I am starting a new thread that is about other threads. You can talk about other discussions taking a place in Archinect and make cross references to a particular link, picture, response and whatever else you deem necessary or entertaining or thought provoking about the other thread. thus the name: Thread Central
here are some examples of comments that comes to mind:
* hey did you read on --------- thread ------- thinks frank gehry is good. hahahaharhar..
or,
*i can't believe he said that. how stupid of him. asshole.on top of it he is got hundreds of posts. gimme a break.
or,
* this is the best thread.. fuck the others..
or,
*****Thread Alert******
read the -----thread yet??? there is a dog fight going on between ----- and-----.it is about gondolas and pollution in Venice..see you there.
or,
* yeaah, i don't read that thread either. its kind a boring.
or,
*i am thinking about starting a discussion about ------------- ---- ---- will you guys in Thread Central post in it and say wow it a great thread?. it was about time 'somebody' (insert my name please) picked up on it.. and discuss it?
like whatever..
Josh Mings
Jan 5, 17 12:16 am
I'm not sure I'd call it a waste, but that's because I'd love to have a $4 billion budget.
b3tadine[sutures]
Jan 5, 17 7:15 am
For $4 billion, that thing better flap its wings.
Non Sequitur
Jan 5, 17 7:44 am
I'd say it looks more like a beached whale skeleton than a bird.
I've dabled a bit in projects with billon+ budgets but they were city-wide mass transit proposals and included land acquisition (read: expropriation). It's fun to toss in $150 million extras like it was a single door hardware ccn.
archiwutm8
Jan 5, 17 8:37 am
You know what it looks like? Absolute trash for $4B.
Donna Sink
Jan 5, 17 8:50 am
My standard comment when anyone says the $4B number: That number is the cost of the *station*. The majority of that cost was all the major, major underground infrastructure work that you don't see, where the trains are. The birdy thing itself was a small portion of the budget, relatively.
Non Sequitur
Jan 5, 17 9:15 am
^do we have an estimate of the cost of the actual bird-thing?
David Cole, AIA
Jan 5, 17 10:32 am
A huge portion of the cost overruns were the result of public officials sticking their noses into the design process and making ridiculous demands. For example, Gov. Cuomo demanded that the public plaza at street level be complete in time for the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, even though the below-ground facilities under the plaza were still years away from completion. And the NYPD demanded that the birdy thing use roughly double the amount of structural steel (all unique custom shapes) beyond what was required, in order to supposedly make it resistant to truck bombs.
Calatrava isn't blameless; he demanded that the NYC subway tracks carrying the 1 train essentially be built on a giant railroad bridge -- while the subway had to remain running 24/7 -- so as not to obstruct his concourse with columns. But let's be realistic about the true causes of New York's horribly dysfunctional way of building infrastructure.
Keep in mind that there's only a small handful of contractors in NYC who are even qualified to build major underground transit infrastructure, and they've been busy with other major projects such as the Second Avenue Subway, the 7 train extension, the LIRR East Side Access project, and the Fulton Street Transit Center. As such, they're in a position to pretty much name their price. (Many other states use design-build for these types of projects, but design-build doesn't really exist in New York State due to the legalities involved.)
Just for comparison, the first phase of the Second Avenue Subway just opened up last week. It involves two miles of tunnels and three new stations, has been delayed for over 80 years, cost $4.45 billion to build, and had 48,000 riders on its first day.
Seattle, by contrast, recently opened an extension of its light rail system, 3 miles of tunnels with two new underground stations, at a cost of $1.9 billion. It opened six months early and $200M under budget, and had a ridership of 72,000 people on its first day.
Granted, it's not a strict apples-to-apples comparison, but it gives you a sense of the scale of the problem.
Josh Mings
Jan 5, 17 10:41 am
I wish I had a project come in under budget so I could do whatever the opposite of VE is.
Donna Sink
Jan 5, 17 11:05 am
Living in Gin for the win!
Thanks David.
Wilma Buttfit
Jan 5, 17 11:08 am
Interesting David. Thanks.
This isn't my first time in the city, I must have forgotten this, but I'm shocked at how old fashioned everything is. And friendly! Not kidding. I expected the opposite on both counts. Taking a tour of an architect's office today who shall remain nameless but I'm super excited! Then heading home.
archanonymous
Jan 5, 17 11:16 am
Josh, the opposite of VE is bedazzling.
Everyday Intern
Jan 5, 17 11:39 am
I've only ever knowingly met one other archinector IRL. He was kind of a jerk about it.
Josh Mings
Jan 5, 17 12:34 pm
I wish I could bedazzle the shit out of some affordable housing. Sadly, it is constant VE. Trump isn't doing any favors with the funding markets right now.
