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TOEFL FOR COLUMBIA GSAPP

Vins

Hello guys,

Is there anyone here who has waived the English proficiency requirement while applying for the grad school at Columbia? Since it has been mentioned on the GSAAP website that international students who have successfully completed two years of study in an English speaking Institution may waive the TOEFL exam if they are able to submit relevant transcripts, did anyone here carry out their application through this process?

I have written the IELTS and scored an 8.5 and have done all my education  in English speaking institutions. I'm wondering if I will be required to specifically take the TOEFL for Columbia or if I can apply with my transcripts stating the medium of my instruction as English. Because writing the TOEFL would add up to the list of things that i have to complete before applying and would delay my application by a bit. Please do let me know if anyone has any leads. Any help is much appreciated!

Thank you!

 
Nov 30, 19 9:09 am
placebeyondthesplines

8. TOEFL

All applicants whose native language is not English must submit TOEFL scores (with the exception of Introduction to Architecture applicants). At this time there is no minimum TOEFL score required for admission.

International students who have successfully completed two years of study in an English-speaking institution may waive the TOEFL exam requirement provided they can submit relevant transcripts.

Applicants should contact ETS to have official test scores sent to the GSAPP Admissions Office via Institution Code 2164, Dept. Code 12. TOEFL scores are valid for two years after the test date.

We do not accept the TOEFL ITP. We do not accept the IELTS in lieu of the TOEFL.

copied and pasted straight from the GSAPP website. your inability to do a basic internet search suggests that the TOEFL isn't going to be what gets you rejected.



Nov 30, 19 11:41 am
Vins

@placebeyondthesplines I'm aware of this but the TOEFL waiver request form is not available on the website for GSAAP. You have to request the university for one. I have sent an email to them and they are unavailable over the Thanksgiving weekend. I needed to make a quick decision and asked for help. I have already mentioned what i have read on the website, thanks for your quick judgement anyway.

Nov 30, 19 10:25 pm
Non Sequitur

Have you tried calling a real person and asking instead of just posting in an online forum?

RickB-Astoria

Thanksgiving weekend in the U.S.. It can make it difficult to do until Monday.

Non Sequitur

ah, then I guess the OP should have been more proactive and called before a holiday weekend.

Vins

@Non sequitur you don't know what my circumstances are so i don't expect you to understand my situation. Thank you anyway for the feedback! I guess I'll go speak with real people now.

RickB-Astoria

Vins, what legitimate circumstances? It sounds like procrastination until you prove otherwise. The burden of proof rests with you if you expect us to be sympathetic.

5839

GSAPP's applications aren't even due until January, and this person has transcripts that meet the waiver criteria. There doesn't seem to be any procrastination - they're just trying to get clarification on what additional form they need to provide, if any, when they file their application.  At this point they're still more than a month ahead of the due date.

Vins

Hey yes, I have spoken to a friend of mine who attends Columbia. She has mentioned that she has submitted her TOEFL scores because she had to write them anyway for a couple of other universities. She suggested that it is better if I write it. She also tried to find out if anyone else has waived the requirement while applying but had no luck. She was the one who mentioned that there is usually a waiver request form that needs to be submitted during the application and gave me a personal contact from the admissions committee and am waiting to hear back from them. Posting on this online forum is an added effort to find out if anyone else has been in a similar situation. 

Nov 30, 19 11:28 pm
BulgarBlogger

It is truly scary that someone may become licensed as an Architect in the Us without full-proficiency in the English language.

Dec 1, 19 9:44 am
5839

The OP's posts demonstrate strong proficiency. There are plenty of born-and-raised-in-the-USA regulars here who are less competent in their native language. Case in point: the person who thinks that "maybe" is a contraction of "may be", and who doesn't know the difference between "then" and "than".

BulgarBlogger

You can't truly judge that these days because people's care as far as grammar online is expressed as a function of the formality of the forum in which they participate. I would be more careful if I were writing to the president than if I were responding to Rick Balkins. Auto correct doesn't help either, and people's participatoon through smart devices also leaves room for error.

