Anyone else watching this stuff? Sam Bulte's out, thankfully, but what's up with the Winnipeg turn toward jowls and conservativism? Conservative jowls. And Flaherty? Oda? Scheer?
Canada! What's going on up there?
Why is Europe/US/Canada shifting right while South America goes left/indigenous? What's happening?
i think it is loss of respect for the liberal party more than anything...even i am pissed off at the nonsense they are up to and i am living overseas.
but both sides are centrist so there won't be a huge difference, will there...i strongly doubt bush is gonna find a new friend. harper has already said he won't be sending troops to iraq as peace-keepers or otherwise.
didn't know about winnipeg, though it is my home-town.
far as i can tell, the south american shift is a direct response to huge problems with corruption. i am doubtful the shift is going to bring out any real reforms, though i am hopeful.
It's still interesting... I haven't kept up with things here as much as I would have liked, but I still get the impression that there's a lot of parity between how I felt with the 2004 U.S. elections and how Canadians feel with this one in terms of an unprogressive, religiously-based, non-representational government being elected into power because, basically, it's the only option in a society so dominated by issues that are balanced so precariously that emotions like fear [whether it's from the percieved war on terror (c) or erosion of moral values] can dramatically tip things out of balance.
As a friend of mine put it, 'They're going to win, but let's hope they don't win by too much.'
We have to look at this realistically though. The tories will be forced to ride this government down the centre. There is no way they will be able to push through any very right wing conservative agenda without foricing an election. Luckily enough, there is no logical coaltion that the tories can make on many of their more contraversial issues. The strong NDP support is very encouraging, no? I believe that we'll see a very centrist gov't in the near future, at least that's my hope.
I think all this right wingerism is a direct reaction against John Travolta and Sean Penn. People have had enough of the in your face Liberals all over the media outlets. Its a shame really because the stars have distorted the liberal messege, away from it's people based roots. What the liberals need in the west is to dis-associate themselves from celebrity, and get back to the fundamental messege, and now is the time in America at least, where the Republican party seems to be becoming the bloated old Democratic party of the 60's....its all topsy turvey I tell ya...
To add to the confusion i was reading the other day in a uk newspaper that all the conditions are now in place for Quebec to soon obtain its independance through a second refrendum.
This is so typical, all this drama and looking for a big splashy story, when in fact, nothing that ground-breaking is about to happen. Sorry to break the boring (oh so Canadian) news.
it isn't boring, it's a set-up for what canada will be in the future. it might not be immediate extreme change right now, but i don't mind that if it means that we're not "trying to save other countries by taking them over and bombing the shit out of them".
so yes, with a minority gov't this means that we will be running through the middle for the next couple of years. but if the conservatives evade scandal, who knows where the majority vote will go in the next election and that will likely be the big change.
i definitely wouldn't bank on quebec independence just because it comes with far too many conditions and businesses based in montreal need the rest of canada, especially ontario.
The boring remark was a bit tongue in cheek, and in fact, I don't find it boring at all. I'm hoping that we don't have another election for a long time actually. I'm all for keeping the gov't on the centre track. The fact that it is a minority gov't is a HUGE relief for me.
I'm not quite in the betting mood yet for November 2006. Since I live in the "the most equally divided state" there will be plenty of campaining soon enough.
It's nice to see change in Canada and I agree with mountainman that nothing really will change too dramatically. Not like they will abolish the 7% GST. And hasn't Winnipeg always been more conservative? It's no Toronto by any means.
Canada has always intrigued me as BC and Alberta seem to have more in common with western USA than eastern Canada. While Ontario and eastern provinces seem to have more in common with New England USA than they do with the western provinces. As the huge commodities industry in western Canada continues to grow I see Canada getting more and more conservative. Just an effect of an economy that relies so heavily on business that liberal parties work so hard to restrict. Just how I see it.
I agree that change is good, however I am quite embarassed to have Stephen Harper as my Prime Minister. With our strong economy and a strong need to push a socially responsible agenda, now is the a time for a much more socialist gov't, one that can reinvest in social programs, education, health care, etc. have been hacked away at over the years.
so, America...i agree, Ochona...the pendulum is swinging back leftwards after 12 years of a republican-controlled legislature, and we will most likely be up for two democrat-led senate terms and a solid 8 years of a democrat in the white house...the republicans and their bible-thumbing mouthpieces have shown even the most indifferent and detached americans. mass media/journalism will turn it around after the Nth republican blunder, and we will awaken to at least a glimpse of some of our real problems, at home and elsewhere.
