i think that IS why aspect. the simplicity of the work that we see on paper and in models yields a material, spatial, and functional complexity in reality. i never underestimate the skill and effort it takes to keep things in such an essental form: it's hard as hell, and holl is a master at it.
The thing I thought was interesting was the way the glass was drawn as one uninterrupted, undivided light. Does the client really have a budget for this? The piece of glass was HUGE. Otherwise, dividing the light makes for a much different building. This reminds me of Pawson's work.
make, it appears that there are vertical stripes in the model that i assume are mullions.
is there anyone else here who is getting tired of this kind of architecture? it's a box with a bunch of random holes cut out of it. i get it. architects have been doing this for at least 15 years now. as aspect points out, it's been done in countless first-year design studios. i assume there are some really nice views to the water. cool. and it lights up at night like a beacon. cool again, but seriously, is this good architecture?
looking at this model makes me long for the days of stanford white or at least bob venturi.
I know LIC is technically part of Queens. But LIC is a special little low-rise dump with startling low land values and is more or less a neighborhood on the rise.
But Queens and LIC have relatively little in common. One being mostly a collection of residential neighborhoods and the other being an industrial wasteland filled with business hotels and hookers.
Unlike Queens, LIC actually wants to become a real place filled with real people and real businesses.
1. Holl uses the site feature which is water front. That is easiest strategy to make the design work.
2. his shape most of them are simple but strong. I think he just tackle the major problem which is the reading space.
from the model, I read the glazing as channel glass.....Holl adores the stuff and it frequently shows up in his work.... Kiasma, University of Minnesota, Nelson Atkins Museum of Art and the aforementioned Pratt
except both model and interior sketch would suggest that views are a critical part of the thinking.
they also suggest that the big openings are less than random - the big 'twitter logo' and the opening that turns the corner follow the slopes of stair runs, register landings, define the edge of the atrium opening, define (with a simple rectangle extending up from the floor slab) what may be a reception room space at the top, and may do other things that i can't tell. i've never thought of holl as a blob maker: every move seems to have a job.
"I'll bet ten bucks that the proposed elevation will not look like a twitter logo once they involve a knowledgable curtianwall specialist.
I guess you mean the curved alum. window mullion. They are extruded profile. Since it is still 2d curve instead of 3d curve. I don't think it is expensive. But other people might have better sayings.
Those are from his site -- scans originally, I might guess. The white on black one may have been inversed in photoshop, it's normal black on white in his book.
But yeah, I like Holl's old rendering style -- looking at his book (Anchoring), it's surprising how much has changed (with his overall style). There even seem to be some sympathies with pomo, which I never really thought of before.
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Steven Holl library, Queens
could be cool
looks like a guy sitting at a desk or something maybe reading books on his kindlepad idknow
Love it.
yep, that would be pretty nice anywhere. in queens, though, it's kind of a miracle.
his chapel at Seattle University is by far the best building in the city
holl's work in the US is far from 'negligible' - although some of it is rather awful (bellevue art museum)
and didn't he do the storefront for arch? that's in NYC, is it not?
i'm with mdler on the Seattle U chapel being the best building in seattle (though that's not saying much...) - mostly for the details, however.
I see someone gave Steven a scissor and a white shoe box.
Location makes no sense. Outside of a few waterfront condos, there aren't that many people living there (relative to NYC standards).
mdler, that is a friend of mine's fav Holl building..
the Seattle U campus that it is on is such a beautiful campus...one of Seattle's hidden gems for sure
dunno why steven holl is so famous, all his works look like 1st student project?
i think that IS why aspect. the simplicity of the work that we see on paper and in models yields a material, spatial, and functional complexity in reality. i never underestimate the skill and effort it takes to keep things in such an essental form: it's hard as hell, and holl is a master at it.
Yes aspect Steven is correct. I went to his building in Helsinki, good experience, the Pratt building facade had raw a basic but strong detailing.
About damn time, holl does this in nyc.
The thing I thought was interesting was the way the glass was drawn as one uninterrupted, undivided light. Does the client really have a budget for this? The piece of glass was HUGE. Otherwise, dividing the light makes for a much different building. This reminds me of Pawson's work.
make, it appears that there are vertical stripes in the model that i assume are mullions.
is there anyone else here who is getting tired of this kind of architecture? it's a box with a bunch of random holes cut out of it. i get it. architects have been doing this for at least 15 years now. as aspect points out, it's been done in countless first-year design studios. i assume there are some really nice views to the water. cool. and it lights up at night like a beacon. cool again, but seriously, is this good architecture?
looking at this model makes me long for the days of stanford white or at least bob venturi.
Isn't this technically in Long Island City?
I know LIC is technically part of Queens. But LIC is a special little low-rise dump with startling low land values and is more or less a neighborhood on the rise.
But Queens and LIC have relatively little in common. One being mostly a collection of residential neighborhoods and the other being an industrial wasteland filled with business hotels and hookers.
Unlike Queens, LIC actually wants to become a real place filled with real people and real businesses.
1. Holl uses the site feature which is water front. That is easiest strategy to make the design work.
2. his shape most of them are simple but strong. I think he just tackle the major problem which is the reading space.
I like it, but why is it clad in EIFS?
different space concepts by lighting:
shit. why the image is so big?
I'll bet ten bucks that the proposed elevation will not look like a twitter logo once they involve a knowledgable curtianwall specialist.
It just looks too much like a random blob to justify the expense of doing it that way.
steven holl exteriors = generally amazing
steven holl interiors = generally bland :(
from the model, I read the glazing as channel glass.....Holl adores the stuff and it frequently shows up in his work.... Kiasma, University of Minnesota, Nelson Atkins Museum of Art and the aforementioned Pratt
except both model and interior sketch would suggest that views are a critical part of the thinking.
they also suggest that the big openings are less than random - the big 'twitter logo' and the opening that turns the corner follow the slopes of stair runs, register landings, define the edge of the atrium opening, define (with a simple rectangle extending up from the floor slab) what may be a reception room space at the top, and may do other things that i can't tell. i've never thought of holl as a blob maker: every move seems to have a job.
"I'll bet ten bucks that the proposed elevation will not look like a twitter logo once they involve a knowledgable curtianwall specialist.
I guess you mean the curved alum. window mullion. They are extruded profile. Since it is still 2d curve instead of 3d curve. I don't think it is expensive. But other people might have better sayings.
There's something of Holl's Berlin Library project from 1988 in the interior:
zoroaster are those scans? great old school renders.
Those are from his site -- scans originally, I might guess. The white on black one may have been inversed in photoshop, it's normal black on white in his book.
http://www.stevenholl.com/project-detail.php?id=31&search=berlin
But yeah, I like Holl's old rendering style -- looking at his book (Anchoring), it's surprising how much has changed (with his overall style). There even seem to be some sympathies with pomo, which I never really thought of before.
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