I'm at 3 or 4 archinectors.
Non Sequitur
Jan 5, 17 12:46 pm
btw, Team Canada will destroy team USA tonight in junior hockey.
Everyday Intern
Jan 5, 17 1:01 pm
^ Obviously. Little Billy can't keep his slapshot out of Mrs. McGregor's soffit.
Wilma Buttfit
Jan 5, 17 4:55 pm
EI, some archinectoers are jerks alright, but most I've met have been great. It is a huge risk when you meet someone IRL that you met on the Internet, no doubt.
Office tour was great. I would love to work there.... shoulda dropped my resume off. But then got a great job lead while riding to the airport. On the west coast of course. Why not? That's why I live in the middle...
Bench
Jan 5, 17 4:59 pm
Considering our goaltending it may be a bit early to talk smack...
Bench
Jan 5, 17 5:00 pm
Either way the Sens win with the way Chabot and White are playing !
Non Sequitur
Jan 5, 17 5:15 pm
Indeed the sens do win either way.
Donna Sink
Jan 5, 17 6:05 pm
I had a GREAT day today, which sucks.
I took today and tomorrow off my regular job to work on a a little freelance job and small public art commission that's due end of January. And I had a GREAT day working on something fun for a change, working from home, being creative...I want every day to be like this!
Damn USian health care system. It's the killer of dreams.
Wilma Buttfit
Jan 5, 17 6:16 pm
Donna, if you want to be a freelancer again you can join my freelancing co-op where we trade ideas and resources. Do it! The lifestyle kicks ass!
Donna Sink
Jan 5, 17 6:37 pm
I KNOW IT DOES! But I need insurance for my family. Last I checked ACA would cost us the same as our mortgage. I can't afford that.
Wilma Buttfit
Jan 5, 17 7:21 pm
But you make more when you freelance. I think it is worth it.
Everyday Intern
Jan 5, 17 7:32 pm
I feel like I missed something. Where did the there come from? ... and where did the no there go?
Donna Sink
Jan 5, 17 7:34 pm
I've not been able to tap into big enough freelance jobs to make more than I make at my cushy institutional job. And since my husband is running his own brand new business, one of us needs the benefits and steadiness. He's looking to do very well this year, but we need my stability right now to be sure.
sukk741
Jan 6, 17 12:03 am
I do not think this is a good solution for both mossonline preserved on book shelves RayRay unfortunately it was just too much space loss at the base for "high case of 24 books.
Wilma Buttfit
Jan 6, 17 9:17 am
Donna, stability?? What's that? I have seen any for years. I'm used to it, it's part of the fun.
EI, I must have found something... it was there the whole time actually but I had clouded perceptions. :)
b3tadine[sutures]
Jan 6, 17 9:30 am
USA USA USA! Go juniors!
Non Sequitur
Jan 6, 17 9:47 am
Booooo
good game thou.
Wilma Buttfit
Jan 6, 17 10:38 am
Back in sunny Colorado. :) I'm so happy to be back!
Bench
Jan 6, 17 2:03 pm
I hate shootouts
Non Sequitur
Jan 6, 17 2:18 pm
^Agreed.
I joked in the office this morning that shootouts were necessary due to child-labour laws preventing us to make kids work/play more than 80mins per day.
that was a fun read, funny guy... he signs-off as P. P for player? they probably just got 5 more commisions out of that free media coverage....
Bench
Jan 6, 17 11:33 pm
Can't we just have the fucking hockey? It's not even like you care about it or anything. ONE THING.
bowling_ball
Jan 7, 17 7:11 pm
Tonight is our (wife and i) annual winter house party! We've got an ice bar with Jager and fireball shots (in ice shot glasses of course). Two bonfires. A keg. 50 friends. Held entirely outdoors in -40 weather. One of the best nights of the year, wish us luck!
citizen
Jan 7, 17 8:37 pm
^ I have to say that sounds pretty awesome, B_B.
Donna Sink
Jan 7, 17 8:51 pm
NEGATIVE 40?!?!?! YOU COULD DIE!!!!!
But it does sound fun as long as the fireball flows. Enjoy!
Non Sequitur
Jan 7, 17 9:04 pm
-40C (or F... it's the same at that point) is not unheard of up here Donna. We get about a few -35C or more days per year.
Bowling, where's my invite?
Bench
Jan 7, 17 10:24 pm
Yeah but I don't know too many people who party outside in it.
I love explaining to friends/coworkers in London the reality of living in a place where -20 C is considered balmy in January. Heads explode.
bowling_ball
Jan 8, 17 12:08 am
So far, so good. We have 3 fires going to keep everyone warm. Right now there's about 50 people here. Time for a shot of fireball.
