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Advice! Going to US for MArch or starting from BA in Europe!

GinandArchitecTonic

Hey All,

Basically, I decided I want to train to become an architect, and I'd like to find the most efficient way possible, since I already have bachelors degree ( and at a good institution if possible). 

Last year (2019), I graduated from University (UCL) with a degree that was basically liberal arts. I focused mainly on History of Art, Anthropology and Urbanism. I wrote my dissertation on Monuments and Street Art in Post-Socialist cities (supervised by a fellow at the Bartlett). Even though I kind of thought about it in first year that really toppled me over. 

My initial plan was to try to take a Masters in the States where Architecture is a post-graduate degree, however I'm not sure I can realistically afford it. I wanted to know if anyone else went to the US for an MArch after alternative education in Europe, and how they financed this? 

(Alternatively, anybody know the quickest way to do this in Europe?)

My other option is to take another year then start from Bachelors' level in Germany.... 

Ideally I didn't really want to stay in London but it's an option, some have suggested Landscape Architecture to me but I'm not sure I would be satisfied...

 
Jul 9, 20 10:36 am
Non Sequitur

take the cheaper(est) option.  No arch degree is worth +$100K.

Jul 9, 20 10:51 am  · 
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GinandArchitecTonic

Thanks for the advice.

I'm also considering attempting to do the Pre-Masters from Jan - April at the Academy of Architecture in Amsterdam, then starting there. But they have no guarantee if they would take me, and it seems the only place in Europe where you can do that.( an MA w/o BA).

 So I need more options in case.

Jul 9, 20 11:02 am  · 
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TED
Have a look at https://www.kennedytrust.org.uk/display.aspx?id=1849&pid=0&tabId=230 there has been architects awarded -
Jul 9, 20 12:32 pm  · 
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TED
Since the Amsterdam program is 4 years you could get advanced standing at a uk part 1 programme (enter year 2) and then do part 11 (2 years) - Bartlett might allow you to do this is you graduated with a 1st.
Jul 9, 20 12:52 pm  · 
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GinandArchitecTonic

I did graduate with a First! Yes, I didn't know it was possible to enter in Year 2, I'll explore this....always though they'd ask me for an art foundation or similar....

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Jaetten

Go Canada on 3 year M.Arch

Or,

Some UK schools will do direct entry into year 3 of Part 1, there's a 1 year programme for people with relate degrees in London, think it's London met? 

Or,

Go to Sweden, its free for EU/EEA citizens. You may need to to both B.Arch + Arch MSc which would then grant you the Master of Architecture.

Most masters programmes in Sweden are taught in English, however the BA level are often Swedish.

You could also do RIBA Studio at £3k per annum for 7 years, there isn't advanced credit.

I am in the same position as you, however on the Studio route.

Jul 9, 20 1:15 pm  · 
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GinandArchitecTonic

I didn't know it was possible to enter in 3rd year of Part 1, I'm guessing you need a very strong portfolio? Did you just e-mail around to find this out? Thanks so much for the advice - I didn't know about the studio route either!

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TED
I don’t know any uni that you can enter year 3 w/o background in architecture- AA will let you enter but it is a 5 year program and this exception is for international students who have an undergrad ba bs or BArch but not an RIBA part I. Stay away from London met. There are many apprenticeships out there where you work in practice get pain and do not pay any fees. Try Cambridge- new programme starting in fall https://www.arct.cam.ac.uk/courses/postgraduate/mst-architecture-apprenticeship-1 you pay no fees
Jul 9, 20 11:25 pm  · 
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TED

(Sorry Cambridge programme Part II/III only)

I don’t know any uni that you can enter year 3 w/o background in architecture- AA will let you enter but it is a 5 year program and this exception is for international students who have an undergrad ba bs or BArch but not an RIBA part I. Stay away from London met. There are many apprenticeships out there where you work in practice get pain and do not pay any fees. https://www.architecture.com/e... have a look at this new Bartlett programme- https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett... Sara Shafiei is an amazing tutor.

Jul 9, 20 11:35 pm  · 
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Jaetten

I should have clarified. In my reference to 3rd year entry, that was in relation to a student on the same Interior Architecture course that I did. He left after completing year 2 and went direct into 3rd year at I think a Sheffield uni. Its rare that you can, but in an email to the ARB, they confirmed that in exceptional circumstances some Architecture schools will allow this. So in an unrelated field, for previous study, very unlikely.

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GinandArchitecTonic

Oh wow! This Cambridge course looks great, seems like I already need to have Part 1 done however.  Can I ask why you say to stay away from London Met? I'm thinking that maybe a 1 year top-up is a good way to get that BArch paper that would help me become eligible for Masters, I've seen a few in Europe but they are pretty beaurocratic about these things.  Also - Thank you so much for your thorough replies, very much appreciated!  (I know the Bartlett is the best, but I as I did my undergrad there I'm not sure I want to study there anymore. Another issue is I can't get a second loan for as I already have a degree so the money becomes a bit of an issue again.....)

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Jaetten

https://www.londonmet.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/architecture-top-up---ba-hons/ you need to check you are eligible, but i second what TED said, avoid. There are better options

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Jaetten

Architecture is listed on the STEM list, or at least was. You may be eligible for part funding from SFE. Although, reading through comments, Amsterdam looks like a really sound option if you can. If you can get an option that requires no more fees, take it.

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GinandArchitecTonic

Okay, cool. Thanks for your thorough response. Amsterdam would work well, I'd just need to figure out living expenses, and where I'd be able to work after with Dutch Licensure....

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justavisual

With a Dutch license you can work anywhere in the EU...not the UK tho, they will want equivalency and Part III again probably I think.

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randomised

Just go to Amsterdam, once enrolled you'll be working in an office Mon-Thur (9-5ish) and study at Academy in evenings and Fridays and will have 4 years worth of work experience under your belt, or more if you take a little longer ;)

Jul 10, 20 4:18 am  · 
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GinandArchitecTonic

Hi Randomised! Thanks for your response, do you know anyone who has done that w/o an Arch BA btw ?

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randomised

Know at least one guy that did art school, sculpture or something, is now working at UNStudio or MVRDV one of those for years already...remember he did pre-master too.

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justavisual

I agree stick to the Academy in Amsterdam - you can work and study at the same time. And its affordable.

Jul 10, 20 5:23 am  · 
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