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Cooper Union isn't Free anymore!

Apr 23 '13 20 Last Comment
thinkgreen
Apr 23, 13 6:58 pm

What do you guys think about Cooper Union not being free to Undergrad anymore?! It's so central to their identity that I really feel a type of loss about it. Fall 2013 and current students will receive free tuition for the duration but think of the discrepancy that will form between paying and non paying students. I understand times are hard esp with their new building but I feel sorry about it!

read the article here:

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/2013/04/130423-Cooper-Union-to-Charge-Undergrad-Tuition.asp

 

accesskb
Apr 23, 13 8:05 pm

i think its a good way to weed out those who're serious about studies and those who're just attending college and killing time because its free.  However, I totally support students having easy and guaranteed access to education loans to pay for college and lower tuition costs.

design
Apr 23, 13 8:20 pm

So graduate student tuition wasn't enough...

seeasea
Apr 23, 13 8:35 pm

It goes against what their charter stood for.

BenC
Apr 23, 13 9:19 pm

accesskb, I'm surprised. You've usually got pretty on-the-mark comments but you're way off here. CU might very well be the most competitive undergraduate architecture program in North America - poke around the internet to get the full rundown of what prospective students have to send in for their applications. Considering this, do you really think there are students who roll through all of that just to go to the school because they have nothing better to do? Sorry but I just don't see that as a student profile there; I would fully expect that all of the students entering the school are Type A, hard-driven, goal-oriented individuals.

MasonL.
Apr 23, 13 10:01 pm

Have they announced how much they will be charging undergraduates for tuition yet?

accesskb
Apr 23, 13 10:05 pm

haha BenC you're right.. I had European education system in mind when I typed that.  From what I've heard, there is a high rate of drop outs in a free education system and some students take a decade to finish an undergrad. I guess its different in America due to strict and very competitive admission process

Miles JaffeMiles Jaffe
Apr 23, 13 11:06 pm

The NYT reports the cost of Cooper's Mayne debacle at 41 Cooper Square as $177m.

The Board of Trustees should be held personally liable for squandering the endowment and violating the very principles under which Cooper was founded.

All education should be free.

rainykchan
Apr 24, 13 3:44 pm

I would be joining Cooper next Fall and I am truly heartbroken by the news. Let alone the historical and social significance free education posses, one main reason for Cooper being in league with the top architecture schools is the full scholarship they offer. It is unpreventable that next year's application pool would be reduced and student quality may fall as a result. I fear that this may cause Cooper to fall eventually.

Just for your information, the full tuition scholarship I am being offered is around 200 thousand for 5 years, so I guess that means next year's applicants would be paying 20 thousand per year, at most.

citizen
Apr 24, 13 3:47 pm

It was never free.

There were costs.  And they were paid by others, just not the students.

Miles JaffeMiles Jaffe
Apr 24, 13 4:42 pm

^ CU had free tuition, with the cost of supplies and living in (or near) NYC borne by the student.

Education, like health care, should be free. Individuals should not have to pay individually; society as a whole should pay to provide these for everyone. Nobody should be denied either simply because they can't afford it.

citizen
Apr 24, 13 6:33 pm

Again, not free.  Costs shared, spread around, fine.  But things cost money.

boy in a well
Apr 24, 13 7:11 pm

is that one of those clever 'freedom aint free' lines?

its really cool.

citizen
Apr 24, 13 7:15 pm

No, just trying to be accurate.  I'm not saying it's not unfortunate about the tuition situation @ CU ... it is.  I'm just saying it's important to remember, from an economic standpoint, that things cost money, and those costs are borne by someone.  Saying "free to students" is accurate; saying "free" isn't.

boy in a well
Apr 25, 13 12:52 am

oh.

drat.

 

Cuz I wuz hoping it was some kinda 'freedom fries' type thing.

coulda been funny.

boy in a well
Apr 25, 13 12:57 am

Still, its a ridiculous shame that Cooper students will no longer have a FREE education.

Peter Cooper would bitch slap the trustees. with railroad track.

nycdesigns
Apr 26, 13 10:04 am

This is big, but big endowment or not, money doesn't regenerate overnight. Investments do, but then how do the results of those investments keep ahead of increased costs?

Possibly one way to continue education in the spirit of Peter Cooper would be to offer a quota of partial tuition waivers for students who are selected. Partial or full, that's something better than nothing. It's impressive that the school could support (tuition) 918 full time students.

Even at the highest level of accountability, wasn't there talk that the hole Cooper faces, started decades ago? How would you go about collecting heads?

boy in a well
Apr 30, 13 8:20 am

well, it wasn't me looking to take heads, but this is how classy folk do it.

boy in a well
May 6, 13 10:16 am

Bharucha doesn't understand shit about the Cooper Union. Hey Bharucha - see above.

b3tadine[sutures]
Nov 28, 13 8:39 am

http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=964ad2f631fe6f5f4389676d5&id=45d386d663

Things are getting more and more interesting. Those students should never have left their occupation of the administration.

BulgarBlogger
Nov 28, 13 8:55 am


I find it ironic that part of the $177m went into the pockets of architects for the new building... Im sure Thom Mayne doesnt have a problem with sending his kids to college.


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