The majority of Japanese women are not into enjo kosai. No more than most American women are porn stars or escorts. It's just that the minority are lionized and exemplified as somehow more 'liberated' or 'independent' than others, by the men who are interested in having such a relationship. Female independence & sexuality isn't signified primarily by women's willingness to be some old man's pet in exchange for a louis vuitton purse.
i thought h.h bore no guilt. or was it covert? or , even more 'perversely', those little possible pockets of apologetic guilt were mabakov's sense of irony in mocking reverse? the man simply parodying guilt in the form of a mock confessional (and what is pornography but an idealized redundant confessional of an idea's pith over and over again)
i thought h.h bore no guilt. or was it covert? or , even more 'perversely', those little possible pockets of apologetic guilt were mabakov's sense of irony in mocking reverse? the man simply parodying guilt in the form of a mock confessional (and what is pornography but an idealized redundant confessional of an idea's pith over and over again)
remembered. the public, in court-ship confessionals, is god (very foucault-ish) this is also what is meant by pornography, a record that can be read or viewed over and over again. i bet humbert humbert read his letter many many times. as for the reversals, not only is europe confessing to america, but america, in the aging of lolita (but, in a more silent fashion as well, in the slyness of lolita's youth) , is confessing back to europe. that way, the accusation of decadence levelled against europe, the home vortex of masoch and de sade, the original authors of 'euro-trash', is not undermined but subverted. it is interesting to see that two parallel decadent (paedophile/bourgeios manque/literally minded) europes' lines of descent (to reverse deleuze) ,in greek fashion, were prerequisite. h.h's dislocated europe suffers a coronary thrombosis (heartattack - whether from love or exuberant irony...tantalizing question) and mann's gustav von aschenbach who, in a romantic gesture of melodrama, dies in his act of involuntary voyeurism - a europe dislocated by time and the passing of an age (and the onset of facism). the final sounded note, whether doubling on itself, or exposed in its meloframatic ring, is hubris. i leave now.
no
i do not define. i understand that many use that word here because it is easy, linear and tells u it draws boundaries. i wander, i dont define.
and no the bible is not at all pornographic, there is no real sense of writing there that is aware of its being read (except perhaps in the morality of turning the other cheek...there is a stark element of masochism glossed over)..as in a confessional. part of confessing, per foucault, is the desire it incurs in the person confessing and confessed to. it becomes a record not just of guilt but also of desire. bluntly and more to your way of thinking i put it this way, a sex offender might confess to a court of law his or her acts of perversion but also in retrospect they would love to have a copy of those record documents when in jail so as to masturbate to. this is not just a recorded fact in many cases, it is an archetype present in many films ('one-hour photo' is an asexualized instance of that). i was not being so general, and please don't accuse me of things that are none of my concern..like this defining business.
i wish to chisel this more carefully:
'it becomes a record not just of guilt but also of desire'
i dont mean it simply becomes a record of desire but that in tracking down desire it becomes a tool for further propogation of desire in another guise. hence this deference is fundemantally the shift between occurence and its idealized (Read: redundant) record, between the intuitive event and the pornographically musing representation of it.
When I was in Japan this summer I seriously signed autographs for school girls. They thought I was famous. It was freaking hilarious. We were near Nara and this group of about 6 girls came up to me. There were taking pictures and screaming while I was signing their notebooks. But yeah, school girl skirt=jail bait. It's a good system. It was so strange, when we were in Kyoto, you would go in a video arcade (lots of kids) and come out the back entrance and there would be a porn store. They had softcore in 7-11. Totally strange to US silly Americans.
cellardoor whore: actually I like your messages very much, but you DID write above "this is also what is meant by pornography, a record that can be read or viewed over and over again." Now the bible is a record that can be read (or viewed) over and over again. I was just wondering what you meant by that.
I thought it was quite brilliant to bring in von Aschenbach's obsession with Tadeusz (is that the youth's name?). wish I had done that first.
yes i said but there are a few satellite denotations that i did not neatly package, true but no one here is paying me to package so i do as i please. i do not understand why be pedantic when some sort of payback is naturally precluded (and there is a friend of mine who has a romantic cyber affair with someone across much land and water - i wander what sort of payback they'll get). ok to go back a bit....the bible is not written in a confessional mode, it does not even have to be a person-view point for it to be a confessional. the most marked thing would be, i think, a sort of language that 'expects' to be read , it is written to be revisted over and over again as much as it is a revisiting of what it records...just like porn, the essential drive behind
the writing and the reading is desire to revisit (both revisited porn and revisiting porn). what the bible lacks is not that it des not record, but it lacks an 'expectation' of reading...something much more present, and actually synonymous with, the koran and the torah where reading , essentially out loud, is the creation of the torah and the koran all over again (language here is tricky, not again...it only happens once but every time u read it this once is upon us once(?again?)) . the gospels are light threads weaving through the narrative of jesus, like threads they lead you in and out. sometimes there is a knot, a morality to be deduced. but hardly the compulsive circuitous
nature of porn, of the koran and the bible, and of h.h's letters (where, behind the dick stroking, the real porn sentiment here is, maybe acerbic, irony. always nabakov's)
Springing from a darkened mind
So lovely was the loneliness
In youth's spring, it was my lot
In its stilly melody
An Eden of that dim lake
An Eden of that dim lake
Lone, lone, lonely...