(the fact that this is wishful thinking pinning logic to the floor notwithstanding,) it'll happen!
I'm just waiting for America's downfall. Not eagerly, by any means, but I think I'll be alive to see it. Maybe I can bank on my last name and get a foreign passport? I doubt it. Call me unpatriotic. . . you'd at least be telling the truth.
I know this is a discussion, or was, on Canada, but my two cents = worth at LEAST two nickels.
I hate the current Conservative party. As far as I'm concerned, they don't even deserve to carry that party name. The Tories sold their souls when they merged with those nut job Alliance/Reform guys.
When guys like Joe Clark were running the Tories, you could count on a party that was fiscally conservative but kept it's nose out of the "moral issue" bullshit. They were actually a reasonable alternative to the Liberals. What's a "centralist" voter to do now? Re-elect a lazy, corrupt Liberal government or support the new Conservatives who seek to outlaw abortion and gay marriage? A tough choice indeed. Granted, the NDP and Bloc (left leaning parties) both hold too much swing for anything to get out of hand, but I'm just disapointed with the state of politics in this country.
R.I.P. the old "Red Torries".
"As has been the case in the United States, cultural Marxism largely has been foisted upon Canada by the courts. If judges who respect the Constitution were to be appointed they would confirm that such rights are not to be found in that document. Sound familiar?"
--Paul Weyrich, Free Congress Foundation
it's the same as what happened to the republicans in the US -- and it's sad, because i can't really stomach voting for a party that takes my money and gives it to people solely because of their race -- but i also can't stomach voting for a party that won't let my best friend marry his boyfriend
it is poorly written, which makes it hard to catch, but all the people they are talking to are clearly just short of being morons. like the bit about marxism having no link to abortion on demand and gay marriage..
harper won't change much i think. he simply doesn't have the power and is mostly in office as a reaction to martin rather than on his own merits. if he gets too crazy he will simply be voted out...
least that is my hope and view through rose colored glasses...
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Anyone else watching this stuff? Sam Bulte's out, thankfully, but what's up with the Winnipeg turn toward jowls and conservativism? Conservative jowls. And Flaherty? Oda? Scheer?
Canada! What's going on up there?
Why is Europe/US/Canada shifting right while South America goes left/indigenous? What's happening?
i think it is loss of respect for the liberal party more than anything...even i am pissed off at the nonsense they are up to and i am living overseas.
but both sides are centrist so there won't be a huge difference, will there...i strongly doubt bush is gonna find a new friend. harper has already said he won't be sending troops to iraq as peace-keepers or otherwise.
didn't know about winnipeg, though it is my home-town.
far as i can tell, the south american shift is a direct response to huge problems with corruption. i am doubtful the shift is going to bring out any real reforms, though i am hopeful.
It's still interesting... I haven't kept up with things here as much as I would have liked, but I still get the impression that there's a lot of parity between how I felt with the 2004 U.S. elections and how Canadians feel with this one in terms of an unprogressive, religiously-based, non-representational government being elected into power because, basically, it's the only option in a society so dominated by issues that are balanced so precariously that emotions like fear [whether it's from the percieved war on terror (c) or erosion of moral values] can dramatically tip things out of balance.
As a friend of mine put it, 'They're going to win, but let's hope they don't win by too much.'
We have to look at this realistically though. The tories will be forced to ride this government down the centre. There is no way they will be able to push through any very right wing conservative agenda without foricing an election. Luckily enough, there is no logical coaltion that the tories can make on many of their more contraversial issues. The strong NDP support is very encouraging, no? I believe that we'll see a very centrist gov't in the near future, at least that's my hope.
I think all this right wingerism is a direct reaction against John Travolta and Sean Penn. People have had enough of the in your face Liberals all over the media outlets. Its a shame really because the stars have distorted the liberal messege, away from it's people based roots. What the liberals need in the west is to dis-associate themselves from celebrity, and get back to the fundamental messege, and now is the time in America at least, where the Republican party seems to be becoming the bloated old Democratic party of the 60's....its all topsy turvey I tell ya...
hahaha suck it michael moore!
To add to the confusion i was reading the other day in a uk newspaper that all the conditions are now in place for Quebec to soon obtain its independance through a second refrendum.
Would it be a radical notion to think that in 50 years even the notion of "nation" will be obsolete?
