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thenew

Hey everyone,
Does anyone know where I can find diagrams of city plans (of major cities such as New York, Los Angeles, Paris, Rome, etc.)? Simple diagrams that show layouts of specific cities?

I am looking for something not like a map, but something along the lines of a black and white or figure/ground diagram for several cities.

Maybe there is a web resource, or a publication? Any advice would be great, thanks!

 
Jun 5, 08 6:02 pm
citizen

Loot at "Great Streets" by Allan Jacobs. There are same-scale figure-ground plans of PORTIONS of many cities, to compare their physical fabrics. Unfortunately, the plans are partial and not full.

Jun 5, 08 6:32 pm  · 
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won and done williams

didn't collage city have a range of figure grounds?

Jun 5, 08 6:37 pm  · 
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mdler

technically these still are maps...but they are maps of the figure / ground

Jun 5, 08 6:41 pm  · 
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won and done williams
collage city

doesn't have much. sorry.

Jun 5, 08 7:05 pm  · 
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xtbl

you could always -GASP- make your own!

Jun 5, 08 7:16 pm  · 
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AP
The 1748 Map of Rome, by Giambattista Nolli
Jun 5, 08 7:16 pm  · 
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citizen

Dread, you BASTARD!

Jun 5, 08 8:24 pm  · 
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Alan Loomis

Check out the City Plates by Not Neutral, the product development wing of Rios Clementi Hale Studios

Jun 6, 08 2:01 am  · 
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xtbl

ha ha ha, how dare i suggest that!?

but really, if you can't find exactly what you're looking for, just use google earth + autocad, and boom, you've got your own figure/ground, nolli maps of whatever city you want.

Jun 6, 08 2:26 am  · 
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"The Co-op Guy"

you could always take a map from the library and hand trace out a figure ground and shade in all the buildings like I had to do for my media class last year... ugh.

Jun 6, 08 2:45 am  · 
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nb072

sounds like a great idea for a book

Jun 6, 08 8:37 am  · 
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Philarch

Look up Kevin Lynch to see how to do city plan diagrams.

Jun 6, 08 9:17 am  · 
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citizen

We forget that we learn much more by actually documenting something ourselves than by reviewing documents by others.

Jun 6, 08 9:26 am  · 
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gandelsonas and agrest's books might have some good material for you. especially the stuff i remember from the late 80s. they were doing some pretty fun city form analyses. a lot of it had to do with aligned axes, etc, but some on figure/ground as well.

Jun 6, 08 9:29 am  · 
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Philarch

citizen - very true. I was implicitly implying that with my Kevin Lynch reference. I would even argue there is a level of subjectiveness that is very significant in understanding a city on a diagrammatic level. For example, in Philadelphia, I see the Ben Franklin Parkway as a very strong "edge" or divider than as a "path." Others might not see it that way, and its important to be aware of that subjectiveness.

Jun 6, 08 9:46 am  · 
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won and done williams
the metropolitan world atlas

is a great resource.

Jun 6, 08 10:02 am  · 
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citizen

Yes, Phil. I haven't read Lynch for a while, but the subjectivity of interpretation was an important aspect of the study, I recall. The five elements emerged as common constructs, but in the end were always deployed subjectively by individuals.

Jun 6, 08 10:58 am  · 
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i.e., analysis/interpretation is an act of design.

Jun 6, 08 11:04 am  · 
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Jun 6, 08 2:40 pm  · 
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Philarch

Seeing the city as simply a figure ground would be too superficial in my opinion. Its the most basic and requires the least amount of interpretation/analysis/thought (often doesn't even require that you know the city at all).

For example, if an old building is renovated with an important program - the figure ground remains the same but it becomes a landmark. Another example would be when cities change transportation access - like excluding vehicular traffic at certain times (or permanently) - that changes paths, edges, and even create temporary nodes/landmarks. There may even be an invisible edge that is simply created by a perception of change in "district" - most easily seen when crossing a district in which there is a huge economic disparity (mostly impossible to see from a figure ground). These things can change over time without necessarily changing the figure ground. I would hate to have an old diagram of a city unless you wanted to see it at a certain time/date.

Jun 6, 08 3:46 pm  · 
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SCHWARZPLAN.eu

Here you can download a free version of a NYC plan:

https://www.schwarzplan.eu/en/figure-ground-diagram-shop/free-figure-ground-plans/figure-ground-plan-new-york/

Jan 27, 15 4:00 pm  · 
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