RickB-Astoria

I agree. If BB is responding conversationally to me or anyone here, proofreading and perfect grammar isn't necessary. The prose would be more laid back versus the formality of a formal report. If BB and I were working together on something for a project client, the degree of formality and proofreading and prose would matter a lot more with official documents. The level of formality is not always the same. It is all a matter of context.

5839

I'm not talking about informality. I'm talking about basic understandings of English word meanings. For example Rick, in your case you use "maybe" incorrectly 99% of the time. It's not a casual or "slang" usage - it's used in a way that doesn't mean what you think it means, and makes no sense because it's not even the correct part of speech ("maybe" isn't a contraction, it's an adjective.  You can't use it to replace a verb.).  It's unfair that everybody's ganging up on the OP for lack of English competence and for procrastinating when in fact the people doing the complaining are from here and can't express coherent thoughts in their native language.

RickB-Astoria

For the most part, the only reference you have is discussions on forums like this where there is no time spent spell checking because we are responding quickly like we might in IRC and I do not mean International Residence Code. It is the rapid back and forth pace of chat we have on this forum where time is not spent on perfect grammar. 

I do agree with you on your point. My criticism of the OP has nothing to do with his or her grammar. It has to do with waiting until the last second to contact the individuals he or she needed to contact. Procrastination is still a legitimate criticism unless the OP proves otherwise.

5839

As I said above, GSAPP's application isn't due until January. The OP certainly isn't "waiting until the last second", and I'm not sure why you think he or she owes some sort of proof to you. They just came here wondering whether anyone else happened to have already encountered the same situation while applying, in which case they might not have had to wait until Monday to complete their application, when someone will be in the admissions office to answer the question.

RickB-Astoria

PS: One is an adverb and the other is a verb phrase. When you speak either "maybe" or "may be", they are spoken exactly the same unless you intentionally put a ~1/8th to 1/4th second pause between the words "may" and "be". Who does that slight pause longer between the words "may" and "be" than they do with the two syllable compound word "maybe". I bet no one does that unless they happen to be out of breath and need to catch their breath before going on. Most people are simply reading it out loud and no without checking whether there is a space in their or not because they know the context based on what has already been written prior to the writing. When I am writing on this forum, it is written at a fairly fast pace and I am not doing ANY spell checking unless I happen to catch it. I use this forum at the same pace as I do with instant chat communication where speed of responsiveness is critical.

RickB-Astoria

5839, Yes, the OP is free to not give any answer to waiting until finals week of academic year to contact people about this requirement instead of at the first week or two of the term. If he or she wants sympathy then he or she should have a good reason. The burden of proof rests with him or her. Personally, I do not give a shit if he or she responds.


5839

First of all, it's not finals week. Columbia's semester goes until December 18, and applications aren't even due until January. The OP isn't a current student there - they're applying to grad school. Why would you think that they should have contacted the admissions office during the first or 2nd week of the fall term? Usually the electronic application isn't even out yet that early for the next year.   I'm still not understanding why you think the OP is waiting until the last minute or is in any way looking for sympathy. They already have the required English transcripts - all they're trying to do is find out where to indicate on GSAPP's application that they're selecting the option to waive the TOEFUL (this is confusing, because in GSAPP's FAQ it says this can be done directly in the electronic application, but in the electronic application there's no box to check or option to select for this choice.) They can call the admissions office tomorrow and ask the question, but all they were trying to do was see if somebody here had already gone through the same thing recently and already knew the answer.  Isn't that one of the purposes of this forum?

RickB-Astoria

Close enough. The OP can just contact the admissions office? Why was it not down before Wednesday of last week? Why wasn't it down 1 week ago? Why wasn't it done 2 weeks ago? Why wasn't it done 3 weeks ago? Why wasn't admissions contacted all all in the 5 weeks BEFORE Thanksgiving day? How hard was it to just pick up the phone and dial their number?