Humbert Humbert
The majority of Japanese women are not into enjo kosai. No more than most American women are porn stars or escorts. It's just that the minority are lionized and exemplified as somehow more 'liberated' or 'independent' than others, by the men who are interested in having such a relationship. Female independence & sexuality isn't signified primarily by women's willingness to be some old man's pet in exchange for a louis vuitton purse.
i thought h.h bore no guilt. or was it covert? or , even more 'perversely', those little possible pockets of apologetic guilt were mabakov's sense of irony in mocking reverse? the man simply parodying guilt in the form of a mock confessional (and what is pornography but an idealized redundant confessional of an idea's pith over and over again)
i thought h.h bore no guilt. or was it covert? or , even more 'perversely', those little possible pockets of apologetic guilt were mabakov's sense of irony in mocking reverse? the man simply parodying guilt in the form of a mock confessional (and what is pornography but an idealized redundant confessional of an idea's pith over and over again)
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Remember that the main text of Lolita is a letter from H.H. to his jury. He dies before trial, and thus the letter can be viewed by the public.
remembered. the public, in court-ship confessionals, is god (very foucault-ish) this is also what is meant by pornography, a record that can be read or viewed over and over again. i bet humbert humbert read his letter many many times. as for the reversals, not only is europe confessing to america, but america, in the aging of lolita (but, in a more silent fashion as well, in the slyness of lolita's youth) , is confessing back to europe. that way, the accusation of decadence levelled against europe, the home vortex of masoch and de sade, the original authors of 'euro-trash', is not undermined but subverted. it is interesting to see that two parallel decadent (paedophile/bourgeios manque/literally minded) europes' lines of descent (to reverse deleuze) ,in greek fashion, were prerequisite. h.h's dislocated europe suffers a coronary thrombosis (heartattack - whether from love or exuberant irony...tantalizing question) and mann's gustav von aschenbach who, in a romantic gesture of melodrama, dies in his act of involuntary voyeurism - a europe dislocated by time and the passing of an age (and the onset of facism). the final sounded note, whether doubling on itself, or exposed in its meloframatic ring, is hubris. i leave now.
by your definition the bible is pornography
no
i do not define. i understand that many use that word here because it is easy, linear and tells u it draws boundaries. i wander, i dont define.
and no the bible is not at all pornographic, there is no real sense of writing there that is aware of its being read (except perhaps in the morality of turning the other cheek...there is a stark element of masochism glossed over)..as in a confessional. part of confessing, per foucault, is the desire it incurs in the person confessing and confessed to. it becomes a record not just of guilt but also of desire. bluntly and more to your way of thinking i put it this way, a sex offender might confess to a court of law his or her acts of perversion but also in retrospect they would love to have a copy of those record documents when in jail so as to masturbate to. this is not just a recorded fact in many cases, it is an archetype present in many films ('one-hour photo' is an asexualized instance of that). i was not being so general, and please don't accuse me of things that are none of my concern..like this defining business.
i wish to chisel this more carefully:
'it becomes a record not just of guilt but also of desire'
i dont mean it simply becomes a record of desire but that in tracking down desire it becomes a tool for further propogation of desire in another guise. hence this deference is fundemantally the shift between occurence and its idealized (Read: redundant) record, between the intuitive event and the pornographically musing representation of it.
When I was in Japan this summer I seriously signed autographs for school girls. They thought I was famous. It was freaking hilarious. We were near Nara and this group of about 6 girls came up to me. There were taking pictures and screaming while I was signing their notebooks. But yeah, school girl skirt=jail bait. It's a good system. It was so strange, when we were in Kyoto, you would go in a video arcade (lots of kids) and come out the back entrance and there would be a porn store. They had softcore in 7-11. Totally strange to US silly Americans.
hasselhoff -you are famous dude.
Oh yeah, I forgot.
wow, creepy. did anyone else notice how much hasselhoff in the pic posted by diabase looks like uncle sam in the pic posted by the prophet?
cellardoor whore: actually I like your messages very much, but you DID write above "this is also what is meant by pornography, a record that can be read or viewed over and over again." Now the bible is a record that can be read (or viewed) over and over again. I was just wondering what you meant by that.
I thought it was quite brilliant to bring in von Aschenbach's obsession with Tadeusz (is that the youth's name?). wish I had done that first.
yes i said but there are a few satellite denotations that i did not neatly package, true but no one here is paying me to package so i do as i please. i do not understand why be pedantic when some sort of payback is naturally precluded (and there is a friend of mine who has a romantic cyber affair with someone across much land and water - i wander what sort of payback they'll get). ok to go back a bit....the bible is not written in a confessional mode, it does not even have to be a person-view point for it to be a confessional. the most marked thing would be, i think, a sort of language that 'expects' to be read , it is written to be revisted over and over again as much as it is a revisiting of what it records...just like porn, the essential drive behind
the writing and the reading is desire to revisit (both revisited porn and revisiting porn). what the bible lacks is not that it des not record, but it lacks an 'expectation' of reading...something much more present, and actually synonymous with, the koran and the torah where reading , essentially out loud, is the creation of the torah and the koran all over again (language here is tricky, not again...it only happens once but every time u read it this once is upon us once(?again?)) . the gospels are light threads weaving through the narrative of jesus, like threads they lead you in and out. sometimes there is a knot, a morality to be deduced. but hardly the compulsive circuitous
nature of porn, of the koran and the bible, and of h.h's letters (where, behind the dick stroking, the real porn sentiment here is, maybe acerbic, irony. always nabakov's)
oh good, there. succinctly revisited and revisiting. it doubles over the signifying itself as it doubles over the signified outside.
that last bible= torah
Springing from a darkened mind
So lovely was the loneliness
In youth's spring, it was my lot
In its stilly melody
An Eden of that dim lake
An Eden of that dim lake
Lone, lone, lonely...
antony she sings edgar allen poe (shiverzzzz)
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