obviously all you naysayers have never been soaked in the stock market. when the market crashes so will the suspended box. its genius. thank you rem...
Mies van der Rohe architecture is so gay!
"less is more" -- how gay can you get?
Frank Lloyd Wright Architecture is so gay!
and the hat and cape he wore -- how gay can you get?
Le Corbusier architecture is so gay!
promenade architecturale -- how gay can you get?
Trumbauer and Abele architecture is so gay!
gosh is that stuff gay!!!
Koolhaas architecture -- gay! gay! gay!
repeat
Koolhaas architecture -- gay! gay! gay!
Libeskind architecture, that's gay with a beard!
Lebbeus Woods architecture, that crazy mixed-up gay!
Paul Rudolph architecture, well there's a sado-masochist in every crowd.
Look around, you're all gay!
you all seriously believe the built thing willbe the same as some preliminary press release schematic rendering?
and regarding ripping off mies, its not just rem, terry riley just built a dead ringer for one of mies's court houses in miami -- alongside the millions of lesser-is-not-more knock-offs worldwide for the past 60 years...
I have to admit this oma project seems a caricature of the severe diagram (ala very early oma), but as i've intimated here before, anyone whose been to one of rem's better buildings spatially (villa dal ava, kunsthal, bordeaux, educatorium, IIT, seattle, dutch embassy) probably wouldn't make such blanket statements as metamechanic's above ("rem as a designer and builder sucks"), either that or architecture is not an art of space-making for you, but rather, I don't know, what? cool graphics, tectonics, utility? wow exciting! and what's with the kmfdm?
i've said it before here: i always hate oma projects until i hear the argument for them. after understanding what they're after, i usually like more and then understand what to expect from the project. once built, the argument usually trumps the original image.
most people i know didn't get that vibe meta (about rem' buildings i mean). opposite really, especially about meier. personally, i find meier's work a lot like the sooped-up contractor-builder work that is so common in japan; super polished, but not in a good way...like over-produced music....
only seen a few of rem's buildings in person. there were def some issues with detailing...more about maintenance than details perhaps, but the buildings were not aging gracefully. which is a shame.
on the other hand, rem's details are i think quite sophisticated, in spite of the view usually expressed here (that he can't do details, or isn't interested)...there is even a good chance that oma produces more details and spends more time on them than a typical r. meier building...for whatever that is worth. the flipside of new and unusual details is that they don't always work quite as they might be hoped to...
anyway, the building looks alright to me. still a bit preliminary to have a real opinion though. am looking forward to seeing how it gets fleshed out...
...unfortunately, that space in the Haag is pretty much the same space as in Canal + in Paris, or that courthouse on Long Island or the one in Phoenix, or the museum in Beverly Hills, or the museum in Barcelona, or the new one in Rome, or even a bunch of those houses he did...with some variation in scale or perhaps shape. its basically formula by now (and formula based on an earlier formula -- emulating Corb) -- the familiar story of the artist/architect getting older, getting repetitive, and the work getting worse (sadly, the one place Meier tried something a little different, the Getty, is a mess -- actually that church in Rome is different for him too, haven't been there tho).
That's why you gotta hand it to architect's like Fuksas or Ito, they haven't stagnated (yet), and neither have OMA or H&DeM so far, but they might be on the verge, who knows...Anyone seen that new museum in Korea by OMA, driven by their familiar ideas -- the ramp and the void -- but certainly not much like anything else the've done: link
take a look at content..oma hate mies based details that looks non-human and so perfect..dunno remember exacty, one part in the book, they call it a kind of fetish..All im saying thats not a fault, thats just their criteria as not giving so much important to shiny, perfect details..
that is exactly right. it isn't that they don't think about details, and aren't careful about them, just that the basis for judgement is different from what say someone at SOM would be into. for me that is a good thing, for many here def not the case.
on the other hand, when i went to his nexus housing project in fukuoka recently i did notice that some of his 'brutalist-y' detailing was starting to fall apart ad rust. just in parts mind, most of it was fine, and as i mentioned above that may be a matter of lack of maintenance (which most people here do not do), more than detailing per se.
to put in perspective, the first time i went to see fumihiko Maki's work i was expecting perefection cuz the guy is like richard meier or mies, a perfectionist who makes incredibly pristine details that are always held up as models for good construction techniques...and they were just as rusted out as anything by rem. more so in fact.
sometimes what things look like and what they ARE are very different.
architects, being superficial people when you get right down to it, are often put off by rem for what things look like more than what they do...which is why i am still a bit surprised by meta's remark about the kunsthal being a failure spatially. can understand that it may not be the style he is into, but space-wise, it is a masterpiece. lots to learn in that building (i would say detail-wise too, though am sure most here would not agree).
kunsthall is pretty amazing as a spatial puzzle, but i'm not sure how special any of the individual spaces themselves are as spaces. kind of a bunch of differently scaled boxes nested together in a crazy path, but very little interlocking of interior spatial/experiential conditions.
and of all of the work we saw in the netherlands - of various generations - including un studio, mvrdv, mecanoo, van den broek bakema, weeber, arets, neutlings, oud, coenen, robbrecht daem, etc, it was interesting to note that the oma projects seemed to be in the worst condition. could this just be a maintenance issue, then?:
this confused me because i was under the impression that the arch firms themselves in the netherlands did not produce their own cds but that there was another layer of consultant between arch and contractor that produces documents. could have misunderstood...
this didn't make me think less of oma. i'm constantly amazed by the work of rem & co, moreso every time a new project is announced and generally panned only to be celebrated once complete. there is an intelligence at work in each project that doesn't show up very often in a lot of the 'superficial' (jump's word) work that architects do.