Donna Sink
Jan 8, 17 10:30 am
bowling_ball DID invite us to the party - he's posting from it to TC!! Thank you!
Hope everyone had fun and you aren't too hung over this morning!
bowling_ball
Jan 8, 17 5:31 pm
So we're all a little slower today but everyone cleared out by about 3am with zero drunken drama. You're all invited to the next one! Happy new year.
gruen
Jan 9, 17 1:34 pm
New design: cover the entire facade with shutters. The all shutter house.
citizen
Jan 9, 17 2:13 pm
^^ EXCEPT for 2 feet on either side of windows. BOOM! Irony!
senjohnblutarsky
Jan 9, 17 2:16 pm
I just think all shutters should be too small for the windows. That way we know they're fake. That would be great.
Yeah...
Josh Mings
Jan 9, 17 3:20 pm
Fake shutters are just the best. So great. They really make a window great again. America makes the best fake shutters. China has the worst fake shutters. Sad!
The only people I've known that think fake shutters are nice were on that side of the political spectrum.
I am starting a new thread that is about other threads. You can talk about other discussions taking a place in Archinect and make cross references to a particular link, picture, response and whatever else you deem necessary or entertaining or thought provoking about the other thread. thus the name: Thread Central
here are some examples of comments that comes to mind:
* hey did you read on --------- thread ------- thinks frank gehry is good. hahahaharhar..
or,
*i can't believe he said that. how stupid of him. asshole.on top of it he is got hundreds of posts. gimme a break.
or,
* this is the best thread.. fuck the others..
or,
*****Thread Alert******
read the -----thread yet??? there is a dog fight going on between ----- and-----.it is about gondolas and pollution in Venice..see you there.
or,
* yeaah, i don't read that thread either. its kind a boring.
or,
*i am thinking about starting a discussion about ------------- ---- ---- will you guys in Thread Central post in it and say wow it a great thread?. it was about time 'somebody' (insert my name please) picked up on it.. and discuss it?
like whatever..
I'm not sure I'd call it a waste, but that's because I'd love to have a $4 billion budget.
For $4 billion, that thing better flap its wings.
I'd say it looks more like a beached whale skeleton than a bird.
I've dabled a bit in projects with billon+ budgets but they were city-wide mass transit proposals and included land acquisition (read: expropriation). It's fun to toss in $150 million extras like it was a single door hardware ccn.
You know what it looks like? Absolute trash for $4B.
My standard comment when anyone says the $4B number: That number is the cost of the *station*. The majority of that cost was all the major, major underground infrastructure work that you don't see, where the trains are. The birdy thing itself was a small portion of the budget, relatively.
^do we have an estimate of the cost of the actual bird-thing?
A huge portion of the cost overruns were the result of public officials sticking their noses into the design process and making ridiculous demands. For example, Gov. Cuomo demanded that the public plaza at street level be complete in time for the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, even though the below-ground facilities under the plaza were still years away from completion. And the NYPD demanded that the birdy thing use roughly double the amount of structural steel (all unique custom shapes) beyond what was required, in order to supposedly make it resistant to truck bombs.
Calatrava isn't blameless; he demanded that the NYC subway tracks carrying the 1 train essentially be built on a giant railroad bridge -- while the subway had to remain running 24/7 -- so as not to obstruct his concourse with columns. But let's be realistic about the true causes of New York's horribly dysfunctional way of building infrastructure.
Keep in mind that there's only a small handful of contractors in NYC who are even qualified to build major underground transit infrastructure, and they've been busy with other major projects such as the Second Avenue Subway, the 7 train extension, the LIRR East Side Access project, and the Fulton Street Transit Center. As such, they're in a position to pretty much name their price. (Many other states use design-build for these types of projects, but design-build doesn't really exist in New York State due to the legalities involved.)
Just for comparison, the first phase of the Second Avenue Subway just opened up last week. It involves two miles of tunnels and three new stations, has been delayed for over 80 years, cost $4.45 billion to build, and had 48,000 riders on its first day.
Seattle, by contrast, recently opened an extension of its light rail system, 3 miles of tunnels with two new underground stations, at a cost of $1.9 billion. It opened six months early and $200M under budget, and had a ridership of 72,000 people on its first day.
Granted, it's not a strict apples-to-apples comparison, but it gives you a sense of the scale of the problem.
I wish I had a project come in under budget so I could do whatever the opposite of VE is.
Living in Gin for the win!
Thanks David.
Interesting David. Thanks.
