You move up and get better projects not by complaining about others but by actually doing good work.
why reward a credit hog is it's obvious what they are doing?
NS - that's what i'm observing here. (minus the int-des, which we don't have)
in this case, the hog was brought in by the chairman, who was to stay in the HQ, and come regularly to fire people. you know the tale of the frog and the scorpion, right?
Just got tossed under the #32 bus headed west.
by olaf tintt?
No.
I learned from a Canuck, throw yourself under the bus if you're the boss. what you learn real quick watching him do it and having done it a few times, like throw yourself under the bus in front of the client, who is your friend in the room. only really douching clients just keeping dogging the issue. If the boss does it instead of employees, most clients are sympathetic, they know you're working on a zillion jobs, payroll and managing people.
I've tossed myself under quite a few buses. I’ve got an armored hide and too old now to give a shit. My team screws up under my watch making it my problem... So rather than whine how I wasn't given experienced team member or unrealistic deadlines, it's more like "Yup... that was shit I handed in. We're working on resolving it now and here are my redlines. Would you like to add anything you think I missed?" (and just bought myself a few more days I should have had in the first place). You ever tried to argue with someone who agrees with you? You can't.
I do the same with those who try and toss me under buses. Crazy train it with a deadpan face and blame your parents for not hugging you much as a child. Short, sweet, and cut through the bullshit with sarcasm deflating their accusations without accepting blame. Then present the solution. It’s something you’ll find with the ‘wasn’t me’ crowd. They spend so much energy finding a patsy and creating a plausible alibi that they did not spend any time finding the solution. You state the problem, find the solution and be the hero.
Bosses and people in general don’t like the blame game, but value those who fix the problems and can make their inner child laugh. Learn to handle conflict with unflappable confidence and grace under pressure; you should know your bosses deal with this regularly from clients and their gut instinct is knowing the guy pointing fingers usually shares a significant portion of the blame (GC’s do this all the time).
Sometimes it's more complicated (crazy). I got tossed under the bus for not agreeing with an opinion then subsequently blamed for a multitude of problems. This is a project I'm not even working on but was just asked an opinion on. I'm ok with riding under the bus too. Nice and gritty down here.
I had a colleague throw me under the bus with the Big Boss. The PIC at the local office went to bat for me and the Big Boss came and apologized for chewing me out. I'd do pretty much anything for that PIC, he had my back.
You ever tried to argue with someone who agrees with you? You can't.
This works on really bitchy clients as well. They bitch and bitch and you just, yes you are correct. It's like they got stopped at the edge of cliff and don't know how to respond. Kind of funny. It's totally worth admitting it your fault even if it isn't just to shut them up.
Good idea. I'll take all the blame.
but there is a limit tintt. some will get douchy and try to then step on you and that's when you walk them thru all their stupidity. I slightly raise my voice and the strain in my voice sounds like I might rip someones head off.... point is, I was being nice and now you just pissed me off and you know you're wrong.
Yeah, I'm not sure it'll go over well either. Ignoring.
And don't give a crap while you do it.
It all blew over. My non-reaction reaction worked just fine.
that's great tintt!
now time to plan your revenge
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