"I think it was the Dutch who gave the world 3D-H. Obviously OMA is a little behind the times on that."
No it was Dutch bicycle thives who dictate that if a bike are not locked, then as they don't know the difference between your's and mine , they are in their proven right to steal it. --- Lately a few started a campain against locked bikes and rampaged whatever property the owner tried to protect, Stationary they know, as in this picture it prove it MUST NOT look like the 3D-H invented and promoted by a danish designer for a decade ; they don't know that 3D-H is a structural system offering a new use by computers generating the building structure, they still think 3D-H is a Decor thing, these facts tell something about bicycle thives.
OMA wins in Shenzhen
OMA wins in the design of the Shenzhen Stock Exchange tower. it will be the 2nd biggest project of OMA in china at 250m height after CCTV HQ...
more details:
http://www.dezeen.com/?p=169#more-169
fuck OMA...
j/k
dammson, that's one messed up image you just gave the dutch readers...
I think it was the Dutch who gave the world 3D-H. Obviously OMA is a little behind the times on that.
Is that for real? That thing is... umm... less than fantastic?
3d-h? what is that?
Don't ask.
That's one boring diagram.
the museum plaza that REX took over is a much better gesture into a highrise. with this and the porsche building, could rem be falling off?
i wish OMA would quit ripping off REX...
Still, at least the horizontal volume is now the roof of a public plaza as opposed to the plaza itself.
that's terrible.
wow, they sure are putting together some grand-boring designs
They stole that from me. I designed that building in first year.
obviously all you naysayers have never been soaked in the stock market. when the market crashes so will the suspended box. its genius. thank you rem...
I can see the headlines now...
"200 crushed in stock market crash"
Nice to know that Rem Koolhaas is finally starting to get his work recognized.
How do we know Mr. Rem didn't submit this as a durty joke? It's the people of Shenzhen who must be ridiculed!
i'll give him this..
...at least it will be better than 99.9% of everything else being
built in that city...
..and that's something.
everyone knows 3D-H comes Denmark
read the full press release
http://www.edgargonzalez.com/2006/12/23/oma-a-rotterdam-2/
'broadcast' eh?
a building as a 4-sided digital LED billboard. one of us could've come up with that...er...concept.
Dit zal hun best gebouw niet zijn.
isn't that exactly what the museum plaza did when it was still a oma ny project?
...as seen in the end of the proposal video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9H-qhbIIMyk
This building will feature glass.
terrible design
I'm with FOG lite...
Where's FOG?
realize now that it's pretty different, but for some reason it immediately reminded me of this:
face the fax
Mies van der Rohe architecture is so gay!
"less is more" -- how gay can you get?
Frank Lloyd Wright Architecture is so gay!
and the hat and cape he wore -- how gay can you get?
Le Corbusier architecture is so gay!
promenade architecturale -- how gay can you get?
Trumbauer and Abele architecture is so gay!
gosh is that stuff gay!!!
Koolhaas architecture -- gay! gay! gay!
repeat
Koolhaas architecture -- gay! gay! gay!
Libeskind architecture, that's gay with a beard!
Lebbeus Woods architecture, that crazy mixed-up gay!
Paul Rudolph architecture, well there's a sado-masochist in every crowd.
Look around, you're all gay!
--from: http://www.archinect.com/forum/threads.php?id=17080_0_42_0_C
I belive this stock market project is a collaboration work with Asymptote. They have done interior design of the stock market.
i sense a lot of hate and disgust for rem.... *puzzled*
horrible scheme. but finally shanghai gets an urban sombrero.
isn't the raised portion a replica of an unbuilt mies convention hall?
yes.
rem has built quite a portfolio by just getting built 'unbuilt' mies
projects.
i'm sure mies would be delighted.
you guys buying into this mies explanation?...
is this a way to pack his design with historical meaning?...see i don't know...
you all seriously believe the built thing willbe the same as some preliminary press release schematic rendering?
and regarding ripping off mies, its not just rem, terry riley just built a dead ringer for one of mies's court houses in miami -- alongside the millions of lesser-is-not-more knock-offs worldwide for the past 60 years...