This isn't my first time in the city, I must have forgotten this, but I'm shocked at how old fashioned everything is. And friendly! Not kidding. I expected the opposite on both counts. Taking a tour of an architect's office today who shall remain nameless but I'm super excited! Then heading home.
Josh, the opposite of VE is bedazzling.
I've only ever knowingly met one other archinector IRL. He was kind of a jerk about it.
I wish I could bedazzle the shit out of some affordable housing. Sadly, it is constant VE. Trump isn't doing any favors with the funding markets right now.
I'm at 3 or 4 archinectors.
btw, Team Canada will destroy team USA tonight in junior hockey.
^ Obviously. Little Billy can't keep his slapshot out of Mrs. McGregor's soffit.
EI, some archinectoers are jerks alright, but most I've met have been great. It is a huge risk when you meet someone IRL that you met on the Internet, no doubt.
Office tour was great. I would love to work there.... shoulda dropped my resume off. But then got a great job lead while riding to the airport. On the west coast of course. Why not? That's why I live in the middle...
Considering our goaltending it may be a bit early to talk smack...
Either way the Sens win with the way Chabot and White are playing !
Indeed the sens do win either way.
I had a GREAT day today, which sucks.
I took today and tomorrow off my regular job to work on a a little freelance job and small public art commission that's due end of January. And I had a GREAT day working on something fun for a change, working from home, being creative...I want every day to be like this!
Damn USian health care system. It's the killer of dreams.
Donna, if you want to be a freelancer again you can join my freelancing co-op where we trade ideas and resources. Do it! The lifestyle kicks ass!
I KNOW IT DOES! But I need insurance for my family. Last I checked ACA would cost us the same as our mortgage. I can't afford that.
But you make more when you freelance. I think it is worth it.
I feel like I missed something. Where did the there come from? ... and where did the no there go?
I've not been able to tap into big enough freelance jobs to make more than I make at my cushy institutional job. And since my husband is running his own brand new business, one of us needs the benefits and steadiness. He's looking to do very well this year, but we need my stability right now to be sure.
I do not think this is a good solution for both mossonline preserved on book shelves RayRay unfortunately it was just too much space loss at the base for "high case of 24 books.
Donna, stability?? What's that? I have seen any for years. I'm used to it, it's part of the fun.
EI, I must have found something... it was there the whole time actually but I had clouded perceptions. :)
USA USA USA! Go juniors!
Booooo
good game thou.
Back in sunny Colorado. :) I'm so happy to be back!
I hate shootouts
^Agreed.
I joked in the office this morning that shootouts were necessary due to child-labour laws preventing us to make kids work/play more than 80mins per day.
Canada - always the #2 in North America!
Sorry I had to, you guys are awesome, eh?
^free health care and no trump thou.
ZHA imploding.
https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/leaked-extraordinary-schumacher-email-reveals-zha-fracture/10016125.article?blocktitle=news-feature&contentID=17134
Shoemaker sounds high AF.
that was a fun read, funny guy... he signs-off as P. P for player? they probably just got 5 more commisions out of that free media coverage....
Can't we just have the fucking hockey? It's not even like you care about it or anything. ONE THING.
Tonight is our (wife and i) annual winter house party! We've got an ice bar with Jager and fireball shots (in ice shot glasses of course). Two bonfires. A keg. 50 friends. Held entirely outdoors in -40 weather. One of the best nights of the year, wish us luck!
^ I have to say that sounds pretty awesome, B_B.
NEGATIVE 40?!?!?! YOU COULD DIE!!!!!
But it does sound fun as long as the fireball flows. Enjoy!
-40C (or F... it's the same at that point) is not unheard of up here Donna. We get about a few -35C or more days per year.
Bowling, where's my invite?
Yeah but I don't know too many people who party outside in it.
I love explaining to friends/coworkers in London the reality of living in a place where -20 C is considered balmy in January. Heads explode.
So far, so good. We have 3 fires going to keep everyone warm. Right now there's about 50 people here. Time for a shot of fireball.
bowling_ball DID invite us to the party - he's posting from it to TC!! Thank you!
Hope everyone had fun and you aren't too hung over this morning!
So we're all a little slower today but everyone cleared out by about 3am with zero drunken drama. You're all invited to the next one! Happy new year.
New design: cover the entire facade with shutters. The all shutter house.
^^ EXCEPT for 2 feet on either side of windows. BOOM! Irony!
I just think all shutters should be too small for the windows. That way we know they're fake. That would be great.
Yeah...
Fake shutters are just the best. So great. They really make a window great again. America makes the best fake shutters. China has the worst fake shutters. Sad!
The only people I've known that think fake shutters are nice were on that side of the political spectrum.