rick B and the weekly top 40, I understand your pyschological need to destroy young Jedi's threads, but lets do the abbridged version in threads like Stung is requesting amd then Rick you can have a unabridged thread. So you could make a 25 word comment with a link to your essay in the Balkins Unabbridged. when all said and done will have Orwell write about it................

Can't we just ban Richard? I was really looking forward to this thread but then fuckboi Richard came and wanted to prove his worth with his useless knowledge.

motherfucking Balnkins,

you're doing the same shit again. romanticizing something you have no part in. much like you waxed autistic about blueprints and cyanotypes, you wax retarded about assembly and c64's.

you're an idiot; you couldn't keep up with the world and now you live in your parent's basement plotting to do things you're not skilled enough to accomplish.

10,000 hours, asshole.

Hey, stungbyscorpion!

Unfortunately, I can't give an insight, but I have an idea. Maybe you should try researching ocw by American and European universities like MIT or TU Delft. Usually they provide materials on pretty amazing stuff that is useful at least at school.

Also, try participating in architectural or computational conferences like SmartGeometry or design hackathons. That would not only be a good experience - people there usually discuss practical implementation on modern computational technologies in architecture and design. At least you should visit the SmartGeomertry page, they have some pretty interesting showcases online.

Shifting all your valuable insights from the other thread I made on to this thread.

null pointer (History|Contact) Dec 21, 15 2:21 pm

When in doubt, Python.

If feeling beast, C#.

curtkram (History|Contact) Dec 21, 15 3:45 pm

c++, then c#

:)

if that's too hard, snap or dynamo.  more or less the same thing for a starting point.

note: i don't know anything about dynamo.

Xenakis (History|Contact) Dec 21, 15 4:03 pm

At least learn Python and C#  for both Dynamo and Grasshopper

stungbyscorpion (History|Contact) Dec 22, 15 3:58 am

Thank you all for your comments.

Any advice on how much time would it take for a person who has no prior experience in programming to reach a level where one could start basic programming relating to architecture. (using websites like lyndadotcom)

Olaf Design Ninja_ (History|Contact) Dec 22, 15 7:13 am

language is one thing, another is logic and math. if you are good at the latter maybe a few late night sessions in studio and you can use whichever language as a tool to essentially do some 'form making'.

null pointer (History|Contact) Dec 22, 15 8:25 am

What Olaf said.

Fear of math is what fucks people over when they try to work computational tools/coding into their workflow. Being able to whip out a quick script in RhinoPython when doing interative work pays off really fast - you just have to break away from the "we'll make it work" mindset and try to use math and code to understand a building as it is being designed (from pre-concept to CA).

Olaf Design Ninja_ (History|Contact) Dec 22, 15 10:14 am

and try to use math and code to understand a building as it is being designed (from pre-concept to CA)..........should be your mantra OP if this is the world you are getting into

Rick the OP is talking about applying to graduate programs - he's asking about things he can learn in advance that will better prepare him once he gets there.  Grad school isn't like CAD school - for the most part instruction isn't software- or programming-specific- those are just skills that students bring with them, that are used in the service of their graduate level work.  Most grad school faculty aren't there to teach computer skills, and couldn't care less what tools or language one utilizes.

As for keeping up with the world:  you have to join it in the first place in order to keep up.  When was the last time you interacted in person with someone outside of your house?

Discontinue the use of profanity on this forum. Archinect site owner would appreciate it.

this is dumbest fucking shit i have ever read.  my eyeballs hurt and now i am a dumber person for having read it.

also, if you have some time and want an intro to programming or scripting, i would highly recommend harvard's cs50 from edex.  i got most of the way through it before being distracted by something shiny.  it's free, well paced, and all in all a pretty amazing resource.

I was not taught a single program in grad school.  All programs were self and peer taught.  you may be able to attend seminars and study groups where you can get the basics of Grasshopper, Rhino, etc... but its mostly up to you to learn.

Shut the fuck up Richard W. Balkins.

(I'm going SEO the shit out of every thread you post on).

thank you Stung for trying to bring it back.........there is a project you should look at and work in general Ruy-Klein Architects. look at the PS1 project with knots. Algorithms as instructions/ingredients for creating architecture is a good concept to study while surveying types of programming languages out there.

Tooling is really good.

Really really good.

Also suggest stuff like Programming Interactivity by Joshua Noble or the Nature of Code by Daniel Shiffman (which is open source, btw).

yes yes......the foreword or afterword (can't remember) in Tooled is by Cecil Balmond, his book "informal" is very useful to grasp how architects and creative engineers tackle complex geometry with the assistance of math and programming

another good read that archanonymous recommended was "Projectiles" by Bernard Cache on another thread.......... Although the texts are dated by tech standards, its a really good read for grasping the practical "philosophy" of why you would use programming and scripting to do things in architecture, at least at design to fabrication level. ........... I suggest this because you should also find and figure out how you think about coming from the virtual to the physical via a calculator (essentially) for architecture.................previously i mentioned math over time,this is because thats how I see a formula working out in architecture. I see myself doing step A then step B and so on. Some may see and more appropriately I think to BIM is A relates to B and both are outside of time......... i am most versed in 3dsMax which is really an animation program, so when I do what might appear like Rhino Grasshopper parametrics, what I am actually doing is animating all the variables of "parameters" (modifier stack) to an object over time. in Max there is the "snapshot" command which basically means you can extract individual stills..............now the more appropriate thought process is A to B without time because if you imagine a building with parts that are formed based on parameters such as Zoning, Energy, and Materials what you usually want to find is the most optimmum arrangement................i am suggesting all this to the OP for the following reasons. If one school pushes one program and another school pushes another you should read intro texts to both and then compare to how you imagine a building is designed.

Here I go diving in... I echo the others in saying that Grasshopper is phenomenal, couple that with python and the options are almost infinite (also C# or VB).  There are so many tools for a verity of interests (Kangaroo, Elk, Galapagos, Diva)  and a great community around Grasshopper.  Anytime something comes up in a project, I'm always surprised that there's at least someone else that is attempting to work on something for it.   

I also really enjoy Processing... maybe give Daniel Shiftman's Nature of Coding a try... he's so enthusiastic! Or Funprogramming.  

Oh, and Codecademy was where I started learning the basics of python, js, ect

I guess that brings up the question of what especially are you interested in computation for?

(BUTTTT, I'm no programmer, I'm just an architecture student with an immense interest in utilizing computation in the design process.    I go to one of the schools mentioned way earlier and I haven't been "taught" any of the tools but it provides me with the opportunity to test things out on projects.)   

spatial that was beautiful.

richard read the literature

to date you perform slightly better than a bot.

#OFF TOPIC

RickB-OR, sometimes you have to "sell out" to employers to learn more about the profession and make a living.  There are some employers that I didn't care for (and another one that I loved) but the knowledge that was imparted was HUGELY valuable to my development in architecture/business.  Eventually, I'd like to start my own firm for the "freedom" it would entail but I have a list of places that I want to work before so to draw from their experience and knowledge.       

Dear Richard DUMBFUCK Balkins,

In order to find the problems that need solutions that can be accomplished through coding you need to experience them in practice. I am not going to give up anything to you. I worked my ass off to specialize and later on find solutions. Unless you're willing to pay up, fuck off and stop begging.

hmmm.

It's getting BALLkins in here.

Rikki, it's haute you "know" code, but zebras? Never knew.

BallKINS!!