I have to admit this oma project seems a caricature of the severe diagram (ala very early oma), but as i've intimated here before, anyone whose been to one of rem's better buildings spatially (villa dal ava, kunsthal, bordeaux, educatorium, IIT, seattle, dutch embassy) probably wouldn't make such blanket statements as metamechanic's above ("rem as a designer and builder sucks"), either that or architecture is not an art of space-making for you, but rather, I don't know, what? cool graphics, tectonics, utility? wow exciting! and what's with the kmfdm?
i've said it before here: i always hate oma projects until i hear the argument for them. after understanding what they're after, i usually like more and then understand what to expect from the project. once built, the argument usually trumps the original image.
most people i know didn't get that vibe meta (about rem' buildings i mean). opposite really, especially about meier. personally, i find meier's work a lot like the sooped-up contractor-builder work that is so common in japan; super polished, but not in a good way...like over-produced music....
only seen a few of rem's buildings in person. there were def some issues with detailing...more about maintenance than details perhaps, but the buildings were not aging gracefully. which is a shame.
on the other hand, rem's details are i think quite sophisticated, in spite of the view usually expressed here (that he can't do details, or isn't interested)...there is even a good chance that oma produces more details and spends more time on them than a typical r. meier building...for whatever that is worth. the flipside of new and unusual details is that they don't always work quite as they might be hoped to...
anyway, the building looks alright to me. still a bit preliminary to have a real opinion though. am looking forward to seeing how it gets fleshed out...
...unfortunately, that space in the Haag is pretty much the same space as in Canal + in Paris, or that courthouse on Long Island or the one in Phoenix, or the museum in Beverly Hills, or the museum in Barcelona, or the new one in Rome, or even a bunch of those houses he did...with some variation in scale or perhaps shape. its basically formula by now (and formula based on an earlier formula -- emulating Corb) -- the familiar story of the artist/architect getting older, getting repetitive, and the work getting worse (sadly, the one place Meier tried something a little different, the Getty, is a mess -- actually that church in Rome is different for him too, haven't been there tho).
That's why you gotta hand it to architect's like Fuksas or Ito, they haven't stagnated (yet), and neither have OMA or H&DeM so far, but they might be on the verge, who knows...Anyone seen that new museum in Korea by OMA, driven by their familiar ideas -- the ramp and the void -- but certainly not much like anything else the've done:
link
-- actually that should be 'the spiral and the void' in this case more so than the ramp and the void.
take a look at content..oma hate mies based details that looks non-human and so perfect..dunno remember exacty, one part in the book, they call it a kind of fetish..All im saying thats not a fault, thats just their criteria as not giving so much important to shiny, perfect details..
that is exactly right. it isn't that they don't think about details, and aren't careful about them, just that the basis for judgement is different from what say someone at SOM would be into. for me that is a good thing, for many here def not the case.
on the other hand, when i went to his nexus housing project in fukuoka recently i did notice that some of his 'brutalist-y' detailing was starting to fall apart ad rust. just in parts mind, most of it was fine, and as i mentioned above that may be a matter of lack of maintenance (which most people here do not do), more than detailing per se.
to put in perspective, the first time i went to see fumihiko Maki's work i was expecting perefection cuz the guy is like richard meier or mies, a perfectionist who makes incredibly pristine details that are always held up as models for good construction techniques...and they were just as rusted out as anything by rem. more so in fact.
sometimes what things look like and what they ARE are very different.
architects, being superficial people when you get right down to it, are often put off by rem for what things look like more than what they do...which is why i am still a bit surprised by meta's remark about the kunsthal being a failure spatially. can understand that it may not be the style he is into, but space-wise, it is a masterpiece. lots to learn in that building (i would say detail-wise too, though am sure most here would not agree).
kunsthall is pretty amazing as a spatial puzzle, but i'm not sure how special any of the individual spaces themselves are as spaces. kind of a bunch of differently scaled boxes nested together in a crazy path, but very little interlocking of interior spatial/experiential conditions.
and of all of the work we saw in the netherlands - of various generations - including un studio, mvrdv, mecanoo, van den broek bakema, weeber, arets, neutlings, oud, coenen, robbrecht daem, etc, it was interesting to note that the oma projects seemed to be in the worst condition. could this just be a maintenance issue, then?:
this confused me because i was under the impression that the arch firms themselves in the netherlands did not produce their own cds but that there was another layer of consultant between arch and contractor that produces documents. could have misunderstood...
this didn't make me think less of oma. i'm constantly amazed by the work of rem & co, moreso every time a new project is announced and generally panned only to be celebrated once complete. there is an intelligence at work in each project that doesn't show up very often in a lot of the 'superficial' (jump's word) work that architects do.
is that a cak & bolls?
"I think it was the Dutch who gave the world 3D-H. Obviously OMA is a little behind the times on that."
No it was Dutch bicycle thives who dictate that if a bike are not locked, then as they don't know the difference between your's and mine , they are in their proven right to steal it. --- Lately a few started a campain against locked bikes and rampaged whatever property the owner tried to protect, Stationary they know, as in this picture it prove it MUST NOT look like the 3D-H invented and promoted by a danish designer for a decade ; they don't know that 3D-H is a structural system offering a new use by computers generating the building structure, they still think 3D-H is a Decor thing, these facts tell something about bicycle thives.
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