RickB-Astoria

8. TOEFL 

All applicants whose native language is not English must submit TOEFL scores (with the exception of Introduction to Architecture applicants). At this time there is no minimum TOEFL score required for admission. International students who have successfully completed two years of study in an English-speaking institution may waive the TOEFL exam requirement provided they can submit relevant transcripts.

Applicants should contact ETS to have official test scores sent to the GSAPP Admissions Office via Institution Code 2164, Dept. Code 12. TOEFL scores are valid for two years after the test date.

We do not accept the TOEFL ITP. We do not accept the IELTS in lieu of the TOEFL.


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They should be included in the uploaded unofficial transcripts and official transcripts submitted as needed. Read below:

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  • 4. Transcripts 
  • An academic transcript/record from each university attended and credit earned is required for all applicants. All transcripts must be received by the application deadline. Applicants should upload a digital copy or scan of their transcript/s to the online application. 
  • We allow digital copies of transcripts for review purposes only.
    Please note that the applicant may upload unofficial transcripts at the start of the application process. Once an applicant has been admitted and has indicated acceptance of our offer of admission, certified and secure online official transcripts must be submitted directly to Columbia from the applicant’s prior institution(s)’ Registrar Office. 
  • Please note that incoming students for the fall 2019 semester will be contacted with specific instructions on electronic submission from prior institution(s) for receipt of these documents. Only if a prior academic institution is unable to submit certified and secure online official transcripts, an official transcript in a sealed envelope must be sent directly from that institution’s Registrar Office to Columbia. Columbia will use its verification vendor to verify the applicant’s degree and transcript with the prior academic institutions and/or the relevant country’s Ministry of Education. Applicants will be asked to consent to participate in this verification process by submitting an authorization and release form.
  • RickB-Astoria

    I'm not deliberately going to walk through the application process to apply when I don't plan to apply to GSAPP at this time. There should be a spot in the application process for uploading transcripts and such.

    RickB-Astoria

    The OP SHOULD contact the admissions department because it looks like it might be problematic from what I can tell of the online form. It might be because they amended the online application system so you can't really just click a box for waiving the TOEFL. Perhaps, it should have that in the application so that it would inform the people to check the transcripts.

    5839

    In the application itself it says that the student can waive the TOEFL. It just doesn't precisely tell the student how to do that. This student has the appropriate transcripts. Their question isn't how to upload those - it's whether they need to fill out some additional form, or send a letter or something, to formally state that it's their intention to waive the TOEFL, or whether the admissions staff will just automatically understand that because they upload transcripts from an institution that teaches in English. As for why they didn't ask 5 weeks ago or whatever: because this is traditional "application season" for M.Arch programs. Most of the universities don't even update their applications to the following year until around the time of the prospective open-houses in November. I don't understand why you're being so harsh toward someone who just came here to ask a question of others who might have applied to the same program. They didn't do anything wrong by asking it when the question arose, as they were trying to complete the application.

    RickB-Astoria

    Fair enough.

    RickB-Astoria

    I was under the impression that such applications would have been out by say.... mid-October considering the school starts their Fall (semester?) in first week of September. Having these out before or by mid-term. This way students attending undergrad studies at Columbia Univ. would have time during the school term to work on their application submissions including portfolios, and submit it before end of term unless they want to keep working on the portfolio during winter break and submit in January by deadline.

    BulgarBlogger

    International relay chat- good times...

    Dec 1, 19 5:11 pm
    RickB-Astoria

    Internet Relay Chat but good enough as it usually is international.

    placebeyondthesplines_

    I don't plan to apply to GSAPP at this time. 


    Oh Balkins, never change. This is the purest form of comedy; imagine being in the GSAPP admissions and seeing whatever this application would be. Goddamn, the thought of this made my whole day. 

    Dec 4, 19 8:26 am
    RickB-Astoria

    I'd hope you would be on that admissions committee or whatever seeing the application. Then I'll be sure to send you "archip0rn".

    placebeyondthesplines_

    well that’s about as creepy a comment as I’d expect.

    RickB-Astoria

    Just for you!

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