This is so typical, all this drama and looking for a big splashy story, when in fact, nothing that ground-breaking is about to happen. Sorry to break the boring (oh so Canadian) news.
it isn't boring, it's a set-up for what canada will be in the future. it might not be immediate extreme change right now, but i don't mind that if it means that we're not "trying to save other countries by taking them over and bombing the shit out of them".
so yes, with a minority gov't this means that we will be running through the middle for the next couple of years. but if the conservatives evade scandal, who knows where the majority vote will go in the next election and that will likely be the big change.
i definitely wouldn't bank on quebec independence just because it comes with far too many conditions and businesses based in montreal need the rest of canada, especially ontario.
The boring remark was a bit tongue in cheek, and in fact, I don't find it boring at all. I'm hoping that we don't have another election for a long time actually. I'm all for keeping the gov't on the centre track. The fact that it is a minority gov't is a HUGE relief for me.
canada "shifts" right...but just wait for november when the US "shifts" left
who wants to lay down some bets here? democrats regain house by majority of 5, republicans keep senate.
I'm not quite in the betting mood yet for November 2006. Since I live in the "the most equally divided state" there will be plenty of campaining soon enough.
It's nice to see change in Canada and I agree with mountainman that nothing really will change too dramatically. Not like they will abolish the 7% GST. And hasn't Winnipeg always been more conservative? It's no Toronto by any means.
Canada has always intrigued me as BC and Alberta seem to have more in common with western USA than eastern Canada. While Ontario and eastern provinces seem to have more in common with New England USA than they do with the western provinces. As the huge commodities industry in western Canada continues to grow I see Canada getting more and more conservative. Just an effect of an economy that relies so heavily on business that liberal parties work so hard to restrict. Just how I see it.
I agree that change is good, however I am quite embarassed to have Stephen Harper as my Prime Minister. With our strong economy and a strong need to push a socially responsible agenda, now is the a time for a much more socialist gov't, one that can reinvest in social programs, education, health care, etc. have been hacked away at over the years.
so, America...i agree, Ochona...the pendulum is swinging back leftwards after 12 years of a republican-controlled legislature, and we will most likely be up for two democrat-led senate terms and a solid 8 years of a democrat in the white house...the republicans and their bible-thumbing mouthpieces have shown even the most indifferent and detached americans. mass media/journalism will turn it around after the Nth republican blunder, and we will awaken to at least a glimpse of some of our real problems, at home and elsewhere.
(the fact that this is wishful thinking pinning logic to the floor notwithstanding,) it'll happen!
hmmm, i am sensing a consensus trend here...
Hummm....Qubec...could become our 51st State....nothing like adding some liberal thought to the Democratic Party.....
I'm just waiting for America's downfall. Not eagerly, by any means, but I think I'll be alive to see it. Maybe I can bank on my last name and get a foreign passport? I doubt it. Call me unpatriotic. . . you'd at least be telling the truth.
I know this is a discussion, or was, on Canada, but my two cents = worth at LEAST two nickels.
I hate the current Conservative party. As far as I'm concerned, they don't even deserve to carry that party name. The Tories sold their souls when they merged with those nut job Alliance/Reform guys.
When guys like Joe Clark were running the Tories, you could count on a party that was fiscally conservative but kept it's nose out of the "moral issue" bullshit. They were actually a reasonable alternative to the Liberals. What's a "centralist" voter to do now? Re-elect a lazy, corrupt Liberal government or support the new Conservatives who seek to outlaw abortion and gay marriage? A tough choice indeed. Granted, the NDP and Bloc (left leaning parties) both hold too much swing for anything to get out of hand, but I'm just disapointed with the state of politics in this country.
R.I.P. the old "Red Torries".
Has anyone read this CBC article yet?
It's BRUTAL!!
"As has been the case in the United States, cultural Marxism largely has been foisted upon Canada by the courts. If judges who respect the Constitution were to be appointed they would confirm that such rights are not to be found in that document. Sound familiar?"
--Paul Weyrich, Free Congress Foundation
it's the same as what happened to the republicans in the US -- and it's sad, because i can't really stomach voting for a party that takes my money and gives it to people solely because of their race -- but i also can't stomach voting for a party that won't let my best friend marry his boyfriend
that article is funny.
it is poorly written, which makes it hard to catch, but all the people they are talking to are clearly just short of being morons. like the bit about marxism having no link to abortion on demand and gay marriage..
harper won't change much i think. he simply doesn't have the power and is mostly in office as a reaction to martin rather than on his own merits. if he gets too crazy he will simply be voted out...
least that is my hope and view through rose colored glasses...
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